US vs. Cuba...some questions...

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

Ok, this is what I don't get...

I know about the whole Cuban Missile Crisis, which was the final 'spark' if you may, for America to go into Cuba and try to combat their guerilla warfare, and further led to the killing of Ernesto Guevara...

What I don't get is several things. Firstly, the reasoning for America to go into Cuba was because there were reported USSR missiles located within Cuba that intelligence gave to whoever in America to launch the attack... Why would Cuba have USSR Missiles? If they weren't USSR Missiles...were they Cuba's personal missiles for national defense?

If they WERE Cuba's missiles...why would America care? Fear of Cuba taking over America?? I don't get that...

Also...why did JFK Insist on taking over Cuba and making it democratic? Seriously...could he not handle the fact that not all 196 countries are democratic? Why pick on a small country like Cuba?

Sorry...throughout all the research I've done...I've yet to find answers to this. Can someone plz help answer my question(s)?

~Knowledge~

P/S - Why is JFK viewed as the 'best' president ever? Is it all because of the Civil Rights movement???

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

the missiles were soviet, they were in Cuba because Cuba and the Soviets were close allies, as were all countries in the communist bloc. The soviets pointed the missiles at America because the Americans had placed missiled in Turkey pointed at the Soviets, that's why. After lots of turmoil, the soviets finnaly removed their missiles, but America did not. :angry:

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by Knowledge 6 6 [email protected] 27 2003, 11:10 PM
What I don't get is several things. Firstly, the reasoning for America to go into Cuba was because there were reported USSR missiles located within Cuba that intelligence gave to whoever in America to launch the attack... Why would Cuba have USSR Missiles?
Cuba decided to become a Soviet client state in order to help defend itself from American agression. The USSR had missiles in Cuba because Cuba & the USSR were buddies. The US had many missile bases near the USSR and the USSR wanted to do the same to the US.


Also...why did JFK Insist on taking over Cuba and making it democratic? Seriously...could he not handle the fact that not all 196 countries are democratic? Why pick on a small country like Cuba?

He didn't want to make it democratic, he wanted to reinstall a US client state - democratic or otherwise. The US only pretends to support democracy, when supporting dictatorships is necessary to get it's way then it does so. The US has destroyed many democracies. Before the Cuban revolution Cuba was run by the US puppet dictator Bastita. The Cuban revolution presented the threat of a bad example - if Cuba could become independant of the American empire and prosper then it would encourage other people to break off and imitate Cuba. So the US had to stamp the virus out. They haven't been able to take it over, but they did manage to partially dampen whatever prosperity might have come about. But even with their attacks, Cuba still managed to inspire many movements in Latin America which gave the US quite a bit of trouble throughout Latin America. If your'e going to maintain an empire you can't just let pieces of it float off.


P/S - Why is JFK viewed as the 'best' president ever?

I don't view him as a good president. He was an evil imperialist mass murderer.

[Severian]

Originally posted by Knowledge 6 6 [email protected] 27 2003, 11:10 PM
I know about the whole Cuban Missile Crisis, which was the final 'spark' if you may, for America to go into Cuba and try to combat their guerilla warfare, and further led to the killing of Ernesto Guevara...
This is inaccurate. The U.S. decided "to go into Cuba" earlier, after the agrarian reform (distribution of land to the peasants). This was unacceptable to Eisenhower, and then Kennedy, not only because U.S. sugar companies lost land, but because it was an example that might be imitated unless it was crushed first.

In fact, the U.S. organized an invasion of Cuba by mercenary troops earlier than the Missile Crisis. The Bay of Pigs, you may have heard of it? (One less-known fact about the Bay of Pigs is that U.S. pilots also participated - from the Alabama Air National Guard, because they were familiar with the old planes that were used. B-26s, to make it appear that they were Cuban planes, in fact the insignia of the Revolutionary Air Force was painted on them in violation of the Geneva Convention.)

Following the defeat of Bay of Pigs, Kennedy authorized "Operation Mongoose", a campaign of terrorism intended to lead up to a full-scale, regular-army invasion of Cuba.

Cuba agreed to take the missiles partly in order to deter this invasion, as well as to even up the strategic balance between the U.S. and the USSR.

Actually, after the missile crisis it became a lot less likely that the U.S. would "go into Cuba." An U.S. military attack has been considered from time to time since, but it has never been as close to the top of the list of options.

Why? Not because Kennedy promised not to invade as part of his deal with Krushev, as a lot of people think. In fact, this promise was never made, as it was conditional on Cuba accepting "UN inspectors" to "verify" the removal of the nuclear weapons. Sound familiar from recent history? Cuba correctly rejected this insult to its national sovereignty.

And if that promise had been made, it would not have been worth any more than other promises from Washington.

The real reason is that, during the Missile Crisis, Kennedy asked the Joint Chiefs of Staff for an estimate of U.S. casualties from an invasion of Cuba, and got an unacceptably high number.

[trudeaumania]

Originally posted by Knowledge 6 6 [email protected] 27 2003, 11:10 PM
Ok, this is what I don't get...

