Shah's son offs himself - does anyone care?

[khad]

Because I sure don't.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/0105/Suicide-of-Iran-Shah-s-son-Alireza-Pahlavi-caps-life-of-sorrow-in-exile


Suicide of Iran Shah's son, Alireza Pahlavi, caps life of sorrow in exile

By Scott Peterson, Staff writer / January 5, 2011
Istanbul, Turkey

The youngest son of the late shah of Iran, once second in line to the throne, took his own life on Tuesday in Boston. The suicide of Alireza Pahlavi is the latest tragic event to befall the former Persian royal family, which has sought relevance during a generation in exile outside Iran.

The pro-West Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi was ousted by the 1979 Islamic revolution in Iran and died the next year, but his admission to America for medical treatment prompted militant students to seize control of the US Embassy in Tehran.

The shah’s youngest daughter, Leila Pahlavi, was found dead in a London hotel in 2001 after a drug overdose.

The former royals remain widely despised inside Iran because of a decades-long legacy of repressive and authoritarian rule by the shah, whose overthrow brought to an end centuries of Persian monarchy.

In a brief story titled “Son of ex-dictator of Iran kills himself,” Iran’s state-run PressTV noted on Wednesday that the death marks the “second member of the Pahlavi family to commit suicide.”

Since Iran’s disputed June 2009 presidential election, members of the former ruling family have tied themselves more closely to the pro-democracy cause in Iran, with Reza Pahlavi – the former crown prince who remains politically active against the Islamic regime in Iran – described on his Website as an “advocate for democracy and human rights.”

A family statement spoke of the “immense grief [at] the passing away of Prince Alireza Pahlavi.”

“Like millions of young Iranians, he too was deeply disturbed by all the ills fallen upon his beloved homeland, as well as carrying the burden of losing a father and a sister in his young life,” the statement on Reza Pahlavi's website read.

“Although he struggled for years to overcome his sorrow, he finally succumbed, and during the night of the 4th of January 2011, in his Boston residence, took his own life, plunging his family and friends into great sorrow.”
Largely unnoticed in Iran

The suicide passed largely unnoticed in Iran, where decades ago the shah’s rule – restored by a CIA coup in 1953, and punctuated afterward by the brutality of the US- and Israeli-trained SAVAK secret police *– became a crucial catalyst for the revolution.

Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the father of that revolution, declared that 2,500 years of monarchy had been a disaster, and that the title Kings of Kings, used by Iranian monarchs, was the “most hated of all titles in the sight of God.”

From exile, Ayatollah Khomeini excoriated the shah: “The crimes of the kings of Iran have blackened the pages of history. It is the kings of Iran that have constantly ordered massacres of their own people....”

[El Rojo]

an individual just topped himself because he was so sad. thats fucking tragic, and although he was wealthy and far away and i never knew him and there are huge injustices that overshadow this event, i do care. they day i stop caring is the day i cease to be a communist.

[ed miliband]

an individual just topped himself because he was so sad. thats fucking tragic, and although he was wealthy and far away and i never knew him and there are huge injustices that overshadow this event, i do care. they day i stop caring is the day i cease to be a communist.

You've made me feel guilty about not caring now.

[Raúl Duke]

does anyone care?

ehh

a lot of people commit suicide, why should I care about this particular one?
Especially when this was a particularly privileged and well-off person.
depressed rich people, pfff

Also, I never met the guy; so why should I care about him?
I wouldn't have either bothered posting this up here.

[Obs]

an individual just topped himself because he was so sad. thats fucking tragic, and although he was wealthy and far away and i never knew him and there are huge injustices that overshadow this event, i do care. they day i stop caring is the day i cease to be a communist.
What the hell is this idealist bullshit?

[Palingenisis]

What the hell is this idealist bullshit?

Its important to remember that Capitalism and the culture of Imperialism also distorts and "eats" its own.

However Im not particularly moved by this news.

[El Rojo]

What the hell is this idealist bullshit?

compassion. fuck me you lot are cold. obvs there are worse things to worry about, but im not going to say i don't care if a human died for aviodable reasons

[Obs]

compassion. fuck me you lot are cold. obvs there are worse things to worry about, but im not going to say i don't care if a human died for aviodable reasons
Were you moved when Prince Charles' Royce was attacked? Surely that must have caused a lot of distress for that poor man.

