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ed miliband
4th January 2011, 15:36
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,737471,00.html

Hitler salutes in the street and firing practice in the forest: Neo-Nazis have taken over an entire village in Germany, and authorities appear to have given up efforts to combat the problem. The place has come to symbolize the far right's growing influence in parts of the former communist east.


Horst and Birgit Lohmeyer have been working on their life's dream for six years, renovating a house in the woods near Jamel, a tiny village near Wismar in the far northeastern German state of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania. Birgit Lohmeyer writes crime novels, her husband is a musician, and both try to pretend everything is normal here in Jamel.



It wasn't easy to find their new home. The Lohmeyers spent months driving out to the countryside every weekend, heading east from where they lived in Hamburg, but most of the houses they saw were too expensive. Then they came across the inexpensive red brick farmhouse in Jamel. Slightly run-down, but not far from the Baltic Sea, the house sits surrounded by lime and maple trees, near a lake.

The Lohmeyers knew that a notorious neo-Nazi lived nearby -- Sven Krüger, a demolition contractor and high-level member of the far-right National Democratic Party (NPD). What the Lohmeyers didn't know was that other neighbors felt terrorized by Krüger. He and his associates were in the process of buying up the entire village.


Jamel is an example of the far-right problem that has plagued Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania for years. The rural region, once part of communist East Germany, has a poor reputation in this regard -- the NPD, which glorifies the Third Reich, has been in the state parliament since 2006 and neo-Nazi crimes are part of daily life. In recent months, a series of attacks against politicians from all the democratic parties has shaken the state. Sometimes hardly a week goes by without an attack on another electoral district office, with paint bombs, right-wing graffiti and broken windows.


Norbert Nieszery, leader of the center-left Social Democratic Party (SPD) in the state parliament, calls it an "early form of terror." Nieszery's own office windows have been smashed twice. State Interior Minister Lorenz Caffier of the center-right Christian Democratic Union (CDU) says he has registered a "new level" of right-wing extremist violence. He believes the NPD is trying to raise its profile through aggressive behavior ahead of the state parliament election in September. One local mayor requested police protection after receiving repeated right-wing threats. The Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, Germany's domestic intelligence agency, has warned that the NPD is becoming increasingly influential in local municipalities and that the neo-Nazis are trying to entrench themselves in daily life.

Mounting Concern About Far-Right Influence


Nowhere have they succeeded as well as in Jamel. If the right-wing extremists left, the village would be empty. Jamel is no longer just a problem at the regional or federal state level -- even Berlin is growing concerned about the situation.


SPD member Wolfgang Thierse, vice president of Germany's federal parliament, the Bundestag, visited the village a few months ago. He spent half an hour in the Lohmeyers' living room and promised to support them in their fight against the neo-Nazis. So far, nothing has changed. Jamel has come to symbolize the fact that there are places in Germany where right-wing extremists can do virtually whatever they want.


When the Lohmeyers moved here in 2004, they started to fix up their country house and to make contact with the neighbors -- although not with the neo-Nazi Krüger. They were sure right-wing extremists wouldn't be the only people in Jamel.


Only gradually did they realize just where they had ended up. Plaster crumbled from many of the houses in the village and one roof had collapsed completely. Beer bottles, car tires and gas canisters were littered behind the bus stop. There were metal fences surrounding some properties and attack dogs strained against their chains in the front yards. No one bothered to remove the swastika scribbled on the sign at the entrance to the village.

Children Giving Hitler Salute


There were young men with shaved heads and army trousers in the village and Nazi rock music could be heard from across the fields on the weekends. Shots sounded from the woods, where the neo-Nazis practiced their shooting -- police later found bullet casings in trenches there. When the Lohmeyers walked through the village, children raised their hands in the Nazi salute.


Krüger has shaped the village. He grew up here, with a father who was known as a right-wing radical and who used to make his son salute each morning in the snow. Young Krüger was an outsider at school, an acquaintance remembers, and didn't find friends until he joined the skinhead scene. As a young man, he incited right-wing thugs to attack a campsite and spent time in pre-trial detention on suspicion of burglary. Still, for a long time, the Krügers were the only neo-Nazis in the village.


