Viva la revolucion CUBANA!

[elijahcraig]

I guess I'll post this here, since I can't get into any other forum:

Viva la revolucion CUBANA!
When one looks at Cuba today and contrasts it with what is happening in other parts of Latin America, Cuba, even under one of its most difficult periods in its history since the revolution, is in many ways a remarkable success story.

When measured against the U.S. Empire, which boasts some of the richest people in the history of the world, Cuba stacks up well in those human barometers of social well-being: health, education and welfare. The literacy rate in Cuba equals or excels that of its adversary to the north (the U.S.). There is little difference between the infant mortality rates of the two countries.

What is starkly different, of course, is the degree of social access to basic human services. In the U.S., while primary education is free, it is usually of poor or sub-par quality--especially for the nation's African American, Chicano or Puerto Rican youth. To get better, more comprehensive education, you must pay for it. The same can be said of health care. According to several sources, some 45 million Americans don't have true access to decent health care in the U.S. Again, if you can afford it, you can access it.

In Cuba, health, and education, from the primary to the highest levels, is free. ...

Cuba has demonstrated a profound respect for the peoples of the world, and yes, for human rights: the human right to learn, the human right to be treated when one is ill, the human right to help others when they are in need.

These are really profound achievements of the revolution that, in human terms, have made the lives of millions of people better.

What we all cannot afford to do, on this, the 50th anniversary of the [start of the Cuban] Revolution, is forget that they have made these achievements in the face of war; the secret and nefarious wars waged by the U.S. capitalists; their puppet media; and the "gusanos" in Southern Florida, what Cubans have come to call the Miami Mafia. That is a truly profound achievement.

The revolution was, and remains, the triumph of a bold and heroic people over the forces that wanted to keep Cuba a colony of crime and exploitation.

All throughout Latin America, the U.S.-trained armies of those nations are trained, not to resist foreign enemies, but to destroy domestic forces such as trade unionists, students, clergymen, and political dissidents. That has been the sad and ugly history of South America for most of the 20th century.

Do we hear calls for their removal? I ask you, did the U.S. support or oppose the Butcher of Chile, Gen. Augusto Pinochet? Did it support or oppose the blood-drenched dictators of El Salvador, Colombia, or anywhere else in the continent?

The criminal CIA has been unleashing death and disaster on the Cuban people, from the introduction of the swine fever into Cuban pigs in the 1970s, to the training, arming and protection of U.S.-trained terrorists who have attacked Cuban citizens, bombed their hotels, and tried to destabilize Cuban society and its economy. Indeed, the almost half-century of the blockade (strengthened by the sell-out Clinton regime, by the way) is itself an act of war, for it affects the trade and livelihood of average Cubans.

Despite these serious difficulties, despite profound betrayal, the Cuban thirst for independence, for self-determination continues unabated. That, in itself, is a profound achievement that should be applauded by us all.

Viva la Revolución Cubana! Viva Fidel! Viva el Pueblo de Cuba! n



Reprinted from the Aug. 28, 2003, issue of Workers World newspaper

[Dark Capitalist]

Mumia desperately needs a bullet to the back of the head.

[Loknar]

Speaking as a Capitalist I must say I have the utmost respect for Cuba because it has been able to achieve allot.


Not to get too sidetracked, how can you guys support Che? Allot of his programs were unrealistic and allot failed.

[Kapitan Andrey]

Dark Capitalist...nazy bastard!!! :angry:

Not to get too sidetracked, how can you guys support Che? Allot of his programs were unrealistic and allot failed

Calm down, or you'll be banned!!! :angry: Programs failed, because Fidel is just a dictator(Ok-ok, socialistic dictator!)!!!

[CubanFox]

I see you've got an appropriate icon for your new anti-Jew way of thinking, DC.

[sliverchrist]

Of course Cuba rocks. If nothing else, they have stood up and flipped the bird to one of the most powerful and pushy nations in the world and survuved. That fact alone is admirable. To have the amount of sucess that they have now on top of it, is also impressive.


