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Hyacinth
8th January 2011, 09:14
Marx-Engels Gesamtausgabe (MEGA2): Has another Marx been revealed? (http://links.org.au/node/2083)

Interview with Marcello Musto, author of The Rediscovery of Karl Marx.

I thought this of special interest to those interested in the dialectics/anti-dialectics debate.



In the preparatory manuscripts for the third volume of Capital, Marx wrote that he was trying to present the “organisation of the very different from the one made by Plekhanov and, even worse, later by the fathers of that inflexible monism called Dialekticeskij materialism.

Anyway, the list of Marx’s ideas that have been misunderstood or completely dostorted by some of his “followers” or by the self-professed custodians of his thought is very long. Distorted by different perspectives into being a function of contingent political necessities, he was assimilated to these and defamed in their name. From being critical, his theory was utilised as bible-like verses. Far from heeding his warning against “writing recipes for the cook-shops of the future”, these custodians transformed him, instead, into the illegitimate father of a new social system. A very rigorous critic and never complacent with his conclusions, he became instead the source of the most obstinate doctrinarianism. A firm believer in a materialist conception of history, he was removed from his historical context more than any other author. From being certain that “the emancipation of the working class has to be the work of the workers themselves”, he was entrapped, on the contrary, in an ideology that saw the primacy of political vanguards and the party prevail in their role as proponents of class consciousness and leaders of the revolution. An advocate of the idea that the fundamental condition for the maturation of human capacities was the reduction of the working day, he was assimilated to the productivist creed of Stakhanovism. Convinced of the need for the abolition of the state, he found himself identified with it as its bulwark.

Hit The North
8th January 2011, 16:23
In the preparatory manuscripts for the third volume of Capital, Marx wrote that he was trying to present the “organisation of the very different from the one made by Plekhanov and, even worse, later by the fathers of that inflexible monism called Dialekticeskij materialism.

Are you sure? This would be pretty far-sighted for even Karl Marx, given that Plekhanov didn't write his first work as a Marxist until 1883, the year of Marx's death. His work on the materialist conception of history did not begin until the 1890s.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/plekhanov/index.htm

ZeroNowhere
8th January 2011, 16:42
I believe that Plekhanov had translated the Manifesto in 1882, which Marx and Engels wrote a preface to, although I'm not sure what exactly is supposed to be a quote there. Anyhow, the interview itself is fairly unimpressive, otherwise.

Hit The North
8th January 2011, 17:10
Yeah, the interview is dull and I'm not clear why Hyacinth thinks it contributes to the ongoing debate over the Marxist dialectic. But it made me look at Plekhanov again. It's ironic that the man credited with inventing the term 'dialectical materialism' was such a mechanical thinker. His staunch adherence to a rigid stages theory of historical change (unlike, say, Trotsky who was able to develop a truly dialectical approach to the cunning of history) meant that, in the end, he was a life-time supporter of the Russian bourgeoisie, merely posing unwittingly as a supporter of the Russian working class.

Rosa Lichtenstein
8th January 2011, 22:01
BTB:


Trotsky who was able to develop a truly dialectical approach to the cunning of history).

Which he used to 'prove' that the FSU was a deformed workers' state which all good revolutionaries should defend. And he accused all those who disagreed with him of not 'understanding', or of rejecting, the dialectic.

Oh, and he also used it to 'justify' and defend Stalin's murderous invasion of Finland.

So much for a 'truly dialectical approach'.:lol:

[I can post the relevant quotes if you have forgotten them...]

S.Artesian
9th January 2011, 04:12
Anyhow, the interview itself is fairly unimpressive, otherwise.

I read it, thinking "oh boy, this guy know there's a remarkable continuity in every piece of Marx's work-- a continuity established in examining the actual social condition of labor" but when it comes right down to it, he doesn't tell us very much of anything-- other that Marx's work is by some necessity-- fragmentary, incomplete, unfinished, which I think most of us already knew.

Rosa Lichtenstein
9th January 2011, 04:20
^^^Chill out; it's just an interview, not a scholarly article.:rolleyes: