Yet another dubstep thread

[Boboulas]

It seems the genre is just getting better and better.

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What are your thoughts on the dub?

[Pirate Utopian]

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[Boboulas]

xD

[John "Eh" MacDonald]

Meh, if I'm drunk enough I'll listen to anything. It's pretty boring though, the entire techno genre is boring and overrated if you ask me.

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[Boboulas]

HAHAHAHAH listen to that video then this xD

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[mosfeld]

Fuck Henry Rollins

[cleef]

haha skism smashes it! Never say die is a quality album!

not really feeling the skream tune though, sounds more like a house tune with the added trademark wobble effect

much better skream tune here: http://soundcloud.com/loobu/katy-b-lights-on-skream-remix-feat-ms-dynamite

[Fawkes]

Meh, if I'm drunk enough I'll listen to anything. It's pretty boring though, the entire techno genre is boring and overrated if you ask me.

AyRDDOpKaLM

Black Flag's amazing, but Henry Rollins is a fucking macho prick.

A lot of electronic, sample-based/reliant music is pushing boundaries, something Black Flag also did. He's a fucking douche.

But it does piss me off how a lot of people are so reliant on drugs to enjoy the music, but that's indicative of much of the fanbase, not the music itself.

Ginn should've kicked out Rollins, not Dukowski (Kira Roessler's awesome though).

[John "Eh" MacDonald]

Black Flag's amazing, but Henry Rollins is a fucking macho prick.

source? other than that one Back Porch Video interview.


A lot of electronic, sample-based/reliant music is pushing boundaries, something Black Flag also did.

At least Black Flag and the 80's hardcore scene in general made it interesting and had a reason to push boundaries, such as not having any good music being produced since the 60's and early 70's.


But it does piss me off how a lot of people are so reliant on drugs to enjoy the music, but that's indicative of much of the fanbase, not the music itself.

The only reason people in my city started listening to this music is because they were hopped full of pills and other psychoactive chemicals when they first heard it. Hell, even i liked it when i first heard it.


Ginn should've kicked out Rollins, not Dukowski (Kira Roessler's awesome though).

All agree with you that Chucks lyrics were more powerful but Rollin's vocals, in my opinion, had the rawness that defined Black Flag.

[Fawkes]

source? other than that one Back Porch Video interview.





The fact that he constantly kicked the shit out of audience members with little to no provocation. Check out Our Band Could Be Your Life.


At least Black Flag and the 80's hardcore scene in general made it interesting

Okay, so you don't find a lot of electronic music interesting: don't listen to it. But to say that they're not musicians because they use turntables and samplers is idiotic and a really regressive attitude.


had a reason to push boundaries, such as not having any good music being produced since the 60's and early 70's.
Boundaries should always be pushed. So the early 2000s were chock full of great music? I'd say there's reason now more than ever to create provocative, experimental music.


The only reason people in my city started listening to this music is because they were hopped full of pills and other psychoactive chemicals when they first heard it. Hell, even i liked it when i first heard it.
Yeah, and a lot of kids went to hardcore punk shows to get into fights (e.g. HBers), that shouldn't detract from the music itself.


All agree with you that Chucks lyrics were more powerful but Rollin's vocals, in my opinion, had the rawness that defined Black Flag.
Yeah, but towards the end Rollins's lyrics and delivery became monothematic and he became a recluse that didn't even ride in the van with the rest of the members while on tour. Yeah, he was a great vocalist and did some awesome stuff on My War and Damaged, but he went downhill.

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[Ele'ill]

It gets more serious as the song moves along

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[Ele'ill]

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[John "Eh" MacDonald]

Okay, so you don't find a lot of electronic music interesting: don't listen to it. But to say that they're not musicians because they use turntables and samplers is idiotic and a really regressive attitude.


I'm not saying that people shouldn't listen to it, to each his own. I'm just trying to give my personal reasons why i don't like it. It's repetitive and carries on for too long.

Personally, I don't consider them musicians, I consider them disc jockeys that add there own personal touch to other artists songs. If anyone else thinks otherwise, whatever, I'm not going to loose any sleep over it or bother debating them because their view isn't going to change.

Damn it, i just finished typing i wasn't going to debate it but here it goes... If i were to do a version or Hair of the Dog but on a computer I changed the guitar effects some how and put another lead on top of the original am i really considered a musician?