I know about the whole Cuban Missile Crisis, which was the final 'spark' if you may, for America to go into Cuba and try to combat their guerilla warfare, and further led to the killing of Ernesto Guevara...

What I don't get is several things. Firstly, the reasoning for America to go into Cuba was because there were reported USSR missiles located within Cuba that intelligence gave to whoever in America to launch the attack... Why would Cuba have USSR Missiles? If they weren't USSR Missiles...were they Cuba's personal missiles for national defense?

If they WERE Cuba's missiles...why would America care? Fear of Cuba taking over America?? I don't get that...

Also...why did JFK Insist on taking over Cuba and making it democratic? Seriously...could he not handle the fact that not all 196 countries are democratic? Why pick on a small country like Cuba?

Sorry...throughout all the research I've done...I've yet to find answers to this. Can someone plz help answer my question(s)?

~Knowledge~

P/S - Why is JFK viewed as the 'best' president ever? Is it all because of the Civil Rights movement???
P/S - Why is JFK viewed as the 'best' president ever? Is it all because of the Civil Rights movement???
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I would add, the reason why President Kennedy is so popular today. Is because of the assaination. He died as a young man. And with that, people equate youth and idealism. If his womanizing 'affairs' had ever been disclosed, during his adminstration. He would have been finished politically. So what we have are individuals today, who think; the classic questions, who, what, when, and where, and most importantly, if. (If he had lived.) It is revisonist history. We imagine an era of grandeur, had he lived. A different end, to the problems that plague society. And in the end it is a desperate hope, that so many cling for.

[EneME]

Actually I heard that the Cuban Missile Crisis began under the Eisenhower administration and basically it was just dropped into Kennedy's lap. All the men that help the president make his decisions practically made the decision for him although he really wasn't too sure about it. That's what I heard anyway from some documentary....i could be wrong though.
And Communism is a threat for the USA because it's a threat to capitalism....Capitalism is based on a belief of becoming rich in any means necessary....and greed cannot be fed through communism. It would encourage other revolutions...as it did in Vietnam, Nicaragua and tons of other countries.

[Legends]

Did the USSR and Cuba not have a trade going on? Suger and land for bases for missiles, troops and equipment.

I am sure that the USSR were paying way over the going price for Suger and in return they were allowed to uses bases on cuba for their troops and equipment.

Only a vague memory on what I read so it could be wrong.

It ended up with the USSR and USA making a deal, to both get their missiles out of different countries. Think it was turkey and cuba.

[RevolucioN NoW]

It ended up with the USSR and USA making a deal, to both get their missiles out of different countries. Think it was turkey and cuba.

Yes, but it was hardly a fair swap, the missiles placed in Turkey were due to be phased out in a few years time and the USSR's deal merely hastened their scrapping.


All the men that help the president make his decisions practically made the decision for him although he really wasn't too sure about it.

Yes, the whole Cuba fiasco ws thrown into kennedy's lap, and his indecisivness led to the failure at Bay of Pigs as he withdrew US air support at the last moment for some reason or another, leading to many deaths.

:ph34r:

[Ella]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 08:28 AM

And Communism is a threat for the USA because it's a threat to capitalism....Capitalism is based on a belief of becoming rich in any means necessary....and greed cannot be fed through communism. It would encourage other revolutions...as it did in Vietnam, Nicaragua and tons of other countries.
i agree.
one of the reasons Che is so popular is because he died a martyr, its the same with JFK, because he died everything good he did was blown out of proportion and all the bad he did was almost forgotten.

[Sabocat]

Actually I heard that the Cuban Missile Crisis began under the Eisenhower administration and basically it was just dropped into Kennedy's lap. All the men that help the president make his decisions practically made the decision for him although he really wasn't too sure about it.


It was the Bay of Pigs invasion that was planned under the Eisenhower admin. and pressed into JFK's administration.

[the SovieT]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 12:28 AM
the missiles were soviet, they were in Cuba because Cuba and the Soviets were close allies, as were all countries in the communist bloc. The soviets pointed the missiles at America because the Americans had placed missiled in Turkey pointed at the Soviets, that's why. After lots of turmoil, the soviets finnaly removed their missiles, but America did not. :angry:
well the americans actually removed theyr missiles...

secretly without causing to much fuss...


the thing is, doesnt Cuba have the right to theyr self defense?

[FistFullOfSteel]

Originally posted by the SovieT+Aug 31 2003, 12:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (the SovieT @ Aug 31 2003, 12:03 PM)
[email protected] 28 2003, 12:28 AM
the missiles were soviet, they were in Cuba because Cuba and the Soviets were close allies, as were all countries in the communist bloc. The soviets pointed the missiles at America because the Americans had placed missiled in Turkey pointed at the Soviets, that&#39;s why. After lots of turmoil, the soviets finnaly removed their missiles, but America did not. :angry:
well the americans actually removed theyr missiles...

secretly without causing to much fuss...


the thing is, doesnt Cuba have the right to theyr self defense? [/b]
hmm U.S wanna play worldpolice,they can have everything but not other countries they see it as a treat against american people :angry: ...fuck usa