Hezbollah Forces Collapse of Lebanese Government

[ExUnoDisceOmnes]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/13/world/middleeast/13lebanon.html?hp&emc=na

Opinions on this?

[Nolan]

You can expect a zionist response.

[gorillafuck]

Oh. Wow.

Is this a surprise to the international community?

[ExUnoDisceOmnes]

Oh. Wow.

Is this a surprise to the international community?

From what I've heard, Americans are VERY surprised.

[gorillafuck]

From what I've heard, Americans are VERY surprised.
Of course it would be a surprise to Americans since nothing about Lebanon is ever mentioned in the news. What about surrounding states, the UN?

[freepalestine]

Hezbollah forces Lebanon govt collapse
Published yesterday (updated) 12/01/2011 21:31

.http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=350591








Government Collapse Doesn’t Push Hariri to Return to Beirut…
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12/01/2011 Even the collapse of his government didn’t push the “former Prime Minister” Saad Hariri to return to Beirut…




Hariri, who was in Lebanon for a few hours only since the beginning of the year 2011, chose to continue his “foreign trip” after his first-ever government was toppled in an unprecedented move in Lebanon’s history after eleven ministers, including ten opposition representatives, resigned from it.


Hariri, who started his meeting with US President Barack Obama at the White House as Prime Minister, couldn’t end it with the same status. Indeed, he lost his official title during the meeting, at the end of which he found himself a “former Prime Minister.”


The two men were meeting in the Oval Office at the White House, smiling as they posed for photographers, without making any statements.


Press reports said Hariri cut short his visit to the United States on Wednesday to fly home amid a government crisis. Hariri drove to Dulles international airport immediately after talks with US President Barack Obama at the White House, a Lebanese official in Washington told Reuters news agency. The official said Hariri would likely meet Lebanese President Michel Sleiman on his return home. He added that after meeting Obama, Hariri had telephone conversations with French and Qatari officials, among others.


However, Hariri’s press office said that the former Prime Minister left Washington for Paris where he will meet with French President Nicolas Sarkozy.


The White House had announced Tuesday that Obama would meet Hariri on Wednesday to discuss, among other matters, a UN probe into his father's murder. The US leader would meet with Hariri "to discuss US support for Lebanon's sovereignty, independence, and stability," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said in a statement. "Lebanon is an important partner in US efforts to promote peace, stability, and justice in the Middle East," he added.


In Beirut, meanwhile, Hariri’s bloc and allies found themselves perplexes following the unprecedented collapse of the government. In this context, Labor Minister Butros Harb said that the opposition ministers' resignation from the government has placed Lebanon before a major crisis, adding that its decision "has obstructed matters in Lebanon and further complicated issues."


Harb, who was speaking to reporters following an exceptional meeting for Hariri’s Future movement meeting, claimed that the so-called March 14 forces are open to dialogue to reach the appropriate solution to the crisis. He added that the March 14 forces are awaiting Hariri's return from his trip in order to hold an expanded meeting for the group during which a final position will be made over the recent developments. The minister called on the opposition to assume its responsibilities in not jeopardizing the country's stability, adding that the cabinet will continue its functioning as a caretaker government.
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Jumblatt Says Dark Forces Torpedoed Saudi-Syrian Settlement http://www.almanar.com.lb/NewsSite/WebsiteImages/PicturesFolder/062a7d7d-5790-4588-9eb2-70d9d4f71deb_top.png (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0))
12/01/2011 The head of the Democratic Gathering MP Walid Jumblatt said that what he called the “dark forces” were responsible of torpedoing the Saudi-Syrian efforts aimed at resolving the Lebanese current crisis.




"Yesterday, the dark forces intervened and torpedoed the Saudi-Syrian initiative," Jumblatt told reporters in Bkirki following a meeting with Maronite Patriarch Nasrallah Sfeir.




He said the same "dark forces" responsible for crippling the S-S initiative are responsible for expediting the STL indictment.




Jumblatt expressed belief a “technical conflict” was behind the obstruction of the initiative.

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why they are saying hizbollah have brought the coalition apart is not true.theres 2 blocks and hizbollah are the 3rd largest party in the opposition block.
in my opinion hizbullah didnt kill hariri.

[The Vegan Marxist]

It wasn't just the Hezbollah, but also their allies. Apparently this brought a majority.

[Rafiq]

Actually, remember, the Hezbollah lost the Election in March for Lebanon.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Actually, remember, the Hezbollah lost the Election in March for Lebanon.

They could've gained allies since then.

[Rafiq]

Possibly.

Keep in mind when the media uses the name "Hezbollah" they mean the March 8 alliance.

This is a coalition made up of several party's, not just "Hezbollah and it's friends" like the media sais.

[Turinbaar]

A few months ago Ahmadinejad made a visit to Lebanon and made some fighting speeches at Hezbollah rallies, and when the OP who posted the article here asked of our general opinions, I said that it was probably a meeting to plan a restoration of imperial relations between the fundamentalist forces in Lebanon, Syria, and Iran. I count myself vindicated, and add that this is probably just the beginning. Hezbollah as one of several the imperial proxy forces of Syria and Iran was undoubtedly behind the assassination of anti-syrian forces in Lebanon, including the former prime minister, and has now more or less abandoned any pretense at democratic pluralism. They are now simply leaning on Iran and Syria to provide the means of exacting their will purely by force. I would not be surprised that if the current prime minister (and son of the late-prime minister), Saad Hariri, were to continue to refuse to comply with Hezbollah's demands to denounce the legal findings that implicate Hezbollah in the assassination of his father, he would likely encounter the same fate and no doubt by the same hands.

[Devrim]

Keep in mind when the media uses the name "Hezbollah" they mean the March 8 alliance.

This is a coalition made up of several party's, not just "Hezbollah and it's friends" like the media sais.

It is a coalition of three major parties Hezbollah, Amal and Tayyar Al-Aouni, along with a whole host of small parties.

Devrim

[Rafiq]

It is a coalition of three major parties Hezbollah, Amal and Tayyar Al-Aouni, along with a whole host of small parties.

Devrim

Just out of curiosity, are their any non-Marxist Leninist/Maoist Leftist party's in Lebanon, or even the coalition?

[Devrim]

Just out of curiosity, are their any non-Marxist Leninist/Maoist Leftist party's in Lebanon, or even the coalition?

There are certainly no Maoist/Marxist leninist parties in it. The 'left' parties that it includes are the lebanese Communist Party, and the Tashnag, who have two MPs, and people who know their history of the Russian revolution in depth will recall.

Devrim

[Die Neue Zeit]

Tashnag, who have two MPs, and people who know their history of the Russian revolution in depth will recall

You've lost me. :confused:

[Devrim]

You've lost me. :confused:

Wiki is your friend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tashnag

Devrim

[Rafiq]

There are certainly no Maoist/Marxist leninist parties in it. The 'left' parties that it includes are the lebanese Communist Party, and the Tashnag, who have two MPs, and people who know their history of the Russian revolution in depth will recall.

Devrim

I thought the LCP were Marxist leninist...

What are they

[gorillafuck]

I thought the LCP were Marxist leninist...

What are they
Yeah but there's a difference between Stalinists/Maoists and Eurocommunists, a lot of Marxist-Leninist CP's are Eurocommunists.

[Devrim]

I thought the LCP were Marxist leninist...

What are they

Marxist-Leninist is generally used to mean Maoist, although some people on RevLeft use it differently.

Devrim