[Fawkes]

I'm not saying that people shouldn't listen to it, to each his own. I'm just trying to give my personal reasons why i don't like it. It's repetitive and carries on for too long.

Personally, I don't consider them musicians, I consider them disc jockeys that add there own personal touch to other artists songs. If anyone else thinks otherwise, whatever, I'm not going to loose any sleep over it or bother debating them because their view isn't going to change.

Damn it, i just finished typing i wasn't going to debate it but here it goes... If i were to do a version or Hair of the Dog but on a computer I changed the guitar effects some how and put another lead on top of the original am i really considered a musician?

You made music, didn't you? John Oswald, Bomb Squad, RZA, Girl Talk, and Atari Teenage Riot are all very talented musicians that use samples.

[bailey_187]

meh, its only good when mixed in with a grime set and a grime MC raps over it

[Boboulas]

Hmm im not very present in that scene. Got any reccomendations bailey?

[Political_Chucky]

I'm not saying that people shouldn't listen to it, to each his own. I'm just trying to give my personal reasons why i don't like it. It's repetitive and carries on for too long.

Personally, I don't consider them musicians, I consider them disc jockeys that add there own personal touch to other artists songs. If anyone else thinks otherwise, whatever, I'm not going to loose any sleep over it or bother debating them because their view isn't going to change.

Damn it, i just finished typing i wasn't going to debate it but here it goes... If i were to do a version or Hair of the Dog but on a computer I changed the guitar effects some how and put another lead on top of the original am i really considered a musician?

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[Spawn of Stalin]

meh, its only good when mixed in with a grime set and a grime MC raps over it

I'm with this guy. Aside from that I don't see much variation in dubstep, 140bpm, jerky bass, and a bunch of samples from records the producers probably don't even own. I went to a dubstep show last year at Warwick Uni and there were like 3 dudes on stage with MPCs, there was a bassist and an MC too, it was really cool. But every other time I go to a dubstep night it's just a guy standing behind a laptop and some turntables.

[Omi]

Its dance music. You get that with nearly every genre.

I like it. Mixed with hiphop/grime though is pretty terrible most of the time.

[Pirate Utopian]

I never really explored dubstep nor do I intend to. But this was pretty funny:
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[Boboulas]

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[L.A.P.]

Meh, if I'm drunk enough I'll listen to anything. It's pretty boring though, the entire techno genre is boring and overrated if you ask me.

AyRDDOpKaLM

First of all, I like his music but Henry Rollins is the typical arrogant "my taste in music is better than yours" rockist nostalgic-ridden whiny fuck

Second of all, if you don't like Techno then good thing there's more to electronic music than just that specific sub-genre.

[Fawkes]

I admittedly haven't heard that much dubstep, but it seems that on most of the songs I've heard, right before the bass drop, the drums always build up from 1/4 notes to 1/8 notes to 1/16 to 1/32 and sometimes even 1/64 before it drops. Either in the place of that or alongside that a synth will gradually pitch-shift anywhere from 2-5 octaves up before the drop. A lot of it seems kind of formulaic, but I admittedly haven't heard a huge amount, so I can't really judge. Plus, most music genres are filled with unoriginal and formulaic artists until you dig deeper into it.

[L.A.P.]

I admittedly haven't heard that much dubstep, but it seems that on most of the songs I've heard, right before the bass drop, the drums always build up from 1/4 notes to 1/8 notes to 1/16 to 1/32 and sometimes even 1/64 before it drops. Either in the place of that or alongside that a synth will gradually pitch-shift anywhere from 2-5 octaves up before the drop. A lot of it seems kind of formulaic, but I admittedly haven't heard a huge amount, so I can't really judge. Plus, most music genres are filled with unoriginal and formulaic artists until you dig deeper into it.

Think about it like this; its their version of the guitar solo which is a pretty formulated part of hard rock music, the type of music that rockists such as Henry Rollins believe is the only legitimate form of music (well most forms of hard rock, I'm sure he wasn't fond of nu metal).

[Fawkes]

Think about it like this; its their version of the guitar solo which is a pretty formulated part of hard rock music, the type of music that rockists such as Henry Rollins believe is the only legitimate form of music (well most forms of hard rock, I'm sure he wasn't fond of nu metal).

Yeah, I know, and guitar solos in every song annoy me. I'm not holding this against dubstep as a genre at all, it's just that a lot of what I've heard seems very formulaic. However, the same could really be said of any genre unless you dig deeper into it.