Muammar al-Gaddafi

[L.A.P.]

I don't know what to think of this man......

Discuss

[Red Commissar]

Real-life Troll.

[graymouser]

He used to fund Healy's Workers Revolutionary Party in Britain, until he figured out that the WRP didn't have any actual influence. Party members apparently went around for a while with the "Green Book" of Gaddafi's writings like Maoists with the Little Red Book.

Gaddafi is one of the remnants (the other is the Ba'ath Party in Syria) of the attempt to forge some kind of "Arab socialism" or "Islamic socialism" during the mid-20th century. This was an outgrowth of the idea of pan-Arabism which wanted to reunite most of the ethnically Arabic countries that had been divided up by imperialism after World War I. This socialism was always a kind of mixed-economy vision with a large state sector, welfare programs and so on, but never involved the large-scale expropriation of capital or the political rule of the working class.

Damn, this is more like a Learning response than a Chit Chat one.

[Magón]

I love his UN speeches.

[Red Future]

Not sure about him but he is neither an imperialist nor a raving capitalist so i dont have a negative view of him.

[El Rojo]

he is a tinpot dictator who likes to party while his people starve.

although looking at the north african situation, possibly not for much longer

[scarletghoul]

Hes a cool guy from what I know. Not a Marxist but the country has a planned economy with some direct democracy. Its wrong to class Gaddafi as a leftover of the arab socialist movement; Libyan socialism is much more radical than that of Syria and the rest. I hope to visit one day to get a good idea of what its like.

He also gave the IRA a shit load of weapons. They were on the verge of launching a 'tet offensive' type attack on the british forces using all the guns and missiles the libyans gave them, but the final shipload was betrayed. If that hadnt happened the whole course of the troubles could have changed.

Anyway yeah, he's supported international revolution and the libyan system is possibly socialist, so hes on our side imo


he is a tinpot dictator who likes to party while his people starve.
I have never heard this allegation before. Even bourgeois info sources generally agree that Libyans have a good quality of life

[gorillafuck]

he is a tinpot dictator who likes to party while his people starve.

although looking at the north african situation, possibly not for much longer
If I was going to live in a standard dictatorship (i.e. not a "democratic" bourgeois dictatorship), I'd actually probably want to live in Libya.

I don't have a good view of him, though.

[Rafiq]

Real-life Troll.

Doubleplusthanks

[Rafiq]

I love his UN speeches.

:laugh:

I know, remember the time he was reading some UN document and than tossed it behind him like it's garbage.

He basically gets on the podium and starts giving the finger to everyone while saying "Fuck you, oh and fuck you, fuck you too, fuck you also, and fuck you."

[Spawn of Stalin]

Me and Gaddafi are irl bffs. He's a nice dude.

[gorillafuck]

Me and Gaddafi are irl bffs. He's a nice dude.
Me and The Colonel (as we always called him) used to blaze fat and listen to Joy Division on vinyl every friday night.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Are workers exploited in Libya?

[Rafiq]

Are workers exploited in Libya?

Well yes, obviously.

Why wouldn't they be under the gadaffi regime?

[gorillafuck]

Well yes, obviously.

Why wouldn't they be under the gadaffi regime?
I hate the word "regime", it is basically always a description of states that the United States doesn't view favorably.

[Magón]

I hate the word "regime", it is basically always a description of states that the United States doesn't view favorably.

You've been stuck in the US for too long.

[gorillafuck]

probably.

[Rafiq]

I hate the word "regime", it is basically always a description of states that the United States doesn't view favorably.

I can understand what you mean, however I also refer to the American state as a regime.

I can see how that's annoying, being that the media always calls America and it's allies govt 'Administrations' and their enemies 'Regimes'.

[L.A.P.]

So is this guy supposed to be socialist? Is this a man worth supporting for more than just being an anti-imperialist?

[Magón]

So is this guy supposed to be socialist? Is this a man worth supporting for more than just being an anti-imperialist?

Is this a joke? Am I being had right now? Are you seriously asking if you or us should support Colonel Muammar al-Gaddafi? :lol:

(It's just the start of a long and hilarious UN Speech.)
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[Proukunin]

now look at whats going on

[Tablo]

Lol, I'm gonna miss his speeches. :lol:

[Os Cangaceiros]

It's amusing to read the comments on this thread, in light of recent events.

[Q]

It's amusing to read the comments on this thread, in light of recent events.

Aren't they feeling silly right now :cool:

[bcbm]

It's amusing to read the comments on this thread, in light of recent events.

yeah seriously lol

[Proukunin]

thats what im saying, why would some of you say he's a cool guy or you like his policies..but when mass demonstrations come out you hate him??

it seems like you kinda sound like the USA.

