Do I Still Belong Here?

[Hobbitgoth]

Hey guys, I've got a difficult question to tackle. Doing some self-searching, I've found that my values are most accurately described as Nihilist or Anarcho-Nihilist tendencies. My question is do I still belong on this website? Am I still to be considered part of the revolutionary left? I don't know if a Nihilist world view can be pinpointed on the classical political scale. Any answers would be awesome, plus debate if you truly want to. :P

[synthesis]

Do you still support revolution and the idea of a classless, stateless society? If so, then yes.

[gorillafuck]

The only "anarcho-nihilists" were the Nihilists in Russia. Is that who you're thinking of?

[FreeFocus]

I find nihilism abhorrent, but if you support the establishment of a communist society, I don't see why you would leave. I just don't understand what your motivations, as a nihilist, would be for being a communist.

[ExUnoDisceOmnes]

Out of curiosity, what leads you to be a nihilist?

[Hobbitgoth]

I definitely still support revolution coupled with a classless and stateless society. And to answer Zeekloid modern Anarcho-Nihilism has roots in the Nihilist Movement in Russia, but since that time there has been many authors who have further developed the idea of Nihilism in its many facets. I "became" a Nihilist because I found that the title most accurately described me. I've been a lifelong Atheist, never really followed society's expectations of me, and haven't really had a set of values attributed to me (that's not to say I'd be described as a bad guy).

[electro_fan]

my question would be what do you mean by nihilism really?

[Hobbitgoth]

my question would be what do you mean by nihilism really?

Nihilism to me is a world view that critically analyzes all facets of society; faith, values, morality, justice, etc. by using reduction, which is breaking down the whole into its parts. I don't believe that life is pointless though which is a common misconception placed upon Nihilists I would say. Rather, the point of life is to reproduce and ensure the survival of our species. I hope that answers your question. :)

[ExUnoDisceOmnes]

Nihilism to me is a world view that critically analyzes all facets of society; faith, values, morality, justice, etc. by using reduction, which is breaking down the whole into its parts. I don't believe that life is pointless though which is a common misconception placed upon Nihilists I would say. Rather, the point of life is to reproduce and ensure the survival of our species. I hope that answers your question. :)

I think that you belong here, if only because you criticize modern society. Also, I believe you said you wanted revolution so...

[Hobbitgoth]

I think that you belong here, if only because you criticize modern society. Also, I believe you said you wanted revolution so...

That's what I needed to hear. :D

[synthesis]

a world view that critically analyzes all facets of society; faith, values, morality, justice, etc. by using reduction, which is breaking down the whole into its parts.

I think this would aptly describe most people on this forum, although you have to be careful that when using reduction, you are not descending into reductionism.


the point of life is to reproduce and ensure the survival of our species. I hope that answers your question. :)

This, I'm not so sure about. It's a sort of is/ought fallacy; of course we are encoded to do so but that doesn't make it a good "purpose." The meaning of life is whatever you want it to be, which for most communists would generally be related to increasing our species' quality of life in various ways.

[Imposter Marxist]

Hey guys, I've got a difficult question to tackle. Doing some self-searching, I've found that my values are most accurately described as Nihilist or Anarcho-Nihilist tendencies. My question is do I still belong on this website? Am I still to be considered part of the revolutionary left? I don't know if a Nihilist world view can be pinpointed on the classical political scale. Any answers would be awesome, plus debate if you truly want to. :P

You dare betray the goddamn Crackbonists with your asshole?

[gorillafuck]

I think that you belong here, if only because you criticize modern society. Also, I believe you said you wanted revolution so...
Criticizing modern society doesn't always mean being left wing.


Rather, the point of life is to reproduce and ensure the survival of our species. I hope that answers your question.
That's not the "purpose" of life anymore than anything else is.

Also I have rarely/never met a person with no set of values. There's a difference between non-conformism and no values.

[Sentinel]

Nihilism to me is a world view that critically analyzes all facets of society; faith, values, morality, justice, etc. by using reduction, which is breaking down the whole into its parts. If that is all, you should fit in; critical, scientific analysis of everything is a vital part of communist thought -- at least marxist. Objection to things like faith, or a moral worldview, is common here.


