Have you seen these pictures of spheres around the sun?

[Amphictyonis]

Bullshit or no bullshit? You be the judge.Suppose to be in the suns corona.

http://www.examiner.com/breakthrough-energy-in-national/earth-sized-spheres-vicinity-of-sun

[Tablo]

I'm not convinced. There seems to be a rise in the dooms day prophesying more recently.

[Amphictyonis]

I'm not convinced. There seems to be a rise in the dooms day prophesying more recently.

NASA did take the pictures down. I checked. I'm not sure what to think just yet with so much bullshit online. They also removed the video from youtube. My money is on some sort of hoax but am willing to keep an open mind.

[Tablo]

It probably isn't anything, but it is suspicious for NASA to have taken the images down. No clue what any of it could possibly be.

[FreeFocus]

I don't think it's anything, but I desperately await something interesting happening as it relates to discovering life or phenomena in space.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

All I can say is, there is no reason for NASA to suppress this. "There's something freaky going on with the Sun, here's the evidence" is a good way to get increased funding, especially as solar activity has implications for Earth.

In any case, why hasn't anyone else seen them?

[x371322]

Well, the guy from NASA in the article you linked to calls it a technical glitch.


NASA spokesman, Bernhard Fleck, Ph.D., ESA and SOHO Project Scientist, gives a much less titillating explanation. In phone interview with Linda Moulton Howe of Earthfiles.com (http://www.earthfiles.com/) on January 26, 2010 he said:
"Cosmic rays leave white dots or short trails in our SOHO images all the time, even though we have software that is supposed to help clean up the images. Cosmic rays are high energy particles from the solar wind, and from the galaxy as a whole, that whip around the SOHO spacecraft and interact with the detectors. These produce spots and streaks on the detector ranging from a single pixel, to large streaks that span a large fraction of the image. These are most evident during a solar storm, but are always present at some level. The software which puts the images up on the web will fill in these blocks from the last good image, and if there's a cosmic ray in that block from the previous image, it will appear in this image as well. The way to check for this is to look at the raw data files, which are also available on the web through the SOHO catalog interface (http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/)."
Unless I'm misreading that, it sounds like case closed.

[Amphictyonis]

Well, the guy from NASA in the article you linked to calls it a technical glitch.

Unless I'm misreading that, it sounds like case closed.

Trusting NASA is akin to trusting the department of defense. :)

[Magón]

There's only one reasonably logical explanation on why YouTube took the video down, and NASA took the pictures down...



ALIENS! :cursing:


As fore a serious answer, I dunno yet, probably nothing serious, and it's just some sort of space junk or rock?

[#FF0000]

Official story: compression artifacts.

My take: Probably.

[Widerstand]

There's only one reasonably logical explanation on why YouTube took the video down, and NASA took the pictures down...



ALIENS! :cursing:


As fore a serious answer, I dunno yet, probably nothing serious, and it's just some sort of space junk or rock?

Yes, there's one logical explanation why NASA took the images down:


As I poked around, it became apparent that the SOHO portion of the NASA website is presently down and is likely to be recovered soon; and these particular images have not been targeted. No suppression going on here, just a technical glitch -- like the spheres on the images?

[Magón]

Yes, there's one logical explanation why NASA took the images down:

Aliens/Government cover up is still a better explanation. :D

[The Vegan Marxist]

Trusting NASA is akin to trusting the department of defense. :)

:confused:

Yeah, because NASA is waging wars against democratic govt's. :rolleyes:

[Q]

:confused:

Yeah, because NASA is waging wars against democratic govt's. :rolleyes:

Amphictyonis was merely pointing out the obvious fact that:
1. NASA gets funds from the US government
2. NASA and the Pentagon have a very long history of collaborating closely together

[x371322]

Obviously "aliens" serves for a much sexier explanation (and one I'd personally love to be true). But I'd put my money on this being something much less exciting.

[Ele'ill]

The great solar duivel is blowing bubbles from her fiery bath.

[∞]

If that was a planet made of "space-rock", it would melt immediately. So no.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

If that was a planet made of "space-rock", it would melt immediately. So no.

Actually, I'm not so sure that would be the case. Sure, coronal plasma has a temperature in millions of degrees, but it's also extremely tenuous, so there's not much opportunity for heat transfer.

I can think of a more likely reason to rule out such episolar planets:

Atmospheric drag. Any objects orbiting close enough to the Sun to be in the corona would have been slowed down and swallowed by the Sun millions if not billions of years ago.