"Now," says Horst Lohmeyer, "they see Jamel as a 'nationally liberated zone'" -- a neo-Nazi term for places foreigners and those of foreign descent must fear to tread. The extremists took over the village in just a few years. They now own seven of the 10 houses and have driven out anyone who couldn't come to terms with them. They battered down doors and broke windows, slashed tires, flew the German imperial war flag and celebrated Hitler's birthday. In the 1990s, they stuck dead chickens on one family's garden fence with the warning, "We'll smoke you out."


The village emptied and Krüger encouraged his right-wing friends to buy the available houses. Few others dared to venture into Jamel anymore. Neo-Nazis greeted one couple that wanted to move there with "Piss off" -- and the couple's house burned down shortly before they planned to move in. One new property owner dared to set foot in the village only accompanied by police.


The Lohmeyers have made it their life's work not to let themselves be driven out of Jamel. Each year, they host a rock festival on a field behind their house. Governor Erwin Sellering of the SPD has been patron of the festival since 2009. Police fence in the area and guard the entrance, and in past years, things remained largely calm.

Help is Far Away


This summer, though, neo-Nazis jumped over the fence, yelling slurs and attacking concertgoers. Police stepped in and stopped the troublemakers. But police can't always protect the Lohmeyers -- the nearest station is 12 kilometers away.


Horst Lohmeyer sits in his kitchen, bent over a map, and runs his finger along the roads and through the towns -- Gressow, Neu Degtow, Grevesmühlen. It takes a quarter of an hour to reach the nearest police station. When Krüger got married this summer, the village was inundated with several hundred right-wing extremists from Germany, the Netherlands and Switzerland, including a number of high-ranking NPD politicians such as Stefan Köster, NPD party head for Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania.


Jamel has become a right-wing pilgrimage site -- they come from all over Europe to see the village where neo-Nazis call the shots. They celebrated Krüger's wedding until late in the night, with nationalist rock music and fireworks. The Lohmeyers lay awake in bed, frozen with fear.


Mayor Uwe Wandel is helpless in the face of the right-wing movement in his community. He sounds bitter when he talks about Jamel. "The police, the authorities, no one dares to intervene," he says. "The Nazis are laughing in our faces." Wandel says he has repeatedly asked the state government for help. The interior minister and a parliamentary delegation came by one time, he adds. "They stayed for 20 minutes, expressed concern -- then they left again."

No One Responsible


Jamel has become a lawless place, Wandel complains, and the authorities don't take decisive enough action against the right-wing extremists. He says Krüger is allowed to dump demolition waste and burn trash in the village with impunity. The head of the department of public order in nearby Grevesmühlen says higher-level officials at the district level need to tackle the problem. They in turn say the local authority is responsible for Jamel.
Krüger, meanwhile, has much bigger plans. He has been a member of the district council for the NPD since 2009 and has bought parts of a concrete factory in Grevesmühlen, which he uses for his NPD office and his demolition company. The company logo shows the outline of a Star of David being smashed; the slogan is, "We do the dirty work." Barbed wire encloses the factory premises and dogs bark. A sign above the entrance reads, "Better dead than a slave." Krüger prefers not to comment on the accusations against him. All he says is, "Nothing that's written about me is true. I don't stand a chance against the system."



Krüger has hired new employees in the last few months. He gets contracts from fellow members of the far-right scene, but also from local businesses. Mayor Wandel says he's appalled by how far these right-wing structures now extend. "I'm afraid of a second, third, fourth Jamel," he says.

Neo-Nazis placed a boulder at the entrance to the village. A plaque attached to the rock reads, "Village of Jamel - free, social, national." Signs next to it point the way to Hitler's birthplace ("Braunau am Inn 855 km") and to the formerly German cities of Breslau (now Wroclaw in Poland) and Königsberg (now Kaliningrad, Russia). No one has removed the rock. "We've given up on Jamel," Wandel says.


Only the Lohmeyers are left.