I don't believe that life is pointless though which is a common misconception placed upon Nihilists I would say. Rather, the point of life is to reproduce and ensure the survival of our species.As long as you don't have opposing views to ours, you are free to post here unrestricted. Some nihilists I gather are primitivists, for example, but if you aren't then I don't see why you couldn't post on the forums.

[Hobbitgoth]

You dare betray the goddamn Crackbonists with your asshole?

I'm just trying to track that mother *****! :D

[Bitter Ashes]

Stick around. If any of the more authoritarian types try stick you in the OI or something then I'll do my best to get you out asap. :)

[Nolan]

No GTFO.

[Bitter Ashes]

No GTFO.
Don't know if that was a joke or not, but really not helpful...

[Nolan]

Don't know if that was a joke or not, but really not helpful...

Jeezus. Your negrep isn't helpful either.

[Hobbitgoth]

Stick around. If any of the more authoritarian types try stick you in the OI or something then I'll do my best to get you out asap. :)

Thanks. :D

[Nuvem]

I would say no, but I also believe in the perpetual existence of a worker's state, so don't feel bad. More people would want me out than you.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Most people, here and in general, typically identify all nihilism as existential nihilism, but there are many different forms. At base, nihilism in general could be seen as a sort of strong skepticism, though how that is applied varies greatly.

Existential nihilism posits that life has no meaning or special significance and/or that the human species has no special value.

Ethical nihilism posits that there is no objective morality; that no choice or action is necessarily preferable to any other; that there is no "right" or "wrong."

Epistemological nihilism posits that nothing can be known.

Metaphysical nihilism posits that objective reality may not even exist; that "existence" itself may not even exist.

Political nihilism is a bit different in that posits that things like the state (police, courts, prisons), government, religion, the family, morals, etc., cannot be rationalized and thus shouldn't exist. Political nihilists typically reject the irrational in favor of the scientific.

Nihilist communism (http://www.anonym.to/?http://libcom.org/library/nihilist-communism-monsieur-dupont) "argues against the conception of 'consciousness raising' and recruiting as practiced by the far left, whereby it is implicitly assumed that the social revolution may be brought about by enough persons spreading communist ideas effectively enough."

[revolution inaction]

Most people, here and in general, typically identify all nihilism as existential nihilism, but there are many different forms. At base, nihilism in general could be seen as a sort of strong skepticism, though how that is applied varies greatly.

Existential nihilism posits that life has no meaning or special significance and/or that the human species has no special value.

How could anyone who has thought about, and is sane, it not agree with this?




Ethical nihilism posits that there is no objective morality; that no choice or action is necessarily preferable to any other; that there is no "right" or "wrong."

the first part is symbioses, but the second and third parts do not follow.



Epistemological nihilism posits that nothing can be known.

this is true if you take a sufficiently stupid meaning of the word known.




Metaphysical nihilism posits that objective reality may not even exist; that "existence" itself may not even exist.


isn't this just having a realistic view of reality?



Political nihilism is a bit different in that posits that things like the state (police, courts, prisons), government, religion, the family, morals, etc., cannot be rationalized and thus shouldn't exist. Political nihilists typically reject the irrational in favor of the scientific.

from certain points of view all those things are rational, this form of nihilism seem to assume the view of what benefits the majority.



Nihilist communism (http://www.anonym.to/?http://libcom.org/library/nihilist-communism-monsieur-dupont) "argues against the conception of 'consciousness raising' and recruiting as practiced by the far left, whereby it is implicitly assumed that the social revolution may be brought about by enough persons spreading communist ideas effectively enough."
i think some one was looking for a provocative name.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Good post NHIA.

I wrote a brief post (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1820252&postcount=42) regarding "nihilism" (specifically "nihilism" as a political tendency in Russia) not long ago. I think that the Narodniks were a pretty fascinating bunch of misfits, and honestly I see a lot of similarities between their perspective way back in the late 19th century and many self-described revolutionaries today (namely the phenomenon of the relatively priviliged fetishizing the downtrodden, and trying to lead the toiling masses towards "the light" of socialism.)

[Summerspeaker]

As a nihilist or at least sympathizer myself depending on the definition, I say you belong here as much as anyone.