Not to get too sidetracked, how can you guys support Che? Allot of his programs were unrealistic and allot failed.

True, Che flopped as the administrator of agriculture, primarily because he pushed the system entirely too fast. It went beyond its the-current cpabilities, and nose dived.

[Urban Rubble]

"Mumia desperately needs a bullet to the back of the head. "

God you're an idiot. Isn't it past your bedtime little boy ? Explain why you would make such a dumbass comment ?

"Not to get too sidetracked, how can you guys support Che? Allot of his programs were unrealistic and allot failed. "

As far as his economic policies and things liek that, yes, they weren't the best. Che was not a bereaucrat, he was a soldier. I don't think he was meant to sit behind a desk. Here is why I admire Che. He was an AMAZING soldier. He has come up with some of the most successful and widely used guerilla warfare tactics. He was a shining example of what a strong communist should be. After the revolution when he was working in the economics dept he would put in 14 hour day, then, on the weekends he would put in 14 hour daus of hard labor. Cutting sugar, just working like a common Cuban would. How many politicians have you ever seen work like that ? He was a strong man who whose convictions were hard as steel. He was a great leader, and a great worker. But I don't believe he was meant to be an economist or any position like that.

[Hampton]

Originally posted by Dark [email protected] 28 2003, 12:57 AM
Mumia desperately needs a bullet to the back of the head.
Say this instead "I love you Daniel Faulkner and I won't wonder why you had a FBI file or a camera in your police car when no others had it."

[Loknar]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 28 2003, 03:22 PM
"Mumia desperately needs a bullet to the back of the head. "

God you're an idiot. Isn't it past your bedtime little boy ? Explain why you would make such a dumbass comment ?

"Not to get too sidetracked, how can you guys support Che? Allot of his programs were unrealistic and allot failed. "

As far as his economic policies and things liek that, yes, they weren't the best. Che was not a bereaucrat, he was a soldier. I don't think he was meant to sit behind a desk. Here is why I admire Che. He was an AMAZING soldier. He has come up with some of the most successful and widely used guerilla warfare tactics. He was a shining example of what a strong communist should be. After the revolution when he was working in the economics dept he would put in 14 hour day, then, on the weekends he would put in 14 hour daus of hard labor. Cutting sugar, just working like a common Cuban would. How many politicians have you ever seen work like that ? He was a strong man who whose convictions were hard as steel. He was a great leader, and a great worker. But I don't believe he was meant to be an economist or any position like that.
Thank you for your kind intelligent responses UR, I really do appreciate it.


I agree with you on Che's military skill, I have researched his military career and it is something I admire. I even say the same for Mao. I don’t know why but for some reason Commies tend to be good guerilla fighters.

[Danton]

They make good guerilla fighters because they beleive 110% in the cause, as such they are wholly commited and give every fibre of themselves in the fight for justice and equality, mind body and soul... They are not drafted, they are not fighting for a cause they do not understand... They are more than comrades they are brothers and fight tooth and nail for each other and their fellow man...

[Zombie]

Originally posted by Dark [email protected] 28 2003, 01:57 AM
Mumia desperately needs a bullet to the back of the head.
I say it is thou who needs a bullet, (nay!) two bullets to the back of thy pityful brainless skull!

[sliverchrist]

Admiring Che goes beyond his soldiering. True, he was amazing at that and deserves that kind of recognition. I admire Che the most for his complete humanity. He never stopped trying to free those he saw as oppressed, he went where he was needed or felt called, and was never content to sit back and look on from an armchair.

[elijahcraig]

I think, to answer Loknar's query, that most support Che ofr being a revolutionary, and recognize his faiilures as an economic planner, or the like.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by Dark [email protected] 28 2003, 05:57 AM
Mumia desperately needs a bullet to the back of the head.
reactionaries like you are the ones who deserve that bullet

[Ella]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 28 2003, 03:22 PM

As far as his economic policies and things liek that, yes, they weren't the best. Che was not a bereaucrat, he was a soldier. I don't think he was meant to sit behind a desk. Here is why I admire Che. He was an AMAZING soldier. He has come up with some of the most successful and widely used guerilla warfare tactics. He was a shining example of what a strong communist should be. After the revolution when he was working in the economics dept he would put in 14 hour day, then, on the weekends he would put in 14 hour daus of hard labor. Cutting sugar, just working like a common Cuban would. How many politicians have you ever seen work like that ? He was a strong man who whose convictions were hard as steel. He was a great leader, and a great worker. But I don't believe he was meant to be an economist or any position like that.
i agree.
Che wasnt ment to be a part of the goverement, he was made to fight, thats what he wanted to do, he wanted to be in touch with people which is why he used to do hard labour.
he was a great fighter and had a great guerilla mind.

[Sabocat]

Beside being a guerilla fighter, Che's biggest contribution to the cause was his belief in the creation of the "New Man". Che truly tried to live and lead by example and teach others about true communism.

I think the effects can still be seen in Cuba today. While other countries have failed, Cuba has thrived in their ideology in part I think because of the standard that Che set.

[elijahcraig]

I support Mumia Abu-Jamal whether he is guilty or not. Since when are Black Panthers dropping cops considered bad? The BLA killed many.

[Hampton]

The BPP was about self defense, not going out and dropping random cops. What Mumia didn't do, if he had did it, would have been in defense of his brother and himself, same with Huey.

[elijahcraig]

The police represent the armed repressant of the Ruling Class; any killing of them is in self-defense, they are the oppressors, no matter what good "intent" they may have.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by Zombie+Aug 28 2003, 08:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Zombie @ Aug 28 2003, 08:41 PM)
Dark [email protected] 28 2003, 01:57 AM
Mumia desperately needs a bullet to the back of the head.
I say it is thou who needs a bullet, (nay&#33;) two bullets to the back of thy pityful brainless skull&#33; [/b]
Two to the back of the head. My personal favourite. We call it the "great equaliser". I reckon it&#39;s too soon to give DC the great equaliser as he is still just a boy. Once he is all gwowed up and if he still is such a tosser, then that day may come.

[Bolshevika]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 09:53 PM
The police represent the armed repressant of the Ruling Class; any killing of them is in self-defense, they are the oppressors, no matter what good "intent" they may have.
That&#39;s a bit cold blooded, do you not think? Sure, some of them are armed members of the ruling class, but most of them are mindless puppets who do what they are told.

However, I am all for the elimination of the leaders of police departments.

[elijahcraig]

I don&#39;t differientiate, you cannot do so when speaking from the mouth of a Marxist.

[Dark Capitalist]

Originally posted by COMRADE RAF+Aug 29 2003, 08:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (COMRADE RAF @ Aug 29 2003, 08:29 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 08:41 PM

Dark [email protected] 28 2003, 01:57 AM
Mumia desperately needs a bullet to the back of the head.
I say it is thou who needs a bullet, (nay&#33;) two bullets to the back of thy pityful brainless skull&#33;
Two to the back of the head. My personal favourite. We call it the "great equaliser". I reckon it&#39;s too soon to give DC the great equaliser as he is still just a boy. Once he is all gwowed up and if he still is such a tosser, then that day may come. [/b]
I think your a dirty liar.

[the SovieT]

is it only my impression or dark Capitalist turned a total fascist?


speaking of Che...
he was perhaps the most versatil and energetic Bolchevik ever (leninist sounds soo.... ugh :D ) he was not only a good commander and a excelent fighter but also a great leader, the masses loved him and he could learn something completly strange and hard in some weeks (for example see his eforst to earn economy in just a few weeks just to be the president of the Cuban national bank...)

in resume.... he was the ultimate revolutionary..