If this was a village in the US south, inhabited by Christian fundamentalists rather than neo-Nazis, I'm sure we'd have a Louis Theroux documentary to enjoy right now.

Nolan
4th January 2011, 15:38
They talk about growing right-wing influence in the former DDR, but isn't it the same all over Germany?

manic expression
4th January 2011, 15:51
They talk about growing right-wing influence in the former DDR, but isn't it the same all over Germany?
Yes, but it's definitely strongest in the east.

ed miliband
4th January 2011, 15:52
They talk about growing right-wing influence in the former DDR, but isn't it the same all over Germany?

I think so, yeah. Across Europe in general, particularly in the form of groups claiming to be opposed to Islamic extremism.

Delenda Carthago
4th January 2011, 18:10
I wonder if there is still even drops of revolutionary Left in Germany...
A country with huge history and one of the most opressed working classes in Europe cannot have a mothafuckin DieLinke as the main Left party!!!

KurtFF8
4th January 2011, 18:13
Yes, but it's definitely strongest in the east.

Which is such a shame, especially considering that there's so much nostalgia about the former socialist states in the East as well. Granted that nostalgia doesn't necessarily equate to "well let's organize and bring it back" because we have also seen a general trend of the former ruling parties being quite weak in most cases (and sometimes even becoming social democratic parties).

It is interesting to see the former SED being a major player in Die Linke however.

I certainly hope that the trend of right wing groups can be countered by some serious working class movements eventually. The blow to the working classes of the East has yet to recover, and this crisis doesn't seem to have proven itself as an "opportunity" for that kind of organizing in the East (although I will have to admit that my knowledge of the current state of that organizing is a bit limited, but this is just what it seems like to me)

Nolan
4th January 2011, 18:19
Yes, but it's definitely strongest in the east.

The east still has a weaker economy than the west, so I think what we're seeing in Germany is a polarization while the economy crumbles, since you also see a lot of DDR nostalgia.

Catillina
4th January 2011, 18:34
I wonder if there is still even drops of revolutionary Left in Germany...
A country with huge history and one of the most opressed working classes in Europe cannot have a mothafuckin DieLinke as the main Left party!!!

Yeah there are ;) Berlin and Hamburg are centers of revolutionnary Leftist, and Germany isnt empty at all off Leftwing people.
There is still hope.

thälmann
4th January 2011, 19:15
yes. the problem is a little bit bigger in the east, but western cities like dortmund have also parts of cities were naziflags flying outside the window.

the problem in the german left is not that there are not enough militant antifascists, it is the problem that the left has no real revolutionary potential, and is no alternative for the lower class. die linke is like the spd in the 70s, the dkp is totally revisionist and reformist, the same could be said in practice about the mlpd.
and the autonomous and anarchist area is more a subculture,and big parts of it are influenced by the antigermans and so on. . very different especially from greece.

Palingenisis
4th January 2011, 19:24
the problem in the german left is not that there are not enough militant antifascists, it is the problem that the left has no real revolutionary potential, and is no alternative for the lower class. die linke is like the spd in the 70s, the dkp is totally revisionist and reformist, the same could be said in practice about the mlpd.
and the autonomous and anarchist area is more a subculture,and big parts of it are influenced by the antigermans and so on. . very different especially from greece.

I have heard criticism of the MLPD because of their lack of support for the armed struggle in India...Are there any Revolutionary Communist groups in Germany at the moment worthy of full respect?

thälmann
4th January 2011, 19:41
the mlpd only supports the peoples war of phillipines, but thats not the problem. my experiance with them is, that tey are totally legalistic in practice, and right opportunist in theorie.
they are groups or local organisations in germany, which i would describe as communist in a revolutionary sence. but not a countrywide oranisation or party. but there are some good turkish partys very aktive in germany, like the mlkp or others.

