Communist or Not?

[elijahcraig]

Are you a communist or revisionist?

1. Yes, I am a Stalinist, a Marxist-Leninist, and a true Communist.

2. No, I am anything other than choice #1, a revisionist pussy.

Pick em boys.

I took your advice Centhar.

[Edelweiss]

alright buddy, now you are really pushing it too far. If you are just here to piss us of, and not to have a respectfull discussion, you should leave this place. For now I have restricted you to OI.

[Palmares]

I am happy you did, but I fear you have just turned the other poll right around. To your liking. To tell you the truth, I would have been happy with the poll had it not had the word 'pussy' in it. But either way, it wasn't that hard to do this was it elijahcraig (I'm not bagging you BTW)?

I AM A REVISIONIST

[elijahcraig]

I guess Malte's a pussy? :lol:

[Jesus Christ]

you have a fuckin problem elijah

[Jesus Christ]

and along with Cthenthar

I am a revisionist.

[elijahcraig]

Wow, the truth spew from the mouths of the counter-revolutionaries when the question is asked out front. :lol:

[canikickit]

Elijah is having some sort of mental breakdown.

[Jesus Christ]

you got that right

[Comrade Ceausescu]

iElijah is having some sort of mental breakdown.

actually think malte is.go ahed malte,ban the smartest person on all of the fuckin forums.pussy! :lol: and Yes, I am a Stalinist, a Marxist-Leninist, and a true Communist!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jesus Christ]

looks like we got another one canikickit

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 02:25 AM
ban the smartest person on all of the fuckin forums.
Smart would be, not being a divisive counter-revolutionary. Good to know you are consistant in your left-leftist ways elijahcraig <_<

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I am a revisionist, problem?
eww, i never thought i&#39;d say that.
I am not a Stalinist, but this is hardly enough to call me not a true communist. I have nothing against you personaly, lad, but you seem to be trying to undermine our communism. Why, elijah? We&#39;re all here to learn and debate, why do you have to acuse us of being pussies? You know we&#39;re communists, I know we&#39;re communists, this thread is pointless and you&#39;re being imature. Unlike many people on these boards, I don&#39;t think you&#39;re stupid, you&#39;ve made some good arguments, why do you have to resort to insults aimed directly at something so vague as anti-Stalinism?

[Umoja]

I&#39;m not a communist, because most of the communist hear seem to follow a hard core code of ethics, based on the teachings of the "secret masters" of Communism. So, I just call myself a socialist, when asked.

[commie kg]

I am a true communist elijah, not a Marxist-Leninist.

[apathy maybe]

I call my self an Individualist democratic Anarcho-Communist.
But I am also a reformist Socialist as this is they way to the perfect society of above.

[IHP]

I&#39;m not a communist at all.

Why draw all these lines in the sand. We are all ( with the exception of a few) left-wingers. Get over your petty squabbles.

--IHP

[Loknar]

I cant wait until the revolution comes. I&#39;ll join the counter-revolution against you. Then after our victory I&#39;ll be a guard at a reeducation prison. After it&#39;s the exact same thing you guys do after your revolutions are over.


I am not a Commie in case you didn’t know.

[sliverchrist]

"A true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love."
- Che

Hmmmm, what do you all think?

I guess i&#39;ll be called whatever it is you call some one who wants the poor of the world given what they&#39;ve been denied, i&#39;ll be called whatever it is that wants those who lie, manipulate, and force feed those who have no power a third rate life of poverty ignorance and helplessness.

how&#39;s that.

same here, not a stalinist that is. :lol:

[redstarshining]

If I thought it was important to label myself, I would give myself the label of an undogmatic Marxist-Leninist ( as I believe in &#39;capitalism->scientific socialism->communism&#39;. I believe that organization of the workers in a united socialist party is necessary after the revolution ).