[Spawn of Stalin]

The day I start caring about scumbags like this is the day I cease to be a Communist. That's right folks, I don't care! But thanks for the news anyway.

[Robocommie]

Fuck the entire Pahlavi dynasty. That said, it's not really in my nature to celebrate at anyone's death even if I see it as necessary. It's possible to do both, and so I choose to.

[gorillafuck]

What the hell is this idealist bullshit?
How is that "idealism" at all?

I'm not going to lose sleep but I do find this sad, suicide is almost always sad. It'd be different if it was the Shah, and not the Shahs son. If it was the Shah it wouldn't be sad at all.

[Palingenisis]

Were you moved when Prince Charles' Royce was attacked? Surely that must have caused a lot of distress for that poor man.

I get your point...If he had been executed by Anarchists or even Islamists I would probably to cheering it.

But at the same by oppressing and exploiting others we seriously distort and fuck up ourselves. The decadence, snobbery and cruelty of a lot of the super rich hangers on of the shah who fled Iran after the revolution there is legendary...But from what I here they also have a high suicide rate. We are striving for a classless society but allow humanity for the first time to fully realize itself, and that include what will be former members of the upper classes.

I wont attack anyone though for enjoying his demise.

[ZeroNowhere]

What the hell is this idealist bullshit?
I think that he would be far less concerned if the finite had no veritable being.


depressed rich people, pfffSilly depressed rich people, they should just go off and buy happiness.

[Rafiq]

I don't think this is relevant. At all.

I don't happen to care about the shah's son killing himself and I don't see how this benefits working class empowerment.

In this current situation, it would be much more useful to the working class if someone like Ayatollah Khamaeini shot himself in the face, in my opinion.

[brigadista]

the Pahlavi's (spits out the name) what a decadent and cruel bunch of people ....maybe i'm wrong but isn't this the second suicide?

oops just properly read Khad's post -yes second suicide - i don't care about this lot at all.

[fionntan]

Suicide victimes cross the class divide catch a grip. RIP

[Spawn of Stalin]

There's a pretty big difference between not caring and cheering suicide. This has no effect on my personal life or the class struggle, but neither does anyone's suicide really, if for example a milkman kills himself, that's sad, when a royal kills himself, I don't care but I'm not exactly jumping for joy, I literally don't care whether people like that choose to live or die, because although they are undeniably scumbags, they are insignificant.

[piet11111]

Aww the guy did not get to be king and had to off himself because life was too unfair to him.

[Obs]

Suicide victimes cross the class divide
How?

[El Rojo]

Were you moved when Prince Charles' Royce was attacked? Surely that must have caused a lot of distress for that poor man.

in fact i was cheering heartily when this happened. to clarify:

i despise the structures of repression and capitalism that dominate the planet. individual bourgeois and capitalists, as well as thier scab servants are my enemy, but i hope it will be possible to smash the system with the absolute minimum of human smashing. i find human suffering abhorant and seek to minimalise it, hence my political beliefs. the ruling class may be our enemy, but capitalism hurts them too. doubtless vastly less so than it does the proltariat, but netherless the sexist and racist societies under which we live to some mental damage to everyone, no matter what thier standing in life.

revolution to save the rich lol. never thought that i would be saying that

[Princess Luna]

did he ever denounce his fathers actions? if no , then fuck him

[Rusty Shackleford]

what about the suicides of indian farmers, japanese workers, american debtors.

why is this guy so special?

suicide sucks. yes, but i dont care to hear of one monarchist individual committing suicide if the media wants me to cry a river over him when hundreds of thousands and millions of others are forgotten.

what about the rest?

[khad]

an individual just topped himself because he was so sad. thats fucking tragic, and although he was wealthy and far away and i never knew him and there are huge injustices that overshadow this event, i do care. they day i stop caring is the day i cease to be a communist.
The day I stopped caring is the day I became a communist.

