Soviet Dedication

[Voiceless]

Hey guys,

I just wanted to know how the soviets were able to get the people in such states, where they were willing to give their lives for the country, despite shit falling down around them, the people would still give everything for the USSR.

This heightened state of patriotism, is crucial in finally turning around the world for the better. Its like the USSR had some sort of aura around them, which just enthralled outsiders who studied it, and made proud its inhabitants. WHen you see that propaganda, you get such a feeling of revolutionary-ness.

Yeah, how do you get that feeling/devotion?

[Savage]

It's important that you maintain internationalism, not nationalism.

[Geiseric]

A nation is a made up community. It's an idea used by a state to divide the proletariat and to create inequality among races imho, so i'm not a fan of it. Black Nationalism and Ukranian nationalism, the nationalism for self determination I fully support though. However when the state uses nationalism in it's politics, bad things are bound to happen. Many people in the U.S.S.R. Were forced to be in the military or work camp as well, so it was usually a case of 1984 style brainwashing or a fight or die mentality, with the two types of soldier divided by divisions.

[Savage]

A nation is a made up community. It's an idea used by a state to divide the proletariat and to create inequality among races imho, so i'm not a fan of it. Black Nationalism and Ukranian nationalism, the nationalism for self determination I fully support though. However when the state uses nationalism in it's politics, bad things are bound to happen. Many people in the U.S.S.R. Were forced to be in the military or work camp as well, so it was usually a case of 1984 style brainwashing or a fight or die mentality, with the two types of soldier divided by divisions.
Nationalism is an inherently bad thing, It is an enemy of the proletariat, not something that can be utilized for 'self determination' nor anything else that leads to proletarian revolution and democracy.

[Voiceless]

Nationalism is an inherently bad thing, It is an enemy of the proletariat, not something that can be utilized for 'self determination' nor anything else that leads to proletarian revolution and democracy.

How?

[Savage]

Nationalism is a rightist phenomenon, it's conservative nature seeks to maintain the entity of the nation and of the state, the division of the world for the benefit of the rule of capital. Regardless of what you consider the role of the state to be in the transition into Communism/Anarchy/Whatever, a leftist must be an internationalist, for this is something that the proletarian revolution requires if it is to overcome the bourgeois state.

[#FF0000]

This heightened state of patriotism, is crucial in finally turning around the world for the better. Its like the USSR had some sort of aura around them, which just enthralled outsiders who studied it, and made proud its inhabitants. WHen you see that propaganda, you get such a feeling of revolutionary-ness.

Yeah, how do you get that feeling/devotion?

People fall for propaganda and bullshit sometimes. Who knows.


How?

Because nations are divisive and arbitrary things that take people with diametrically opposed class interests and bundle workers in together with their bosses because they both live in a place where a certain kind of music or food is popular. It's a silly thing.

[ComradeOm]

I just wanted to know how the soviets were able to get the people in such states, where they were willing to give their lives for the country, despite shit falling down around them, the people would still give everything for the USSRThis was not because people all over Europe suddenly became Great Russian nationalists. The USSR, much like Revolutionary France before it, was perceived as the home of 'the revolution', an illusion that lingers in some quarters today. The immense dedication of the Communists* was the result of a sincere belief that Moscow was indeed spearheading the world revolution. Unfortunately this concern was rarely returned and, more disturbingly, often translated into blind obedience

*And this should not be dismissed out of hand. There is truth to the stories of Italian Communists in Fascist Italy carefully saving up their party dues for when the Party could return to the country; Communists in German concentration camps paying their dues in cigarettes; and the French Communists who often drove themselves to destruction when the Party demanded unrelenting campaigns against the German occupiers

[Voiceless]

Thanks heaps guys!!!

So now the question is, how to get people to stop watching tv and do something?

Im an Australian with Pakistani heritage, so I know this world. The shit which goes on there and here. Seriously, gruesome shit happens in places you've never heard of. I want to just go to some hellhole and fix it, not just bring in temporary revolutionaries who will just further destabilize the country after raising the peoples hopes. Though, im not capable of doing these things.

How fed up must the people get, before realising they gotta do shit themselves. Not protesting, not rioting, actually spreading messages.

And if a peaceful turnover is denied by the retards in power, then a violent is inevitable.

[#FF0000]

Thanks heaps guys!!!

So now the question is, how to get people to stop watching tv and do something?

You can't. Class struggle has its high points and low points. Communists and "revolutionaries" can't create struggle.


And if a peaceful turnover is denied by the retards in power, then a violent is inevitable.

Words like "retard" aren't allowed around here for future reference.

[Voiceless]

Kay,

[Rafiq]

Thanks heaps guys!!!

So now the question is, how to get people to stop watching tv and do something?

Im an Australian with Pakistani heritage, so I know this world. The shit which goes on there and here. Seriously, gruesome shit happens in places you've never heard of. I want to just go to some hellhole and fix it, not just bring in temporary revolutionaries who will just further destabilize the country after raising the peoples hopes. Though, im not capable of doing these things.

How fed up must the people get, before realising they gotta do shit themselves. Not protesting, not rioting, actually spreading messages.

And if a peaceful turnover is denied by the retards in power, then a violent is inevitable.

Those 'temporary revolutionaries" such as Mao, and Lenin (Whom I politically oppose) brought up living standards in their countries way more than you could imagine.

Take a look at China pre 1949 or Russia pre 1918.

That's a stupid assumption, and you should feel stupid for assuming it.

[#FF0000]

That's a stupid assumption, and you should feel stupid for assuming it.

You're gonna feel pretty stupid when you get an infraction for flaming.

[Os Cangaceiros]

What made some groups of Japanese soldiers/civilians commit suicide en masse rather than be captured during WW2?

What makes a U.S. Marine jump unto a grenade?

What makes a young person strap on a bomb vest and blow up a crowded market?

Etc.

[gorillafuck]

This heightened state of patriotism, is crucial in finally turning around the world for the better.
Why?

[Geiseric]

Black Nationalism or Ukrainian Nationalism is basically stating that they need to fight, unified as a race against an opressive system that targets them, as a race. This isn't Black Superiority, it's a human rights fight. Basically looking for self determination, that kind of nationalism made many activists into socialists and radicals, such as Malcolm X in his last year. Basically, the nationalism that digs a race out of it's social ditch that it's in is good imho, but anything more is dangerous.

[Triple A]

Black Nationalism or Ukrainian Nationalism is basically stating that they need to fight, unified as a race against an opressive system that targets them, as a race. This isn't Black Superiority, it's a human rights fight. Basically looking for self determination, that kind of nationalism made many activists into socialists and radicals, such as Malcolm X in his last year. Basically, the nationalism that digs a race out of it's social ditch that it's in is good imho, but anything more is dangerous.

Dangerous road there. You are opening a path for white nationalism and therefore fascism.

[Geiseric]

i'm talking about opressed minorities pulling togather and getting equal rights, how is that related to white nationalism, where whites are the majority in the U.S. And have always, in terms of race, been in charge? Obviously i'd perfer a class struggle, but i'm talking about a race which is a lower class then other races gaining the level of prestige that others have, ie being equal.