Still I have to say I find it sad how many people pretend to be the only ones who have found the &#39;true marxist enlightenment&#39;, as if it was a religion. Unity among the left does not necessarily mean a lack of controversy, but this kind of dogmatism will lead us nowhere. It sounds corny, but as so often in life, it can be found on both sides.


EDIT: I forgot to add, I don&#39;t consider myself a stalinist, so I must be a revisionist pussy.

[Loknar]

Are you guys actual Marxists or are you just offshoots?

[UnionofSovietSocialistRepublics]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 01:45 AM
Are you a communist or revisionist?

1. Yes, I am a Stalinist, a Marxist-Leninist, and a true Communist.

2. No, I am anything other than choice #1, a revisionist pussy.

Pick em boys.

haha, nicely said&#33;

[YKTMX]

I object to the question. The quizmaster is deranged.

[Legends]

I cant say as I do not yet know enough to class myself under any political state.

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 12:19 PM
I cant say as I do not yet know enough to class myself under any political state.
Did you get my PM regarding your question Legends?

[elijahcraig]

Behold&#33; And Came down from the mountain did he&#33; And proclaimed: Behold the liberal backlash&#33; Behold&#33;

"Individualist Social Anarch-Democrati-what?" aka, a complete moron.

[redstarshining]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 08:57 AM
Are you guys actual Marxists or are you just offshoots?
what makes you think all of us are just &#39;offshoots&#39;? What is an &#39;actual&#39; marxist in your opinion?

[Unrelenting Steve]

I think I am a Moaist- where does that lie in choices 1 or 2?

[elijahcraig]

Mao was a Stalinist.

[Unrelenting Steve]

Originally posted by Chairman Mao+Aug 27 2003, 11:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chairman Mao @ Aug 27 2003, 11:30 AM)
[email protected] 27 2003, 12:19 PM
I cant say as I do not yet know enough to class myself under any political state.
Did you get my PM regarding your question Legends? [/b]
Sorry for being nossy, but did u(Chairman Moa) send a PM basicly explaining the differnaces in the diff communist philosophies (Maxism, Leninism ect.) could if u did, could u send it to me aswell, I would love to have such a document handy for study and referance.

[Bolshevika]

Non-Dogmatic-anti-revisionist-Marxist-Leninist-Maoist-true-Communist

[Bolshevika]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 08:04 PM
Mao was a Stalinist.
This isn&#39;t entirely true by the way. Mao admired Stalin, but if you look at some of their political and economic theories they are actually different. They obviously had common Marxist similarities, but Mao was a Communist before he even knew Stalin existed.

[elijahcraig]

Yes, I understand all of that, I was putting Mao in the position of 1 or 2. In favor of stalin or revisionism.

[Hegemonicretribution]

I call myself Jesus-fucking-christ. So I guess I am a pussy.

Was Ghandi counter-revolutionary for not being Stalinist, because he is one of my favourites?

[elijahcraig]

Gandhi wasn&#39;t exactly a revolutionary, he was nonviolent, which is a counterrevolutionary trait. Though I hold no ill will towards him

[Hegemonicretribution]

He was a peacful revolutionary. He also achieved a great deal without the bloodshed that you see as positive.

However I am very pleased you hold no ill towards him, despite being a counter-revolutionary revolutionary. I am sure that if you kept a character similar to him alive he could teach you a thing or two.

[elijahcraig]

Gandhi was not against bloodshed in terms of revoluiotn, he stated many times taht even confronted with millions of deaths in his movement, he would not fight back. He was against violence but was ok with millions dying. This did not work as far as revoluiton goes, India has the worst caste class system in the world.

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by Unrelenting Steve+Aug 27 2003, 08:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Unrelenting Steve @ Aug 27 2003, 08:06 PM)
Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 27 2003, 11:30 AM

[email protected] 27 2003, 12:19 PM
I cant say as I do not yet know enough to class myself under any political state.
Did you get my PM regarding your question Legends?
Sorry for being nossy, but did u(Chairman Moa) send a PM basicly explaining the differnaces in the diff communist philosophies (Maxism, Leninism ect.) could if u did, could u send it to me aswell, I would love to have such a document handy for study and referance. [/b]
I sent a PM to Legends regarding biographies of Mao. Although I have recieved requests for the issue you mentioned so I will PM you that (tomorrow though since its late in the UK now).