[Magón]

For everyone one of them that offs themselves, millions more have tragically done the same, who didn't need to if the situation in which they lived were recognized and actually bettered by those who "rule" them.

For the Shah's son, I say good riddance, and to everyone like him.

[synthesis]

I think it's sad only in the sense that he didn't choose that life for himself. He didn't choose to be placed in that position - of course, neither do the majority of people who commit suicide.

[Tomhet]

I can't believe 'leftists' are displaying compassion for a member of the borgeouise..
I say good riddance, death to the ruling class..

[Jack]

Do any of the people feeling sorry for his death have any idea what life under the Shah was like?

[costello1977]

Im a bit shocked to read some of the comments on this thread. Some of the posters on here glorying in this mans demise are the same men who criticise people for taking defensive actions such as the kneecapping in Belfast.

To glory in the death of someone disgusts me completely, and to be honest, I have to laugh at the fact that some of the "free" thinkers on this site are so narrow minded.

Im actually sickened by some of the parasites who have expressed joy at the death of another human being by his own hand. Sick.

[The Red Next Door]

Im a bit shocked to read some of the comments on this thread. Some of the posters on here glorying in this mans demise are the same men who criticise people for taking defensive actions such as the kneecapping in Belfast.

To glory in the death of someone disgusts me completely, and to be honest, I have to laugh at the fact that some of the "free" thinkers on this site are so narrow minded.

Im actually sickened by some of the parasites who have expressed joy at the death of another human being by his own hand. Sick.

It an anti Irish thing.

[costello1977]

It an anti Irish thing.

Far be it from me to make any accusations of bigotry.

I will put it in this context. These people are cheering at the fact this man killed himself. I would not celebrate no death at all. Not even Thatcher.

What I will say is that, as a child, I remember Billy Wright being shot dead and celebrated but not through joy, but through relief, as I am sure many did. Im sure that many Irish catholics will tell you the same.

To take joy from the death of a man at his own hand is sick minded to say the least.

[Tablo]

I can't understand rich people committing suicide. If I were rich and depressed I would just spend my money on drugs so I could be high all the time. I might eventually die from an overdose or something, but at least I wouldn't have to deal with living a "miserable" life.

[costello1977]

I can't understand rich people committing suicide. If I were rich and depressed I would just spend my money on drugs so I could be high all the time. I might eventually die from an overdose or something, but at least I wouldn't have to deal with living a "miserable" life.

So ignorance is bliss then yes?

I have to say, Im very disappointed with this position, because surely the left should be showing the rich that wealth is empty, whilst comradeship and socialism etc fulfils the spirit.

It shows a lack of maturity and understanding, to an extent, not to recognise that depression is an illness, not a trivial matter. To the same extent, had some said the same of someone with a different illness (ie ack sure take a load of drugs), I would be equally as disgusted.

[Tablo]

So ignorance is bliss then yes?

I have to say, Im very disappointed with this position, because surely the left should be showing the rich that wealth is empty, whilst comradeship and socialism etc fulfils the spirit.

It shows a lack of maturity and understanding, to an extent, not to recognise that depression is an illness, not a trivial matter. To the same extent, had some said the same of someone with a different illness (ie ack sure take a load of drugs), I would be equally as disgusted.
I recognize depression is an illness and you may attribute my response to the fact that I am high on vicodin and have a problem with drug addiction myself due to my own problems with depression. My response was stupid and I retract it, but be aware that when I made the post I stated what I would do and not what the healthy thing to do would be.

[Jack]

Leftism isn't humanism or liberalism, we don't have to make the bourgeoisie feel all cuddly inside. You have no idea what life under the Shah was like, you have no idea how much wealth this little brat grew up with, stolen from the people of Iran. Stop talking liberal bullshit, it's irritating.

[costello1977]

I recognize depression is an illness and you may attribute my response to the fact that I am high on vicodin and have a problem with drug addiction myself due to my own problems with depression. My response was stupid and I retract it, but be aware that when I made the post I stated what I would do and not what the healthy thing to do would be.

Granted. But don't be fcuking doin it yerself lad!

