What does a Maoist Third Worldist meeting look like?

[Kléber]

Now we know. Remember comrades, anarkids and trots are petty-bourgeois, first-world lifestylists with no connection to the working class!

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[synthesis]

Is this for real? Hilarious either way, especially the lighter engraved with "People's War" to "smoke low-end Cuban cigars."

[Bright Banana Beard]

MTWists are quite active in Denver. Many of them are mostly Mexicans.

[Tablo]

Wow, just wow. These guys are some kind of walking stereotype.

[Dimentio]

Oh, isn't that our old hero Marcel?

[Sasha]

hurr durr and you thought only the nazis had pathetic stereotype knuckle draggers

[Fawkes]

Oh, isn't that our old hero Marcel?

:lol: the guy on the left actually kind of looks like him

[TC]

Pretty sure their meetings look like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsA2CqS5twQ

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also how do you know they're third worldist Maoists and not Marxist-Leninists?

[synthesis]

I'm pretty sure he says "this is Marcel the Maoist".

[TC]

I'm pretty sure he says "this is Marcel the Maoist".

LOL oh your right! I couldn't understand him but that was actually kind of hilarious.

[Kléber]

Pretty sure their meetings look like this:
marcel and his followers do not have many kind things to say about the UCPN(M)

[Dimentio]

:lol: the guy on the left actually kind of looks like him

The video is coming from Marcel the Maoist.

As for real maoists and maoist-thirdworldists.

Most maoists in third world countries are people who are fighting for better lives for the peasants, and most of them are themselves peasants.

Maoist-thirdworldists are mostly first world pseudo-intellectuals who love hating the first world working class. They do have some points, but sadly their solutions are... mildly expressed... somewhat distorted.

[scarletghoul]

...groan..

also marcel apparently stalks bald chinese men, claiming they look like mao -
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[TC]

marcel and his followers do not have many kind things to say about the UCPN(M)

I thought the whole point of being a third worldist was trailing the third world peasant-worker leadership? Thats rather lame if the case - but then I don't really know much of Marcel's politics? He quit or was banned or something?

[FreeFocus]

lol at the "meeting" :lol:

I did watch one of the related videos, Marcel's response about the First World proletariat. I don't automatically laugh off MTWs, they have some legitimate points and it should at least prompt thought and reflection. Would they consider Greece to be First World? Because Greece looks nothing like the US in terms of the political situation and class consciousness. Moreover, they sound really defeatist. I think there's more revolutionary potential in the Third World generally, but agitation shouldn't be halted in the First World.

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haha

[Kléber]

I thought the whole point of being a third worldist was trailing the third world peasant-worker leadership? Thats rather lame if the case - but then I don't really know much of Marcel's politics? He quit or was banned or something?
They actually have their own leadership, based in the imperialist "first world," the "Leading Light Communist Organization (http://llco.org/)" which considers Prachanda to be an "armed reformist" whose party "spits on the graves of the martyrs of people's war."

Marcel was the only prominent MTW wily enough not to get banned. He considers revleft to be a cesspool of "first worldism" and rarely graces us with his posts.


Would they consider Greece to be First World?
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also marcel apparently stalks bald chinese men, claiming they look like mao -
wow wtf. adding the music was kind of racist.

[scarletghoul]

Maoist-thirdworldists are mostly first world pseudo-intellectuals who love hating the first world working class. They do have some points, but sadly their solutions are... mildly expressed... somewhat distorted.
they are are so disconnected from the workers of their own country, and so short-sighted, that they conclude that all first world workers are reactionary. So they fetishise (in the most clinical sense of the word) the third world, because of some deluded image that every third world worker is ready to rise in revolution etc.. In other words its a combination of a middle class snobbery against first world workers and a fetishistic borderline-racism concerning the third world, all stemming from an undialectical short sighted wayy of looking at things

[synthesis]

lol at the "meeting" :lol:

I did watch one of the related videos, Marcel's response about the First World proletariat. I don't automatically laugh off MTWs, they have some legitimate points and it should at least prompt thought and reflection. Would they consider Greece to be First World? Because Greece looks nothing like the US in terms of the political situation and class consciousness. Moreover, they sound really defeatist. I think there's more revolutionary potential in the Third World generally, but agitation shouldn't be halted in the First World.

What gets me is that they can't seem to make up their minds which paradigm they're using for "First World" vs. "Third World." Under Mao's own Three Worlds Theory, modern-day China and India would be considered First World.

[TC]

...groan..

also marcel apparently stalks bald chinese men, claiming they look like mao -
X2_PeRHTn4M


Honestly I really don't see the resemblance at all and I think using traditional music in that context is potentially racist.

[scarletghoul]

Honestly I really don't see the resemblance at all and I think using traditional music in that context is potentially racist.
Yeah, its completely fetishistic racism and its creepy. I dont see the resemblance either.

[Sasha]

Honestly I really don't see the resemblance at all and I think using traditional music in that context is potentially racist.


well, i think we agreed already a long time ago that MTWism is deeply orientalist. like with philo-Semitism and anti-semitism there is a lot of racist similarities between how white people with an "positive" obsesion with asians and/or africans caricature actual 3th worldists and how those with an negative obsesive do.
it shouldnt come as any suprise that anyone who views "colored" humans as extra-human (not being able to be for example an opresive captialist just because they are black) are eerie similair to people who view those same "colored" humans as non-human.

[TC]

I think they're quiet right that populations of workers (industrial and agricultural) who are worked til death, who have no pension, minimum wage, health care, unemployment benefits, unionization rights, publicly funded education, etc...do truly have greater potential for revolution since the risk/benefit analysis for engaging in armed struggle looks more favorable to revolution the 1. less you have to lose 2. the weaker your government enemies are 3. The greater the danger of inaction is.

Thats just reality and it not only explains why there are more revolutions in the 'third world' than in the 'first world' it explains why within the first world there are more truly violent riots and criminal activities in poor neighborhoods than in wealthy ones.



What is incorrect however is that 1. when concessions from the ruling class are won through struggle those concessions don't appease first world workers making them less revolutionary - on the contrary the ability to advance your socio-economic interests through organization encourages further militancy: the problem lies when the bourgeois themselves control the process and buy their workers off from struggle from above (which is the threat from social democracy but not from genuine struggle). 2. When the imperialist bourgeois are relatively stronger politically against the local co-opted workers, they are free to concentrate on hyper-exploiting the third world without any domestic political checks. This is not a good place for them to be in for someone who anticipates third world revolution as the hope for global socialism.

Frankly though, I think almost every leftist ideology has some good points and some bad points and I would be happy to make the case for that for trotskyists, marxist-leninists, anarchists, etc.

[TC]

like with philo-Semitism and anti-semitism there is a lot of racist similarities between how white people with an "positive" obsesion with asians and/or africans caricature actual 3th worldists and how those with an negative obsesive do.
it shouldnt come as any suprise that anyone who views "colored" humans as extra-human (not being able to be for example an opresive captialist just because they are black) are eerie similair to people who view those same "colored" humans as non-human.


An excellent point and one that resonates with my experience dealing with certain race-based anti-oppression caucuses.

[black magick hustla]

i heard a lot of third worldists are just burnt out middle aged nationalists

[FreeFocus]

I think they're quiet right that populations of workers (industrial and agricultural) who are worked til death, who have no pension, minimum wage, health care, unemployment benefits, unionization rights, publicly funded education, etc...do truly have greater potential for revolution since the risk/benefit analysis for engaging in armed struggle looks more favorable to revolution the 1. less you have to lose 2. the weaker your government enemies are 3. The greater the danger of inaction is.

Thats just reality and it not only explains why there are more revolutions in the 'third world' than in the 'first world' it explains why within the first world there are more truly violent riots and criminal activities in poor neighborhoods than in wealthy ones.

What is incorrect however is that 1. when concessions from the ruling class are won through struggle those concessions don't appease first world workers making them less revolutionary - on the contrary the ability to advance your socio-economic interests through organization encourages further militancy: the problem lies when the bourgeois themselves control the process and buy their workers off from struggle from above (which is the threat from social democracy but not from genuine struggle). 2. When the imperialist bourgeois are relatively stronger politically against the local co-opted workers, they are free to concentrate on hyper-exploiting the third world without any domestic political checks. This is not a good place for them to be in for someone who anticipates third world revolution as the hope for global socialism.

Frankly though, I think almost every leftist ideology has some good points and some bad points and I would be happy to make the case for that for trotskyists, marxist-leninists, anarchists, etc.

Good post here.

Also, thanks for posting that video Kleber. MTWs don't do themselves any favors posting not only videos like that, but using that dumb ass, fake voice in all of them :lol:

[Fawkes]

how the hell was he a mod?

[Fawkes]

Also, "this is a lighter a comrade gave me", what a derp

[NoOneIsIllegal]

"Trying to organize some revolution..."
IN THE FOOD COURT!


If I knew revolutions were organized in the mall, what the hell am I doing here? Screw you guys, I'm hangin' at the mall.

[Niccolò Rossi]

Who is Marcel the Maoist? I never saw him post on here... How long ago was he a mod Fawkes?

Nic.

[Honggweilo]

Pretty sure their meetings look like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsA2CqS5twQ

CsA2CqS5twQ

also how do you know they're third worldist Maoists and not Marxist-Leninists?

i guess you missed the whole "marcel the maoist vs revleft revisionist trotskyte" yout00b war :D

[Aurora]

What's he doing in a food KKKourt?

[Raúl Duke]

lmao it only confirms my views that they're lame hypocrites


well, i think we agreed already a long time ago that MTWism is deeply orientalist. like with philo-Semitism and anti-semitism there is a lot of racist similarities between how white people with an "positive" obsesion with asians and/or africans caricature actual 3th worldists and how those with an negative obsesive do.
it shouldnt come as any suprise that anyone who views "colored" humans as extra-human (not being able to be for example an opresive captialist just because they are black) are eerie similair to people who view those same "colored" humans as non-human. +10rep I agree, QFT. :thumbup1:


Honestly I really don't see the resemblance at all and I think using traditional music in that context is potentially racist.

I see it as racist, maybe not very racist but at least kinda racist. But it is very silly, that's for sure.

[Fawkes]

Who is Marcel the Maoist? I never saw him post on here... How long ago was he a mod Fawkes?

Nic.

He was known just as Marcel, he was probably around about the time you joined. He used to be the Anti-Fascism mod.

[Jack]

reading a post on a Facebook page I created, I completely on accident found Marcell's FB page.....and had no idea who he was until this thread.

[Jack]

Also, apparantly he likes parkour and martial arts. :laugh:

[Os Cangaceiros]

What's he doing in a food KKKourt?

:lol:

[Rusty Shackleford]

actually i find that video quite racist.