[Palmares]

NEW QUESTION:

ARE YOU &#39;COMMUNISTIC&#39;?

(IN OTHER WORDS, THIS POLL IS SHIITE)

"When asked whether or not we are Marxists, our position is the same as that of a physicist or a biologist who is asked if he is a "Newtonian," or if he is a "Pasteurian." "
Che Guevara (Ernesto) (1928-67), Quoted in: Radical Currents in Contemporary Philosophy (ed. by David DeGrood, 1971).
:che:

[suffianr]

This poll is skewed.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 07:45 PM
This poll is skewed.
REALLY&#33;&#33;??
I never would have guessed

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 03:23 AM
Elijah is having some sort of mental breakdown.
That&#39;s not true, because that would only be possible if he had a brain.

[Unrelenting Steve]

Originally posted by Chairman Mao+Aug 27 2003, 10:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chairman Mao @ Aug 27 2003, 10:09 PM)
Originally posted by Unrelenting [email protected] 27 2003, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 27 2003, 11:30 AM

[email protected] 27 2003, 12:19 PM
I cant say as I do not yet know enough to class myself under any political state.
Did you get my PM regarding your question Legends?
Sorry for being nossy, but did u(Chairman Moa) send a PM basicly explaining the differnaces in the diff communist philosophies (Maxism, Leninism ect.) could if u did, could u send it to me aswell, I would love to have such a document handy for study and referance.
I sent a PM to Legends regarding biographies of Mao. Although I have recieved requests for the issue you mentioned so I will PM you that (tomorrow though since its late in the UK now). [/b]
THANX&#33;

[Fever]

Originally posted by AK47+Aug 28 2003, 01:39 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AK47 @ Aug 28 2003, 01:39 AM)
[email protected] 27 2003, 03:23 AM
Elijah is having some sort of mental breakdown.
That&#39;s not true, because that would only be possible if he had a brain. [/b]
Agreed :D
Im not a communist at all. I would consider myself an existentialist/anarchist in my beliefs. If a revistionist is a pussy, i must be the anti-christ&#33; :D

[CompadreGuerrillera]

LOL&#33;&#33;&#33; Thats a fine mess you got your pathetic ass into Elijah, I hope you enjoy OI and nothing else&#33; Its nice hear, all your fellow stalinsits, can duke it out with the cappie nazi pukes&#33;&#33;&#33;

Excellent job everyone&#33;

Keep up the good work Malte&#33;&#33;

Now who&#39;s "ass-raped" as you put it Elijah, dont even think about putting ur pictures here as a last resort&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 03:25 AM

iElijah is having some sort of mental breakdown.

actually think malte is.go ahed malte,ban the smartest person on all of the fuckin forums.pussy&#33; :lol: and Yes, I am a Stalinist, a Marxist-Leninist, and a true Communist&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
If you think that elijah is smart then I hate to imagine your own IQ...

[Palmares]

Does anyone actually realise that many of you are now resorting to &#39;name calling&#39; as such? First Elijah, now everyone is doing it back to him.

Grow up would you guys&#33;

... and to think I was the &#39;inspiration&#39; for this thread... <_<

[Indysocialist]

Well then I guess I&#39;m a pussy. But when you think about it you sound a little like George W. Bush when he said, "You&#39;re either with us, or with the terrorists&#33;" :lol:

[RevolucioN NoW]

Fuck dude, if you think that everyone who doesnt conform to your skewed Stalinist ideology is a "revisionist" then i recommend a quick appointment with a shrink.

i hope that that your question was a sick and unnecessary joke.

