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Volcanicity
12th January 2011, 12:23
Has anyone here read Marx's book "Herr Vogt" and is it available to read online?I've tried Marxists.org but I can't find it.Basically it was written in 1860 in response to a book written by a Karl Vogt who was a professor at Berne University.What happened was that a friend of Marx's the jounalist Karl Blind had anonymously written for a paper a piece accusing Vogt of recieving secret payments by Napoleon III.Vogt thought that Marx had written it and took the paper to court where the case was eventually dismissed on a technicality with neither side winning.Not long after this Vogt wrote a book accusing Marx of being an admirer of the Aristocracy and of cadging money from the working class,this then resulted in Marx writing "Herr Vogt" in which he called Vogt a buffoon and a skunk among other things.At the time Engels told Marx that he thought it to be" the best polemical work you have ever written".Obviously the book does'nt have any bearing on Marxism and will have limited appeal It's just something I'd personally like to read and know more of.
Rosa Lichtenstein
12th January 2011, 12:59
The Marxist Internet Archive has refused to put it on-line since it is of such poor quality.
Why on earth do you want to read it?
You'd be far better occuppied reading the back of bus tickets.
ZeroNowhere
12th January 2011, 13:09
There's a good article about it by Andrew Kliman here (http://www.marxisthumanistinitiative.org/philosophy-organization/marxs-struggle-against-defamation.html), giving information about it.
scarletghoul
12th January 2011, 14:33
This sounds hilarious, is it really just Marx insulting him for an entire book ? and engels is like "best polemic ever"
I want to read it from curiosity
Rooster
12th January 2011, 14:50
Edit: that's in German.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=d0M6AAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=marx+herr+vogt&source=bl&ots=27dEt2RWby&sig=8JQ0KimpIRkHpix3CDvfQm4UmuE&hl=en&ei=Mb8tTejbFNyShAe2453SCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false
This is also in German
http://www.mlwerke.de/me/me14/me14_381.htm
But, you can fire it through google translate or something. I don't know how the results of that would turn out.
google language tools: http://www.google.co.uk/language_tools
Rosa Lichtenstein
12th January 2011, 15:16
Z:
There's a good article about it by Andrew Kliman here, giving information about it.
Thanks for that, and Kliman tries hard to defend Marx, but he failed to point out that Herr Vogt stretches across over 300 pages in the Collected Works (Volume 17), and is well over 120,000 words long. There is no good reason for this. Who on earth was going to plough through all that? His enemies? Certainly not. His friends? Why should they? They believed Marx from the get-go. Neutral by-standers? What did they care?
If Marx wanted to defend his reputation in a way that would have been read, he should have written a pamphlet, not this long and tedious diatribe -- which, because of its length and mind-numbingly boring style, will only have been read by revolutionary trainspotters.
I am even prepared to bet Kliman hasn't read it.
Much as I am an admirer of Marx, this work should never have been written.
Rosa Lichtenstein
12th January 2011, 15:19
Scarlet:
I want to read it from curiosity
You'll need a lorry load of uppers to stay awake.
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