[Tablo]

Leftism isn't humanism or liberalism, we don't have to make the bourgeoisie feel all cuddly inside. You have no idea what life under the Shah was like, you have no idea how much wealth this little brat grew up with, stolen from the people of Iran. Stop talking liberal bullshit, it's irritating.
Totally agree.


Granted. But don't be fcuking doin it yerself lad!
Working on it. I don't want to ever completely quit, but I want to keep it manageable. Only time I ever wanted to quit was with drinking, which I now drink significantly less.

[Sir Comradical]

Self-inflicted gun-shot wound to head, damn it would suck if he got blood all over the carpet. Poor carpet.

[Niccolò Rossi]

Fuck, you people are all mental.

Nic.

[bricolage]

I can't understand rich people committing suicide. If I were rich and depressed I would just spend my money on drugs so I could be high all the time.
You ever heard of comedowns?

[robbo203]

Because I sure don't.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/0105/Suicide-of-Iran-Shah-s-son-Alireza-Pahlavi-caps-life-of-sorrow-in-exile


Well, why in that case bother to post this item? Why is it deemed important enough to mention it? Carlyle's concept of the "Great Man" view of history springs to mind. Its the same with this sick obsession with celebrity culture. Who gives a fuck if some waste-of-space rich playboy has made off with some catwalk model/singer/actress? We are constantly fed such tittle tattle and inane chit chat or, in this case , news of some son of some erstwhile politician , topping himself. The net effect is convey the impression that the world revolves around a tiny elite. For the majority it is utterly disempowering. Dont oblige them by reinforcing this practice....

[khad]

Well, why in that case bother to post this item? Why is it deemed important enough to mention it? Carlyle's concept of the "Great Man" view of history springs to mind. Its the same with this sick obsession with celebrity culture. Who gives a fuck if some waste-of-space rich playboy has made off with some catwalk model/singer/actress? We are constantly fed such tittle tattle and inane chit chat or, in this case , news of some son of some erstwhile politician , topping himself. The net effect is convey the impression that the world revolves around a tiny elite. For the majority it is utterly disempowering. Dont oblige them by reinforcing this practice....

Not including this post, my wordcount in this topic: 16

your wordcount: 113

You sure give a lot of attention to something that was at most an afterthought for me.

[Tablo]

You ever heard of comedowns?
Yeah... I don't have real bad comedowns except when I use stimulants.

[bricolage]

Yeah... I don't have real bad comedowns except when I use stimulants.
I reckon if you jacked yourself full of enough drugs to be 'high all the time' the 'all the time' wouldn't really last 'all the time' and at the end of it you'd have one hell of a comedown.
I also don't think you can drug yourself into happiness, emotions are (thankfully) a lot more complicated than that.

[Tablo]

I reckon if you jacked yourself full of enough drugs to be 'high all the time' the 'all the time' wouldn't really last 'all the time' and at the end of it you'd have one hell of a comedown.
I also don't think you can drug yourself into happiness, emotions are (thankfully) a lot more complicated than that.
Yeah, if I had maintained a long term high on heroin or vicodin then I would probably kill myself. I've never done that except on stimulants though and even then it wasn't that long term.

[bricolage]

Yeah, if I had maintained a long term high on heroin or vicodin then I would probably kill myself. I've never done that except on stimulants though and even then it wasn't that long term.
I think my point was just that you can't be high all the time, whatever drugs you use. Soon or later you have to come down (pun intended).

[Tablo]

I think my point was just that you can't be high all the time, whatever drugs you use. Soon or later you have to come down (pun intended).
That's a good point. unless you never came down because you overdosed and died.. but that kinda counts as suicide, though accidental.

[bricolage]

That's a good point. unless you never came down because you overdosed and died.. but that kinda counts as suicide, though accidental.
Yeah that too.
To be honest I don't think either is a very good option.

[Tablo]

Yeah that too.
To be honest I don't think either is a very good option.
Yeah, I think we can both agree on that.

[Luís Henrique]

I am a Communist, and I do care.

Poor guy, he thought he was going to be King of Persia, and he had to discover that his family was just a disfunctional family like any other - like the shoemaker's across the street, or the mudjahedeen's his father's regime tortured to death.