Delenda Carthago
4th January 2011, 22:11
yes. the problem is a little bit bigger in the east, but western cities like dortmund have also parts of cities were naziflags flying outside the window.

the problem in the german left is not that there are not enough militant antifascists, it is the problem that the left has no real revolutionary potential, and is no alternative for the lower class. die linke is like the spd in the 70s, the dkp is totally revisionist and reformist, the same could be said in practice about the mlpd.
and the autonomous and anarchist area is more a subculture,and big parts of it are influenced by the antigermans and so on. . very different especially from greece.
I know.Thats what I m sayin. Germany's working class deserves better than a DieLinke or an antideutch! The whole world needs a better germany left.

Widerstand
4th January 2011, 22:45
They talk about growing right-wing influence in the former DDR, but isn't it the same all over Germany?


Yes, but it's definitely strongest in the east.

While it's certainly true that there are more Neo-Nazi's in the Eastern region, there's a definite correlation between unemployment and Neo-Nazi presence, and as the Ruhr Valley, Germany's industrial center, is in a state of decline since some years now, there are Neo-Nazi groups seizing entire villages in West-Germany, too (as comrade thälmann noted).


I think so, yeah. Across Europe in general, particularly in the form of groups claiming to be opposed to Islamic extremism.

If I hear that fucking abomination of a word ("extremism")again I'm going to puke all over the keyboard. Shit is first class state propaganda that has almost succeeded to equate revolutionary leftism with fascism and Islamic fundamentalism in the mainstream perception.


It is interesting to see the former SED being a major player in Die Linke however.

Interesting only in so far as that Stalin's USSR could well be considered Ultraleft in comparison to the SED's rule in the DDR.


Yeah there are ;) Berlin and Hamburg are centers of revolutionnary Leftist, and Germany isnt empty at all off Leftwing people.
There is still hope.

Don't forget the revolutionary stronghold of Heidelberg, which is so dangerous that they have to spy on student groups (I mean, the SDS, really?).


I have heard criticism of the MLPD because of their lack of support for the armed struggle in India...Are there any Revolutionary Communist groups in Germany at the moment worthy of full respect?

I'm pretty sure Germans care about whether or not some group supports armed struggles in India while there are Nazis patrolling the streets.



they are groups or local organisations in germany, which i would describe as communist in a revolutionary sence. but not a countrywide oranisation or party. but there are some good turkish partys very aktive in germany, like the mlkp or others.

What's your opinion of the interventionistische Linke? True they're not strictly "communist", I suppose, and they are rather low profile too, but they do have active sections all over Germany and actively engage in country-wide organizing.


I know.Thats what I m sayin. Germany's working class deserves better than a DieLinke or an antideutch! The whole world needs a better germany left.

You portray it as if Die Linke was somehow special amongst the blubber of bourgeois parties that circulate the German parliament. It isn't.
And the Anti-Germans are by far not as big as some make it out to be, and certainly not all of them are Bahamas-clones. In fact the biggest problem related to Anti-Germans is the ongoing split of the German militant left.

Delenda Carthago
4th January 2011, 22:56
I know they are not anything special.They just claim "TheLeft". And thats what I m sayin. Its too bad that in their place theres not a real Left party.

Sasha
5th January 2011, 00:20
Don't forget the revolutionary stronghold of Heidelberg, which is so dangerous that they have to spy on student groups (I mean, the SDS, really?).

hey, that famous 2nd of june bomb in the jewish cultural center was planted by the then SDS presidents brother (and admititly suplied by the secret service :rolleyes:)

thälmann
5th January 2011, 00:26
the so called "interventionistische linke" has active sections around the country. but they are not a communist or revolutionary organisation. but they have groups inside which are very good.

scourge007
5th January 2011, 05:16
I guess Glenn Beck needs to fire his research staff because they were dead wrong about communists popping up all over Europe. Its more like his fellow Nazis are.:lol:

Die Neue Zeit
5th January 2011, 05:18
die linke is like the spd in the 70s


Germany's working class deserves better than a DieLinke or an antideutch!


I know they are not anything special.They just claim "TheLeft". And thats what I m sayin. Its too bad that in their place theres not a real Left party.

What a way to start the New Year: Die Linke bashing! :glare:

Programmatically, Die Linke is like the SPD of the inter-war Heidelberg program, when it was still officially mentioning Marx and Engels while conducting the practices of a typical bourgeois workers party. It is not like the SPD from the immediate post-war years onward.

The German proletariat does deserve better than either Die Linke or the anti-Germans, but if there's enough momentum within Die Linke to provide an alternative culture to the working-class public at large, that will be too huge a step to ignore considering the history of the pre-war SPD.

Widerstand
5th January 2011, 07:44
hey, that famous 2nd of june bomb in the jewish cultural center was planted by the then SDS presidents brother (and admititly suplied by the secret service :rolleyes:)

The 70's SDS is not the current SDS. The 70's SDS did indeed have a few inspiring radicals (even though their concept of bringing about change was utter shit). The old SDS was originally the student organization of the SPD, but split from them over political reasons. The current SDS is a student group associated with Die Linke (which reflects in their full name, Die Linke.SDS), and is about as much a threat as any other German student group (though of course, there are some militant radicals in the SDS, I'd say the organization itself is pretty much harmless in any sense of the word).


The German proletariat does deserve better than either Die Linke or the anti-Germans, but if there's enough momentum within Die Linke to provide an alternative culture to the working-class public at large, that will be too huge a step to ignore considering the history of the pre-war SPD.

What is this alternative culture you're speaking of? If alternative culture really was so crucial you would guess the Autonomous scene to be spearheading the revolution right now.

Palingenisis
5th January 2011, 12:34
What is this alternative culture you're speaking of? If alternative culture really was so crucial you would guess the Autonomous scene to be spearheading the revolution right now.

There are not the conditions for revolution in any first world countries at the moment (and yes I believe that the first world proletariat is exploited)...But the autonomous movement because it did care about such things as "alternative culture" and had a more "wholistic" view of struggle than the economist left was the most interesting movement to appear in the west (outside of Proletarian Left in France) in the post war year IMHO. Im going to start reading up on it properly over the weekend....But it does seem to have very much degenerated.

Widerstand
5th January 2011, 12:55
But the autonomous movement because it did care about such things as "alternative culture" and had a more "wholistic" view of struggle

Unfortunately, movements emphasizing on "alternative culture" always run risk of isolating themselves from society.


But it does seem to have very much degenerated.

It certainly has in Germany: Large parts of the older Autonomen quit and went back to "traditional", bourgeois forms of life (which has brought the Autonomen the reputation of being a one generation movement), a problem often associated with burnout caused by repression and the fact that many life forms were highly experminantal and didn't quite work out. Then of course there was the anti-feminist backlash, which lead to many women leaving mixed groups and forming their own, closed groups (still a prevalent trend as far as gender issues are concerned) - which interestingly led to many straight men joining gay groups in issues about sexuality. And of course there's also the Anti-German/Anti-Imperialist split. It's really a shame that such issues manage to split a movement that has previously done as much as uniting Leftists of all branches, even Leninists and Anarchists.

Die Neue Zeit
5th January 2011, 14:20
But the autonomous movement because it did care about such things as "alternative culture" and had a more "wholistic" view of struggle than the economist left


Unfortunately, movements emphasizing on "alternative culture" always run risk of isolating themselves from society.

It certainly has in Germany: Large parts of the older Autonomen quit and went back to "traditional", bourgeois forms of life (which has brought the Autonomen the reputation of being a one generation movement), a problem often associated with burnout caused by repression and the fact that many life forms were highly experminantal and didn't quite work out.

I think Palingenisis is confusing alternative culture with Situationism.

Alternative culture: cultural societies, recreational clubs, funeral homes, food banks, etc. These were the organizations that typified the pre-war SPD itself, and this is where Die Linke needs to go to break its 10% polling impasse, not the poisoned chalice road of coalitionism.

Situationism seems to be a revival of Utopian Socialism, but in an urban setting.

ed miliband
5th January 2011, 15:09
I think Palingenisis is confusing alternative culture with Situationism.

Alternative culture: cultural societies, recreational clubs, funeral homes, food banks, etc. These were the organizations that typified the pre-war SPD itself, and this is where Die Linke needs to go to break its 10% polling impasse, not the poisoned chalice road of coalitionism.

Situationism seems to be a revival of Utopian Socialism, but in an urban setting.

Situationism is to Utopian Socialism as whiskey is to condensed milk.

Delenda Carthago
5th January 2011, 17:07
I guess Glenn Beck needs to fire his research staff because they were dead wrong about communists popping up all over Europe. Its more like his fellow Nazis are.:lol:
By far the Left is much bigger in Europe than nazis...At least, in Western Europe.

Rooster
5th January 2011, 17:20
By far the Left is much bigger in Europe than nazis...At least, in Western Europe.

For truth.

KurtFF8
5th January 2011, 19:09
By far the Left is much bigger in Europe than nazis...At least, in Western Europe.

Indeed, but this growing trend over the past (15-20 years?) is something that should obviously concern us. We shouldn't just Glenn Beck all over the place and assume this means within the next 2 years there will be fascism in Europe again, but we should keep an eye on those developments.

Especially in the East where it seems that the nostalgia for the "good old days" has yet to translate to any actual benefit for Leftist organizing (and of course it's possible that the nature of that nostalgia isn't something that will ever translate into a revived Left)

Omi
5th January 2011, 19:48
Some users are claiming that this development is due to the rise of the far right in the whole of Europe, but some things bother me about this hypothesis.

In Holland, the size of the hardline neo-nazi partys and the size of their following stands in direct relation to the size of the parliamentary far right. Back in the days of the Centrumpartij(think BNP) the neo-nazi scene was quite small. Then the Centrumpartij got disbanded, a lot of fuzz, and gave rise to the modern neo-nazi factions we have today. They grew quite a lot bigger during the 90's, (due to some (sub)cultural developments aswell). But now, with the rise of Geert Wilders, the neo-nazis seem to have disappeared altogether(although they are never gone, dont get me wrong!).

How does the rise in the parliamentary far right all across Europe correlate to the situation in Germany with the continued growth of the neo-nazi scene? Is this situation diffrent in Germany?

Maybe some of the German posters would care to elaborate, this is something that has been buggin me for quite some time.

Widerstand
5th January 2011, 22:05
How does the rise in the parliamentary far right all across Europe correlate to the situation in Germany with the continued growth of the neo-nazi scene? Is this situation diffrent in Germany?

Maybe some of the German posters would care to elaborate, this is something that has been buggin me for quite some time.

I'm not exactly sure what you are asking.

How does it correlate? In what sense?

The parliamentary far-right grows in Germany, the old right parties lose votes (CDU/CSU).

I'd say the Neo-Nazi scene is pretty independent of that, but then again there may be an observable radicalization of former CDU/CSU voters, idk.

What can be said however, is that the rise of the far right in the rest of Europe is certainly not the cause for the rise of the far right in Germany. However, I would assume that there is a common cause for the rise of the far right in Europe (including Germany).

Zanthorus
5th January 2011, 22:15
Situationism seems to be a revival of Utopian Socialism, but in an urban setting.

From what I remember the Situationists had a fairly clear orientation towards the working-class which I think is the essential point differentiating 'scientific' from 'utopian' socialism.

Omi
5th January 2011, 23:21
I'm not exactly sure what you are asking.

How does it correlate? In what sense?

The parliamentary far-right grows in Germany, the old right parties lose votes (CDU/CSU).

I'd say the Neo-Nazi scene is pretty independent of that, but then again there may be an observable radicalization of former CDU/CSU voters, idk.

What can be said however, is that the rise of the far right in the rest of Europe is certainly not the cause for the rise of the far right in Germany. However, I would assume that there is a common cause for the rise of the far right in Europe (including Germany).

What I meant to ask was if the growth/shrinking of the nazi scene in Germany was related to the growth and shrinking of parliamentary far right parties. In Holland it does: Whenever a far right parliamentary party gets big, the neo nazis loose their main base of organising. This is also vice versa: Whenever there is a vaccum that is left to fill regarding anti-immigrant propaganda etc the neo-nazis gain more numbers. I was wondering if this is the case in Germany too? Because throughout Europe the parliamentary far right is growing, and in other countries (such as Holland) this has led to a decline of neo-nazi activity. Is this also the case in Germany, and if so, how do people explain the rise of neo-nazi activity that seems to occur. Every year the Dresden demo gets bigger and similar demonstration such as the anti-kriegstag gain more and more numbers. At least, that is wat I last heard when visition Germany.

