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Saint-Just
28th August 2003, 12:51
This shouldn’t necessarily go in Politics. However, when elijahcraig made a post on Frida in chit-chat it quickly turned into a Stalin debate.

Anyway, I’ll would never say ‘Goodbye Lenin’. What I am talking about here is the film which recently came out in my country – Great Britain. It is actually a German film and as such I should not imagine it will be widely available in the U.S.

So, who has seen it and what did they think?
If you are not sure about seeing it reading this may be interesting. I will keep my account brief and slightly uninteresting as to give away as little of the plot as possible.

This film is about a family living in the German Democratic Republic (DDR) right before and after the Berlin Wall fell. Before it falls the film gives a small view of what it was like to live in the DDR using a old footage from the country on occasion.

The film concerns the son of a communist mother, who after his mother awakes from a coma after the wall has fallen, trying to not reveal that the wall has fell and that they still live in the DDR that she loved so much.

The film is partly comedy and partly drama. It is undeniably funny but at the same time fairly serious.

Since it is a western film you may imagine it would be very much anti-communist. But in summation I found it to be baring on pro-communist despite a few humerous jabs it made on socialism.

My primary reason for it being pro-communist is that one of the main character’s, the mother, to any western viewer is a pleasant and humane character that many could do some to identify with. This being so, she also has a great passion for socialism and her country, the DDR. It seems to put a common, human face on socialism often made out to be ruthless and oppressive by the western media. In addition to this at some points in the film socialist ideology and the aims of socialism are referred to in a positive way.

It also attacks capitalism, for example, the daughter of the socialist mother who has to drop out of college where she studied economic theory to work at Burger King. Or the DDR teacher who is no longer wanted in the new Germany and turns to alcoholism.

The film also does extremely well to glorify the achievements of the Soviet space program.

Socialism and the DDR seemed to inspire much into these people. Not just the mother who at the start of the film is rehabilited from the tragic loss of her husband within only 8 weeks to become a model socialist citizen. But also the son, who despite being in a protest against the DDR right before the wall fell comes to constantly refer to the DDR as: ‘Our socialist fatherland’ and another line that I won’t give away since it compromises the plot.

Overall I thought it was an excellent film and worth seeing for everyone.

Edelweiss
28th August 2003, 13:16
hehe, this movie was really successfull in Germany, one of the most visited German movies within the last years actually. I haven't seen it yet, but what it did was turning the whole country into a big DDR nostalgic wave. There are "DDR entertainment shows" on nearly every corporate and public TV chanel now, where they talk about the live in the DDR, and where they are showing who the live was in a very positive way. Still don't know if that is a godd development, or not...

FistFullOfSteel
28th August 2003, 15:41
can u guys send me some info about this movie :) ?

Deniz Gezmis
28th August 2003, 16:03
Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 03:41 PM
can u guys send me some info about this movie :) ?
http://www.thezreview.co.uk/comingsoon/g/g...oodbyelenin.htm (http://www.thezreview.co.uk/comingsoon/g/goodbyelenin.htm)

commie kg
28th August 2003, 17:54
I watched it here in the US, it is currently being run on IFC (Independent Film Channel).

I thought it was pretty good.

Saint-Just
28th August 2003, 18:01
Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 01:16 PM
hehe, this movie was really successfull in Germany, one of the most visited German movies within the last years actually. I haven't seen it yet, but what it did was turning the whole country into a big DDR nostalgic wave. There are "DDR entertainment shows" on nearly every corporate and public TV chanel now, where they talk about the live in the DDR, and where they are showing who the live was in a very positive way. Still don't know if that is a godd development, or not...
Thats interesting Malte. I did not know it had become so popular. It was Winner of Best European Film at the 2003 Berlin Film Festival, so it has critical acclaim.

I am wondering whether the director was from East Germany. If he is he must have been quote pro-Communist at the time.