P.S. ill side with the "Pussy Revisionists" on this one

:ph34r:

[suffianr]

REALLY&#33;&#33;??
I never would have guessed

I see my attempt at dry humour has not gone unnoticed.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, WILL YOU RELAX, Victorcommie? :lol:

[redstar2000]

"Revisionist pussies"?

You mean like Jenny Marx, Eleanor Marx, Rosa Luxemburg, Alexandra Kollantai, Emma Goldman?

Not to mention our own RedFW, exploited class, Senora Che and others...

I&#39;m with them.

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[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 12:31 PM


Not to mention our own RedFW, exploited class, Senora Che and others...


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What is &#39;RedFW&#39;?

[Felicia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 11:25 PM

iElijah is having some sort of mental breakdown.

actually think malte is.go ahed malte,ban the smartest person on all of the fuckin forums.pussy&#33; :lol: and Yes, I am a Stalinist, a Marxist-Leninist, and a true Communist&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
elijah?

smartest person in the forums?

uhhh, what you got in that bong, eh?

[Felicia]

and there&#39;s nothing wrong with revisionism&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

pffft.

[Legends]

Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 28 2003, 12:53 PM

What is &#39;RedFW&#39;?
She is a member of the forum.

I have a feeling that I have missed something. lol

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 05:03 AM
Well then I guess I&#39;m a pussy. But when you think about it you sound a little like George W. Bush when he said, "You&#39;re either with us, or with the terrorists&#33;" :lol:
Damn&#33; I was going to say that :blink: :lol:

[Bolshevika]

All the people Red Star named (with the exceptions of Luxembourg and Kollontai) were Anarchists (in my opinion Eleanor and Jenny leaned more towards Anarchism and thought Marx was a federalist). So they cannot be revisionists if they are not Marxists in the first place.

[redstar2000]

...in my opinion Eleanor and Jenny leaned more towards Anarchism and thought Marx was a federalist.

Well, since they had daily contact with Marx, perhaps they were in a somewhat better position to fully understand his views than modern day Leninists.

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[YKTMX]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 03:02 PM
...in my opinion Eleanor and Jenny leaned more towards Anarchism and thought Marx was a federalist.

Well, since they had daily contact with Marx, perhaps they were in a somewhat better position to fully understand his views than modern day Leninists.

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RedStar, although I support you against our mutual foes, I must insist you stop desecrating Lenin&#39;s name in connecting him with these guys.

[Bolshevika]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 03:02 PM
Well, since they had daily contact with Marx, perhaps they were in a somewhat better position to fully understand his views than modern day Leninists.
munist ideas [/b]
I do not recall them being in the Paris Commune, or the first international. So simply because they were the family members of Marx, does not mean he was a federalist.

Also (Lately I&#39;ve been reading more Engels) I&#39;ve found that Engels, even more than Marx, is quite the opposite of a federalist. With his and Marx&#39;s countless essays and polemics against the Anarchist, you would certainly get an idea.

Like it or not, Marx and especially Engels were centralists.

You know They Murdered X: How are we, Leninists, desecrating Lenin? Do you realize how ironic that sounds?

Leninists desecrating Lenin, a new Trotskyist theory.

[elijahcraig]

ahahh, the soft fumes of backlash. :lol:

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 07:27 PM
ahahh, the soft fumes of backlash. :lol:
What the hell does that mean? Are you just enjoying the troll lifestyle?

[elijahcraig]

Sorry if you can&#39;t comprehend my jokes, I understand you are ...not too smart.

[Don't Change Your Name]

elijah, you are really an idiot who only cares about fighting with the rest of the people here.

BTW, you and many other hardcore stalinists think of war as a natural and even good thing, very much like fascists do. You have shown this by saying "Gandhi wasn&#39;t exactly a revolutionary, he was nonviolent, which is a counterrevolutionary trait.". So you are recognising that revolution can only be done by murdering.
You stalinists are truly a disgrace for the left, scaring everyone with your authoritarianism. Stalinists have contributed to making the left look like that, like authoritarian dictators which killed 100 million people and only care about their interests.