[Amphictyonis]

The use of the word UFO is silly but I guess if these aren't some photographic anomaly they would indeed be unidentified flying objects ;)

dbxJx3DvOkU

If they are real they'd be huge, the size of earth. I hate how anything unexplained goes right into the "aliens" category. The photo anomaly/compression explanation was somewhat confusing to me. Can some one explain that in layman terms?

[∞]

Noxion explained it.

[Amphictyonis]

Noxion explained it.

NASA's explanation



What you're seeing are compression artifacts, highly magnified. We have to
compress the images digitally in order to keep a good rate of taking them and still
be able to telemeter them back (across an increasing distance, which weakens the
signal and limits how much data we can send per unit time) to earth. The images
you are looking at in the video are "space weather beacon mode" images that are
telemetered down nearly continuously:

http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/beacon/beacon_coverage.shtml

in near-realtime, and are both binned (undersampled spatially, down to 512 x 512
pixels) and heavily, lossily compressed digitally onboard (analogous to the various
JPEG compression settings on a digital camera, but much more severe). Then
they're made available on the Website in a variety of magnifications or "upresings"
which only magnify the artifacts. Usually, by now (that is, three days or more after
the data were obtained), we'd have the full-resolution (2048 x 2048 pixel) images,
which are much less heavily, but still lossily, compressed, and are played back to
a Deep Space Network (DSN) ground station via the high-gain antenna on one of
the STEREO spacecraft. Unfortunately, a piece of ground hardware at DSN failed,
and we're only now catching up on the full-resolution data from January 18 onward
--- except the lower-resolution (512 x 512) beacon mode data. People first started
seeing the odd images around that date, when there was a moderate solar
energetic particle event, but those up-resed images have now been replaced on
the SSC Website with the full resolution ones. DSN has caught us up to January
20, the last time I checked.

The compression artifacts are particularly obvious when a particle (cosmic ray or
solar energetic, charged particle) hits the CCD detector on the spacecraft
head-on. (Grazing hits show up as bright streaks.) The compression scheme has
a hard time mathematically representing sharp, single- or few-pixel features, and
you get a characteristic pattern of a bright dot in the middle of a compression
block (a subsection of the image) surrounded by a pattern of dark dots.

[∞]

The pic didn't come out in full resolution, because some photo hardware failed. It came out in worse and blurry pixels. Now they fixed it and put up a high res. pic.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The use of the word UFO is silly but I guess if these aren't some photographic anomaly they would indeed be unidentified flying objects ;)

dbxJx3DvOkU

I'm sorry, but that video is absolutely typical of UFO nonsense - zoom in to some anomalous speck or imperfection and instantly declare "UFO! UFO!" without any further evidence, and no elimination or even discussion of the alternatives either.


If they are real they'd be huge, the size of earth. I hate how anything unexplained goes right into the "aliens" category. The photo anomaly/compression explanation was somewhat confusing to me. Can some one explain that in layman terms?

How is it confusing? Very energetic things happen in space, and that's bound to have some affect on any equipment we send up there, even with protection.

[Rooster]

The photo anomaly/compression explanation was somewhat confusing to me. Can some one explain that in layman terms?

It's like having a roll of film being exposed to radiation. You get little specks of white here and there. Then imagine scanning that photograph into a computer, shrinking it down and then sending it across the internet and then opening it up, and making the image larger again. It'll get all pixelated, the white specks won't be as recognisable as radiation leakage, and the area around the specks will take on a more solid look because of pixelation.

Something like that. Except not with film.

[∞]

It doesn't take a Sagan to figure out its fake.

[Amphictyonis]

I'm sorry, but that video is absolutely typical of UFO nonsense - zoom in to some anomalous speck or imperfection and instantly declare "UFO! UFO!" without any further evidence, and no elimination or even discussion of the alternatives either.



How is it confusing? Very energetic things happen in space, and that's bound to have some affect on any equipment we send up there, even with protection.


The use of the word UFO is silly


I hate how anything unexplained goes right into the "aliens" category:)

[TheCagedLion]

NASA's explanation

So you're telling me this isn't the end times?

Aw damn!

Worst part is, conspiracy nuts will go completely nuts over this...

[Dr Mindbender]

...then theres the outside possibility that these are actually alien spacecraft.

Just sayin, its not the craziest theory.

[Amphictyonis]

So you're telling me this isn't the end times?

Aw damn!