And now he is dead, and while he may have a bigger tomb than any of us, he is going to rot like a commoner, like a pariah, like a shotdown terrorist.

Luckily God doesn't exist, and there isn't a hell, so his remains will be in peace with earth and worms, as it should be.

Luís Henrique

[Jack]

I am a Communist, and I do care.

Poor guy, he thought he was going to be King of Persia, and he had to discover that his family was just a disfunctional family like any other - like the shoemaker's across the street, or the mudjahedeen's his father's regime tortured to death.

And now he is dead, and while he may have a bigger tomb than any of us, he is going to rot like a commoner, like a pariah, like a shotdown terrorist.

Luckily God doesn't exist, and there isn't a hell, so his remains will be in peace with earth and worms, as it should be.

Luís Henrique

I'm not going to become Shah either, should I off myself right now, then?

[#FF0000]

ya'll are so

















dumb

[Luís Henrique]

I'm not going to become Shah either, should I off myself right now, then?

Were you raised to believe in that?

Luís Henrique

[Hit The North]

I wish more members of his class would do the same. It'd save us a job.

[Jack]

Were you raised to believe in that?

Luís Henrique

I was raised to believe that, one day, I could be president. :rolleyes:

[costello1977]

I wish more members of his class would do the same. It'd save us a job.

More like do the job for yas lol

All this talk and I see some posters hypocrisy. Firstly, Im not in anyway defending these scum bags, because I hate the rich as well, but how come you (pl) will support the idea of the rich being dealt with, but not the people who torture communities? How come you don't then support punishment in that situation, but you do for this?

Hypocrits!

[Luís Henrique]

I wish more members of his class would do the same. It'd save us a job.

The problem is, it wouldn't. We have to deal with them. Suicides and accidental deaths won't do it.

Luís Henrique

[Hit The North]

The problem is, it wouldn't. We have to deal with them. Suicides and accidental deaths won't do it.

Luís Henrique

Yeah, I was being boisterously flippant - hence the 'it'd save us a job' remark. Nevertheless, if the ruling class was struck by a collective malady which prompted them to leap from the windows of their penthouses, what a lovely period in human history that would be!

I hope that the thwarted ambition and the crushing feelings of disappointment which prompted the Shah's son to administer the people's justice and dispense with himself is visited on yet many more of his kind.

You can quote me.

[Crux]

Yeah, I was being boisterously flippant - hence the 'it'd save us a job' remark. Nevertheless, if the ruling class was struck by a collective malady which prompted them to leap from the windows of their penthouses, what a lovely period in human history that would be!

I hope that the thwarted ambition and the crushing feelings of disappointment which prompted the Shah's son to administer the people's justice and dispense with himself is visited on yet many more of his kind.

You can quote me.
Suicides in the ruling class create chaos, not necessarily progress. A distinction worth remembering. If an individual member of the ruling class off's themselves someone worse might take their place.

[Hit The North]

Chaos within the ruling class is progress, comrade.

[Bright Banana Beard]

Answer to the OP. Yes, there is someone that care about his death. Luckily, I do not care about him.

[Crux]

Chaos within the ruling class is progress, comrade.
It might give an opportunity for progress. It might also give an opportunity to the reaction.

[The Red Next Door]

The only suicide, I would ever care about would be in people of my own class, friends, family. This is proof that wealth do not bring happiness and this was just a spoiled brat, who did not realize that, he is the shah. Everyone who are rich are shahs. They control the government, the military, the police, and foreign policy.

This rich fuck, off himself for no reason, and for you people who is going"oh poor guy". How about you save it for people who are actually suffering from these shahs rules.

Poor excuses, poor excuses indeed.

[Niccolò Rossi]

Yeah, I was being boisterously flippant - hence the 'it'd save us a job' remark. Nevertheless, if the ruling class was struck by a collective malady which prompted them to leap from the windows of their penthouses, what a lovely period in human history that would be!

Come on Bob, I really expected better of you than this. Capital is a social relation. And just as we know you can't blow up a social relation, in the same sense, herding the bourgeoisie into death camps or having them do that job for us would not bring humanity any closer to communism.