[Bolshevika]

Originally posted by El Infiltr(A)[email protected] 31 2003, 04:50 AM
elijah, you are really an idiot who only cares about fighting with the rest of the people here.

BTW, you and many other hardcore stalinists think of war as a natural and even good thing, very much like fascists do. You have shown this by saying "Gandhi wasn&#39;t exactly a revolutionary, he was nonviolent, which is a counterrevolutionary trait.". So you are recognising that revolution can only be done by murdering.
You stalinists are truly a disgrace for the left, scaring everyone with your authoritarianism. Stalinists have contributed to making the left look like that, like authoritarian dictators which killed 100 million people and only care about their interests.
That is an extremely untrue and offensive stereotype. I am a pacifist.

[synthesis]

That is an extremely untrue and offensive stereotype. I am a pacifist.

I&#39;m not trying to be belligerent or antagonistic here, but aren&#39;t Maoism and pacifism contradictory?

[suffianr]

ahahh, the soft fumes of backlash.

Is that a metaphor? An allusion? An allegory? Or a simile? There&#39;s something metaphorically erotic about soft fumes, but it seems, as a connotation, to contrast if used with &#39;backlash&#39;.

You sound like Woody Allen.

[Bolshevika]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2003, 05:31 AM

That is an extremely untrue and offensive stereotype. I am a pacifist.

I&#39;m not trying to be belligerent or antagonistic here, but aren&#39;t Maoism and pacifism contradictory?
Here are a couple of quotes from Chairman Mao:

"We are advocates of the abolition of war, we do not want war; but war can only be abolished through war, and in order to get rid of the gun it is necessary to take up the gun"

"Our country and all the other socialist countries want peace; so do the peoples of all the countries of the world. The only ones who crave war and do not want peace are certain monopoly capitalist groups in a handful of imperialist countries which depend on aggression for their profits."

"We desire peace. However, if imperialism insists on fighting a war, we will have no alternative but to take the firm resolution to fight to the finish before going ahead with our construction. If you are afraid of war day in day out, what will you do if war eventually comes? First I said that the East Wind is prevailing over the West Wind and war will not break out, and now I have added these explanations about the situation in case war should break out. Both possibilities have thus been taken into account"

"People all over the world are now discussing whether or not a third world war will break out. On this question, too, we must be mentally prepared and do some analysis. We stand firmly for peace and against war. But if the imperialists insist on unleashing another war, we should not be afraid of it. Our attitude on this is the as our towards any disturbance: first, we are against it; second, we are not afraid of it. The First World War was followed by the birth of the Soviet Union with a population of 200 million. The Second World War was followed by the emergence of the socialist camp with a combined population of 900 million. If the imperialists insist on launching a third world war, it is certain that several hundred million more will turn to socialism."

So you see, we are for peace. But we do not however oppose revolutions or oppose defense/resistence against imperialists.

[synthesis]

I wasn&#39;t really referring to war as an abstract entity, but rather violence as a physical concept. Were Mao&#39;s comments about communism being a hammer used to crush one&#39;s enemies and power flowing from a barrel of a gun taken extremely out of context? It wouldn&#39;t really surprise me if they were.

I mean, isn&#39;t a central part of Maoist ideology that of armed, violent revolution, emphasizing this to a greater extent than even the Leninist revolutionary idea?

[redstar2000]

Redstar, although I support you against our mutual foes, I must insist you stop desecrating Lenin&#39;s name in connecting him with these guys.

Point taken. I do suspect that Lenin himself would find most of his contemporary supporters to be an embarrassment. Pigeons and statues and all that, you know.

An interesting "what if" question: were Lenin alive today, would he be a "Leninist"? And, if so, what kind?

...I&#39;ve found that Engels, even more than Marx, is quite the opposite of a federalist. With his and Marx&#39;s countless essays and polemics against the Anarchist, you would certainly get an idea.

Like it or not, Marx and especially Engels were centralists.

I think you misunderstand the central disagreements between Marx and the 19th century anarchists.

In my opinion, it was not a rather meaningless dispute between "centralism" and "federation". What was the First International but a federation?

What Marx and Engels opposed was "small group conspiracy" theories of revolution...something that Bakunin at least flirted with and other anarchists of that era definitely favored. Most of the left-wing of the Paris Commune were Blanqui-ists, that is, anarchists.

When exploring Marxist theory, I think it&#39;s very important to distinguish between the core discoveries and the effluvia of that historical era.

There are quite a few examples of the latter, from the trivial to the seemingly "significant".

For example, Marx referred to the "laws" of economic systems...because 19th century science was fascinated by "laws". We now understand that it is much more accurate to refer to "regularities", "probabilities", etc.

Marx and Engels came of age in a period when that pompous wind-bag Hegel was the most influential German philosopher...hence "dialectics", a form of "logic" no longer taken seriously by any thoughtful revolutionary.

They likewise were heavily influenced by the Hegelian fascination with the "strong state" as an "independent actor" in history. They realized quickly the real class nature of the state...and postulated its disappearance with the abolition of class society.

After the Paris Commune, they drew the important lesson that the working class must smash the old capitalist state machinery in its entirety.

What they did not explicitly address, unfortunately, was the actual structure of the proletarian "state" immediately following the proletarian revolution...possibly because they simply were unsure.

In any event, this "blank page" has allowed any number of "interpretors" to step in and fill out the lacunae according to their own taste...Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, Mao, etc.

Though not as famous/infamous as those guys, I do it too; I argue that Marx and Engels would "most likely" have supported a decentralized proletarian regime with power directly exercised by the working class itself (no special party of self-appointed rulers). I think this conclusion logically follows from the totality of their outlook: "the emancipation of the working class must be the work of the workers themselves".

But even if it could really be definitively proven that, say, Lenin&#39;s version of Marx is more historically accurate than mine...I still think mine is better.

Why? Because if real power is not in the actual hands of the working class itself, then the whole communist project is meaningless.

There&#39;s just no damn point to swapping bosses.

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[elijahcraig]

elijah, you are really an idiot who only cares about fighting with the rest of the people here.

Analysis noted…


BTW, you and many other hardcore stalinists think of war as a natural and even good thing, very much like fascists do. You have shown this by saying "Gandhi wasn&#39;t exactly a revolutionary, he was nonviolent, which is a counterrevolutionary trait.". So you are recognising that revolution can only be done by murdering.

Murdering happens in a revolution, Gandhi even acknowledged that. He just didn’t want to be the one doing the murdering. I, and ALL Marxists, on the otherhand, don’t follow petty bourgeois lifestyle nonsense. Engels called revolution the most “authoritative” act known. It is the “violent” upheavel of one class by another. If you do not accept this, you are not a Marxist.


You stalinists are truly a disgrace for the left, scaring everyone with your authoritarianism. Stalinists have contributed to making the left look like that, like authoritarian dictators which killed 100 million people and only care about their interests.

Stalinists are Marxist-Leninists, and True Communists. They have been the ONLY driving force behind the Movement EVER. It is the Western Capitalists who have turned Marxism into a “killed 100 million people” ideology, and it is people like you, pathetic people, who accept it and further the counter-revolution.


You sound like Woody Allen.

Thanks. LOL

Bolshevika, you can’t be a Maoist and a Pacifist. Pacifism is refusal to fight, no matter what; Maoism says, “We will fight if you make us.”



RS…I don’t find any original thoughts which I have not debated already, so I will not respond to your words. It’s been done.

[redstar2000]

RS…I don’t find any original thoughts which I have not debated already, so I will not respond to your words.

Lucky me&#33; :D

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[elijahcraig]

Not lucky, "blessed".

:lol: