American Third Position (So-Cal)

[Rusty Shackleford]

The American Third Position is based in Santa Monica. Ca or something like that apparently.
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chairman is William "Bill" Johnson.


anyone form so cal see these non-hollywood nazis around?

[Nolan]

No, but I made a thread on these clowns a while back.

[Rusty Shackleford]

thats probably where i heard of them months ago. i know it was from here.

[palotin]

I'm not from So Cal and so haven't had the pleasure of running into one. I first noticed them on the internet fash scene about a year ago. They're trying to present themselves as sophisticated and flaunt the participation of such "intellectuals" as Kevin MacDonald. Frankly, I'm puzzled by why they claim the Third Positionist title. The European 3Pers all heavily promote their opposition to capitalism in a vain attempt to secure a working class base. The ATP makes rhetorical gestures towards 'the dignity of the workers', but can't even go so far as to endorse unions. I haven't exactly been looking, but I've seen less about the group in recent months. The Republican party is too far right for there to be much space in which to successfully build an alternate party by demagoging about immigration. Closet white nationalism is already a component of one of our major national parties, so I don't see much future for the project.

[redSHARP]

i always saw these guys as a front group to co-op young leftists into a fascist scene. I always saw them as very dangerous since the third positionists like to take left wing imagery and symbols.

[palotin]

From what I'd read on their website that doesn't seem to be the case with this lot. They do the whole Ron Paul/Paleoconservative isolationist thing, whose concomitant is that the neoconservatives are a Jewish cabal, which can draw some naive anti-imperialists. But their economic views are entirely "free enterprise", but with substantial tariffs and other protectionist barriers.
I don't see much there to attract leftists. It may be that they think this kind of policy plays well with the white working class in the US, substantial parts of which have already been won over to right-wing populism. I'd love to see verifiable figures on membership levels.

Just a thought, I think many people who move in or could be drawn into far-right circles in this country are firmly committed to the notion of American exceptionalism. What nationalism doesn't believe its own nation to be exceptional? But the American case sees itself as distinct, in a way, from European political orders and history. Americanism is held to be a system in itself. On the American fascist scene, the neo-Nazis are the only ones I can think of that are clearly a foreign import in terms of ancestry and symbolism. The point is I think the A3P might well comes off as too much of an import to compete against our manifold domestic fascists. Not that hoping is an alternative to confronting them on the street.

[bailey_187]

i always saw these guys as a front group to co-op young leftists into a fascist scene. I always saw them as very dangerous since the third positionists like to take left wing imagery and symbols.

i doubt it. thats been the case in Europe due to the popularity of the left (atleast at certain points in history).

[redSHARP]

ah...my conclusion was wrong. the national anarchists and these anarchists seem to be different.