I watched it here in the US, it is currently being run on IFC (Independent Film Channel).

In the U.S. they do not seem so interested in foreign films and I would think a film that has such kind words for the DDR would find it difficult in the U.S.

praxis1966
28th August 2003, 22:25
Not necessarily. Just the other day I sat and watched a documentary filmed in 1980s Russia. The whole thing was a bunch of Russian proletariat singing (quite literally in some places) the praises of Vladimir Lenin. It was on Ovation, which is sort of a higher brow version of A&E.

kadamangudy
30th August 2003, 02:06
A great sequel would be 'Hello Stalin.' :)

Ian
30th August 2003, 02:46
There's an Australian film I want to see called 'Children of the Revolution', it's about a member of the Communist Party of Australia who is sent in a delegation to Moscow in the early 1950's where she meets her hero Joe Stalin, after they have sex, which is the logical outcome of meeting your hero, Stalin dies and she turns out to be pregnant. She returns to Australia and stuff happens I think, I dunno :)

The Tagline is pretty good; "When your father isn't an ordinary Joe"

Edelweiss
1st September 2003, 21:44
Originally posted by Chairman Mao+Aug 28 2003, 08:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chairman Mao @ Aug 28 2003, 08:01 PM)
[email protected] 28 2003, 01:16 PM
hehe, this movie was really successfull in Germany, one of the most visited German movies within the last years actually. I haven&#39;t seen it yet, but what it did was turning the whole country into a big DDR nostalgic wave. There are "DDR entertainment shows" on nearly every corporate and public TV chanel now, where they talk about the live in the DDR, and where they are showing who the live was in a very positive way. Still don&#39;t know if that is a godd development, or not...
Thats interesting Malte. I did not know it had become so popular. It was Winner of Best European Film at the 2003 Berlin Film Festival, so it has critical acclaim.

I am wondering whether the director was from East Germany. If he is he must have been quote pro-Communist at the time.

I watched it here in the US, it is currently being run on IFC (Independent Film Channel).

In the U.S. they do not seem so interested in foreign films and I would think a film that has such kind words for the DDR would find it difficult in the U.S. [/b]
I think it is important to stress here that this is not an independent made film, it&#39;s made within the commercial film industry, produced to make money, not to spread some political message about the greatnes of the DDR. Nor the script, the director or the producer is from the former DDR.

ernestolynch
1st September 2003, 22:21
Have you seen it Malte? I have, a month or so ago, and apart from the crime of being a tad too long, it&#39;s a pretty good film. It kept all the Hollywood blockbusters off the number 1 spot in Germany for months.

Saint-Just
2nd September 2003, 13:37
Thats a good point Malte. The film is hardly going to cause a revolution, however it seemed unusually pro-communist to me. The fact that it is not an independently made film makes this seem even more curious. Although a lot of the interest of the film lies in the realistic portrayal of DDR life and realistic feelings of a few people who could have lived there.

I agree that it is quite long ernestolynch. Some of the best moments come in the latter part of the film however.

RED FIRE
5th September 2003, 13:54
I can&#39;t wait till it appears in Australia,Although it will be most likely be awhile,on sbs

Latinoamericana
5th September 2003, 21:09
It was actually the most successful german movie of all times ( in Germany ). I´ve watched it. It´s really a great movie and there are no anti communism statements in it. It´s actually really sad and also funny. This is weird but I liked it very much&#33;

Yevgraf
6th September 2003, 19:24
Does anyone know if this film is still showing in British cinemas?
If not, is it coming out on video or DVD soon?

Hate Is Art
7th September 2003, 09:49
its not showing any more, finished a couple of weeks ago, itll probably be out to rent soon enough.

FistFullOfSteel
7th September 2003, 09:52
is the movie good?

CubanFox
7th September 2003, 10:59
Will it be exported to Australia?

RED FIRE
8th September 2003, 03:12
"Children of the revolution" is a great movie,personally.