I hope I have made myself clear a bit, I am not really that great in English to be honest and this is a pretty complex question to ask(at least for me:lol:).

Die Neue Zeit
6th January 2011, 02:28
From what I remember the Situationists had a fairly clear orientation towards the working-class which I think is the essential point differentiating 'scientific' from 'utopian' socialism.

So who are the folks into communal housing, cooperatives, etc. but not subscribing to the anarchist (sub-)tendency of Lifestylism?

Widerstand
6th January 2011, 06:52
What I meant to ask was if the growth/shrinking of the nazi scene in Germany was related to the growth and shrinking of parliamentary far right parties. In Holland it does: Whenever a far right parliamentary party gets big, the neo nazis loose their main base of organising. This is also vice versa: Whenever there is a vaccum that is left to fill regarding anti-immigrant propaganda etc the neo-nazis gain more numbers. I was wondering if this is the case in Germany too? Because throughout Europe the parliamentary far right is growing, and in other countries (such as Holland) this has led to a decline of neo-nazi activity. Is this also the case in Germany, and if so, how do people explain the rise of neo-nazi activity that seems to occur. Every year the Dresden demo gets bigger and similar demonstration such as the anti-kriegstag gain more and more numbers. At least, that is wat I last heard when visition Germany.

I hope I have made myself clear a bit, I am not really that great in English to be honest and this is a pretty complex question to ask(at least for me:lol:).

Ah, yeah. Well, I don't think so. I mean there may be an oscillation between parliamentary far right and Neo-Nazi groups in Germany, but it would be rather small. The trend overall seems to be that both are growing, with varying speed.

Part of why this may be different in other countries is the absence of a right-populist party in Germany. The NPD (and the DVU) are rooted in the Neo-Nazi scene, so if they win more votes that doesn't mean a few Neo-Nazis took on a more "moderate" stance, but rather that there are more Neo-Nazis.


So who are the folks into communal housing, cooperatives, etc. but not subscribing to the anarchist (sub-)tendency of Lifestylism?

Autonomous Marxists, and Autonomen in general. As well as environmentalists of all sort, hippies, random artists, normal "alternative lifestyle" working class folks, etc.

Communal housing and cooperatives aren't really an Anarchist thing, they are lifestyles, and lifestyles aren't confined to "Lifestylism."

Die Neue Zeit
6th January 2011, 14:26
From what I remember the Situationists had a fairly clear orientation towards the working-class which I think is the essential point differentiating 'scientific' from 'utopian' socialism.

So who are the folks into communal housing, cooperatives, etc. but not subscribing to the anarchist (sub-)tendency of Lifestylism?

Autonomous Marxists, and Autonomen in general. As well as environmentalists of all sort, hippies, random artists, normal "alternative lifestyle" working class folks, etc.

Communal housing and cooperatives aren't really an Anarchist thing, they are lifestyles, and lifestyles aren't confined to "Lifestylism."

So just to get things straight:

Utopianism -> Autonomen (communal housing, coops, etc.)

And on the other hand:

Alternative Culture (cultural societies, recreational clubs, funeral homes, etc.) -> Situationism

???

[And if such is so, then my apologies to the Situationists.]

Omi
6th January 2011, 20:19
I thought the situationists had more to do with the commodification of everyday life, leading to the alienation of society as a whole and the alienation between social interactions. They were a philosophical brand of Marxism and had very little to do with lifestylism.

Delenda Carthago
6th January 2011, 21:20
Dont get it twisted.Autonomy means 3 different things in the Left.

There is the french autonomy, created by Cornelious Castoriades.

There is the italian/proletarian autonomy, like Negri,Bifo,Red Brigades etc.