Nic.

[Niccolò Rossi]

Answer to the OP. Yes, there is someone that care about his death. Luckily, I do not care about him.

Obviously like most of the other morons in this thread, you care enough to post about it...


The only suicide, I would ever care about would be in people of my own class, friends, family. This is proof that wealth do not bring happiness and this was just a spoiled brat, who did not realize that, he is the shah. Everyone who are rich are shahs. They control the government, the military, the police, and foreign policy.

This rich fuck, off himself for no reason, and for you people who is going"oh poor guy". How about you save it for people who are actually suffering from these shahs rules.

Poor excuses, poor excuses indeed.

Same goes for you. I want the thirty seconds it took me to read that shit back.

Nic.

[The Red Next Door]

Obviously like most of the other morons in this thread, you care enough to post about it...



Same goes for you. I want the thirty seconds it took me to read that shit back.

Nic.

No, Go play with yourself, you silly liberal.

[Hit The North]

Come on Bob, I really expected better of you than this. Capital is a social relation. And just as we know you can't blow up a social relation, in the same sense, herding the bourgeoisie into death camps or having them do that job for us would not bring humanity any closer to communism.

Nic.

Come on, Nic, grow a sense of humour! Who's calling for herding anyone into death camps? Not me.

I expected better of you than this display of watery-eyed liberal sentimentality for a class enemy.

[Luís Henrique]

Was this guy a class enemy?

Certainly. A broken and defeated one, but still. His death doesn't put us any closer to any objective we may have, though, unless we can make a coherent discourse - or for those so inclined, "narrative" - about it. And this would have to include a denouncement of how monarchy destroys the personalities of even those supposed to benefit from it. "Good riddance, he deserved it" isn't such discourse, or part of it. It only makes us look as religious idiots, believing that some God, or Logos, or imanent justice, may be taking away our enemies for us.

Thing is that the way people die makes a lot of difference. Gabrielle Giffords is no less a class enemy than this Pahlavi guy. Arguably, she is even more of that, since she has actual power, which Pahlavi had no more, and is linked to much more powerful sectors of the ruling class than Pahlavi was. But neither were killed in conscious acts of rebellion by the working class; one was killed by more radical factions aligned in defence of capitalism, the other killed himself out of depression. Other class enemies die accidental deaths or of disease, age, etc. There is a reason they are a class: they reproduce themselves as a class, so that any of them are quickly replaced.

Luís Henrique

[Niccolò Rossi]

Come on, Nic, grow a sense of humour! Who's calling for herding anyone into death camps? Not me.

I expected better of you than this display of watery-eyed liberal sentimentality for a class enemy.

I'm certiainly not watery eyed* and I'm not sure where any 'liberal sentimentality' shows through in my post. I thought I was making a serious political point against this kind of bloodlust you see from teenage maoists and tankies. I mean after all, you did imply that the bourgeoisie killing itself en masse would be 'doing the job for us'...

* Nor am I throwing a party celebrating the bloke blowing his brains out... At the end of the day I didn't post this story up on the forum. Khad was the one interested enough to do so. The death of this or that celebrity really doesn't concern me.

Nic.

[bricolage]

the emancipation of the working class must be the act of the suicidal bourgeoisie themselves.

[Hit The North]

I'm certiainly not watery eyed* and I'm not sure where any 'liberal sentimentality' shows through in my post. I thought I was making a serious political point against this kind of bloodlust you see from teenage maoists and tankies. I mean after all, you did imply that the bourgeoisie killing itself en masse would be 'doing the job for us'...


I did, but it was a throw-away comment, not a political analysis :rolleyes:.


* Nor am I throwing a party celebrating the bloke blowing his brains out...

Nic.But if you did, I would definitely come. :)

When Thatcher dies, I'm gonna spend at least a fortnight under some bar room table, drunker and happier than I've been in a long time.


Originally post by bricolage
the emancipation of the working class must be the act of the suicidal bourgeoisie themselves. :lol:

[khad]

When Thatcher dies, I'm gonna spend at least a fortnight under some bar room table, drunker and happier than I've been in a long time.
Make sure you rub it in for good measure.

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