[Dimentio]

thats what im saying, why would some of you say he's a cool guy or you like his policies..but when mass demonstrations come out you hate him??

it seems like you kinda sound like the USA.'

Thanks!

Guess it's hip to be square.

[Magón]

I still love his UN Speeches, and there's nothing in this world that anyone can say or do, to not make me like them. They're truly a gem of stupid hilarity. :lol:

[gorillafuck]

I still love his UN Speeches, and there's nothing in this world that anyone can say or do, to not make me like them. They're truly a gem of stupid hilarity. :lol:I actually like his UN speeches. He really pisses off the UN and the western ambassadors, which is awesome to watch since they can't do shit about it.


Anyway yeah, he's supported international revolution and the libyan system is possibly socialist, so hes on our side imoWell.....

[punisa]

Regardless of the recent events, I still enjoy his speeches and will do forevermore :cool:.
His theory is rather good and progressive, but unfortunately his practice is a disaster.

[Toppler]

Regardless of the recent events, I still enjoy his speeches and will do forevermore :cool:.
His theory is rather good and progressive, but unfortunately his practice is a disaster.

Actually I doubt he was so bad until the 1990s-2000s neoliberal reforms and his fall from quirky eccentricity to rambling full-blown insanity.

[L.A.P.]

I'm highly disappointed that he failed so miserably when he at first came off as this radical who would make awesome UN speeches. Oh well, maybe Libya will put in a guy who does the same thing except he's a Socialist.

[Rafiq]

I think the Libyans are trying to topple Gadaffi because of his political dictatorship, ect. However, I highly doubt that they are doing it because of 'lack of economic freedom' or such rubbish.

I am astonished that there are so-called 'Socialists' supporting a reactionary regime like that of Libya. Don't go and tell me 'well it's better than others' because Tbh, that's irrelevant.

He doesn't represent the interests of the working class, and works against them. Even if he does it less than the US, he's still a bourgeois tosspit

[Dimentio]

I think the Libyans are trying to topple Gadaffi because of his political dictatorship, ect. However, I highly doubt that they are doing it because of 'lack of economic freedom' or such rubbish.

I am astonished that there are so-called 'Socialists' supporting a reactionary regime like that of Libya. Don't go and tell me 'well it's better than others' because Tbh, that's irrelevant.

He doesn't represent the interests of the working class, and works against them. Even if he does it less than the US, he's still a bourgeois tosspit

The recent methods to quash the opposition are both excessively cruel and counter-productive.

[Niccolò Rossi]

The recent methods to quash the opposition are both excessively cruel and counter-productive.

What methods to quash the opposition would you prefer?

Nic.

[Dimentio]

What methods to quash the opposition would you prefer?

Nic.

I am not Pro-Qadhafi, and view his fall as a positive event for North Africa.

The thing which shooting randomly at people who might not even be protesting is that it is removing the fig leaf of legitimacy from the regime.

If you don't have the capacity to fuck with the crowd, don't do it.

Violent crackdowns are possible if the ruling class is united and cohesive (China 1989, Iran 2009), and counter-productive if it's split (France 1789, Iran 1979, Soviet Union 1991).

[progressive_lefty]

I can't wait until he falls, what a stupid thug.

[punisa]

At what point did the colonel actually snap?
I know his early pictures showed him in military uniform all the time, when did he actually went nuts and starting dancing around as a king? 1980s?

Also, it seems that these protests are not strictly for economic reasons (like Egypt). People of Libya actually live much better then the rest of the Africa when looking at the official numbers.
Are the numbers reliable?
Cause if you JUST look at the numbers, Libya has being doing pretty good in terms of literacy and last report shows that only 7% of people live in poverty (much less then some European countries).

What are the causes except the lack of freedom of speech that led to this?

[Toppler]

Probably Kaddafi's behaviour and the embarrasment of his country. Plus, his 1990s and 2000s neoliberal reforms. And of course the other Arab revolutions. Note that he had a big group of protestors on his side until he began to shoot people. If he hasn't fell to insanity and alienated his people in the moments of crisis maybe everything would've been ok.

[Toppler]

I think the Libyans are trying to topple Gadaffi because of his political dictatorship, ect. However, I highly doubt that they are doing it because of 'lack of economic freedom' or such rubbish.

That's what I think too.

[Mather]

I think Queen should dedicate this song to Qaddafi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkT5dVJsnYk

[Toppler]

This song fits to the entire Arab world revolutions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9r8LMU9bQ

[Red Bayonet]

Crude combination of Bozo the Clown, and Benito Mussolini.