There is german autonomy, which you all know what it is...

So dont use the name "autonomy" like its a certain thing.

Montag451
7th January 2011, 16:27
How is the parliamentary far right growing in Germany? First of all, there is none, at least not in the state parliament. Maybe there are some smaller gains in provincial parliament but these things are minor. Especially compared to,let's say, Jobbik in Hungary.

Die Linke may not be a full blown revolutionary party but it holds many revolutionary and far left tendencies within. They are not your usual social democrat party, especially not of the modern sort. I would dare say they are the strongest non-third way left party in the EU. It certainly has potential,so rather than criticizing it,try to direct it in the right way, if you are able in any way.

Germany also has a strong militant antifascist movement, so i would assume they will be afressing the problem of this town very soon.
The sooner the better, these nazi areas are now still a curiosity but if they are not crushed in their infancy they could become a widespread movement.

Vladimir Innit Lenin
7th January 2011, 20:00
First they came for the Jews...

FreeEire
7th January 2011, 23:28
Interesting story

Jose Gracchus
13th January 2011, 11:51
Any Germans and those knowledge of German politics, could you give an assessment of this appraisal (I think he may be a liberal, he's a German professor of history):


There are a few things to consider here.

First, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern has been suffering from a lack of money for the past few years. In that situation, the police simply does not have the resources to protect one house around the clock.

Second, these things have happened before, even in other states. The NeoNazis move in, act tough for one or two years and then hightail it out of there as soon as resources are focused on the problem. This was for example going on in the nineties in several West German villages and towns, for example in Bad Bederkesa (where things actually got so bad that there was mass violence in the streets).

Of course, eventually the Nazis moved to the east. There are several factors working in their favor there:
- high unemployment
- bad education system (suffice to say the communist FDR did not have the best social studies etc. there is)
- declining birthrate and brain drain - basically everybody who already can, has either moved to the west or to the cities to find work.

These are the root causes. Another factor is the post-communist mindset. The communists worked very hard to instill a distrust of democracy and of capitalism. This of course left lasting damage, especially when coupled with the first factors. At first the people in this group put their faith in the PDS (essentially the former communist party, left wing extremists), but after the PDS actually was in government in the state for a few years (and did nothing of consequence), they started shopping around. The NPD has managed to cater to that audience by espousing an authoritarian (familiar to FDR supporters) solution to the problem.

Of course, a lot of people play the game to get rich. For example, there are a few scumbag lawyers who exclusively find their clientele in this group - and who managed to get rich. I suspect the same thing is happening here - note how the article mentions him dumping waste etc.

Could any of you give me your thoughts? Accurate? Propaganda? What about the PDS? Was is social democratic or was it legitimately "authoritarian" (i.e., does not believe in openly contest elections with reasonably free political agitation) to the extent he implies? What was it? Are there really "authoritarian"-minded people wandering about looking for some Nazism now that they have no Communism?

Widerstand
14th January 2011, 10:50
Could any of you give me your thoughts? Accurate? Propaganda? What about the PDS? Was is social democratic or was it legitimately "authoritarian" (i.e., does not believe in openly contest elections with reasonably free political agitation) to the extent he implies? What was it? Are there really "authoritarian"-minded people wandering about looking for some Nazism now that they have no Communism?

Propaganda. The PDS was aching to be Social Democratic (even though it wasn't really), it certainly wasn't "authoritarian."

The points he raises are all very familiar and fall perfectly in line with very common stereotypes about the DDR, most notably that one that it didn't teach the citizens anything (because you know, they didn't have to look after themselves cos it wasn't good 'ol capitalism) and secondly the somewhat orientalizing view that all of them are just waiting for someone to tell them what to do (which of course is often said to be the reason for high unemployment rates, despite the fact that there virtually is no industry or service sector anyone could get employed at).

I could get to this in more detail, but well, the quote is bullshit blabbler some random drunk fellow could've said in a bar.

IndependentCitizen
14th January 2011, 11:00
Do we have any comrades who own tanks? Send them in, and put the nazis up against the wall, and we can have a unique firing squad with a tank.