Worst part is, conspiracy nuts will go completely nuts over this...

Dead birds aren't a sign of the end times it's just god angry because don't ask don't tell was repealed. Didn't you get the memo? But seriously, I didnt post this with the intent of debating aliens I thought it could be some sort of natural phenomenon- I just thought it strange that NASA took the pictures down is all. There's plenty of earth based solar telescopes that could see these things so I'm sure it would be big news if the objects were actually there. I guess I'm desperate for some sort of exciting news from space. I have an amateur interest in astronomy and astrobiology. I'm really excited for the upcoming launch of the James Webb telescope in 2015. We're going to see some major discoveries in our lifetime.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

:)

I'm not saying you agree with the video, I'm saying it's a very typical example...

[Dr Mindbender]

Obviously "aliens" serves for a much sexier explanation (and one I'd personally love to be true). But I'd put my money on this being something much less exciting.

Im not so sure i would like this. I agree with Stephen Hawking when there is a strong chance they would envoke a war of the worlds scenario on us.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Im not so sure i would like this. I agree with Stephen Hawking when there is a strong chance they would envoke a war of the worlds scenario on us.

My problem with that is that Stephen Hawking isn't an alien.

[Amphictyonis]

If felt Hawking was projecting human attributes onto life forms we may not understand, especially if they have millions of years of evolution on us. If mankind survives for another million years it will be because we evolved out of the war/plunder mentality.

[∞]

I think aliens might be composed of biological compounds that might kill us instantaneously. Otherwise, I can't tell you alien psychology.

[Rooster]

If felt Hawking was projecting human attributes onto life forms we may not understand, especially if they have millions of years of evolution on us. If mankind survives for another million years it will be because we evolved out of the war/plunder mentality.

Isn't that projecting humanity onto alien species as well?

[Amphictyonis]

Isn't that projecting humanity onto alien species as well?

Does a tree falling in the forest make a sound if no one is there to hear it? Whats the sound of one hand clapping? But seriously, I suppose you're right :)

[∞]

Does a tree falling in the forest make a sound if no one is there to hear it? Whats the sound of one hand clapping? But seriously, I suppose you're right :)

Yes because we are talking about it.

[Blackscare]

Probably just the reptilians fucking with SOHO again. Every time those assholes get drunk its "HEY GUYS, lets go moon the hubble!" or "Lets fuckin play marbles in front of SOHO, they'll think it's the end of the world or some shit. I hear a bunch of pigeons just died, oh man this shit is gonna be so cash."

Fuckin reptilians.

http://www.think-aboutit.com/images/rep2.gif

[Salyut]

Probably just the reptilians fucking with SOHO again. Every time those assholes get drunk its "HEY GUYS, lets go moon the hubble!" or "Lets fuckin play marbles in front of SOHO, they'll think it's the end of the world or some shit. I hear a bunch of pigeons just died, oh man this shit is gonna be so cash."

Fuckin reptilians.

http://www.think-aboutit.com/images/rep2.gif

http://www.wiolawapress.com/

OPEN YOUR THIRD EYE

[thesadmafioso]

Clearly the Death Star, you can even sort of make out its main laser array from that picture.

Seriously though, is this really up for question?

[Rooster]

That's no moon....

Anyway, does anyone have any pictures of that "Soviet Roswell"? Sorry to derail the thread but I think it was going this way regardless.

[thesadmafioso]

That's no moon....

Anyway, does anyone have any pictures of that "Soviet Roswell"? Sorry to derail the thread but I think it was going this way regardless.

By Soviet Roswell are you referring to the secret soviet rocket test site? With the UFO battles that Comrade Stalin instigated through mysterious signs on the ground, the secret reverse engineering program and all that other history channel conspiracy nonsense?

If so there is a very reliable and trustworthy episode of UFO hunters or something like that put out by the history channel that you could always look into.

[Rooster]

By Soviet Roswell are you referring to the secret soviet rocket test site? With the UFO battles that Comrade Stalin instigated through mysterious signs on the ground, the secret reverse engineering program and all that other history channel conspiracy nonsense?

If so there is a very reliable and trustworthy episode of UFO hunters or something like that put out by the history channel that you could always look into.

Yeah, with the KGB and that. :laugh:

All Nightmare Long is a great piece of cinema.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

So, that's where Bob Avakian finally ended up.

[Amphictyonis]

So, that's where Bob Avakian finally ended up.
Bob Avakian is no alien, he's God!