My analysis of this mad mad world

[Blamelessman]

I wouldn't call myself a communist but I think that any corporation worth more than a billion dollars should be dismantled and the proceeds distributed to the citizens. The world has grown mad and the United States is nearing bankruptcy and irrelevance, particularly under the demagogue Obama, who has sought to be a citizen of the world rather than a citizen of his nation-state.

It has been four or five or six years since I was last on your forum, nay even visited the place. I see all new faces here with exceptions. I had a variety of accounts back then and generally behaved quite appallingly, for which I am sorry. I was a fairly militant capitalist back then. Not anymore. I've matured and changed and am a very different person with a different outlook on life. I was a libertarian then but have since realized just how corrupt and sick that system is. At nearly 30 years of age, I am not even really political anymore. Politics is boring, but change must take place. Any libertarian system, if imposed, will destroy any hope of equality.

Hopefully I can be allowed to stay on here for a serious discussion. :closedeyes:

[Ele'ill]

What would you like to discuss?

[Jimmie Higgins]

Ok, re-welcome. A few years ago I ran into this guy I knew from high school who was the most outspoken ditto-head (with libertarian tendencies) that I knew back then. We started talking and unpromted by me, he said, "yeah I think I'm a socialist now". He said that working at a bank (also George Bush's presidency) made him reconsider his views. So now I tell people, "yeah the free-market sounds like a good idea in high school or when you're reading Ayn Rand in college, but wait until you get out into the real world and join the workforce...":lol:

[Blamelessman]

What would you like to discuss?


Not entirely sure.

Is there a leftist movement which is so limited that it merely seeks the disablement of the big corporations without any other massive changes. Cos that's the problem right there. If you get rid of the corporations and make it a capital offence to have anything to do with a megacorporation, I think that most of the social problems will be solved without any other need for revolution.

[Blamelessman]

Ok, re-welcome. A few years ago I ran into this guy I knew from high school who was the most outspoken ditto-head (with libertarian tendencies) that I knew back then. We started talking and unpromted by me, he said, "yeah I think I'm a socialist now". He said that working at a bank (also George Bush's presidency) made him reconsider his views. So now I tell people, "yeah the free-market sounds like a good idea in high school or when you're reading Ayn Rand in college, but wait until you get out into the real world and join the workforce...":lol:


YES!!! I am kinda socialist, (to a very limited extent), now after seeing the massive power the corporations have. The GMO fuckheads have bought every single judge in the USA. Last year they bought blackwater. Those fucks are TRYING to be evil and they keep every worker poor by LEGALLY bribing every politician to make it so. At least in the fucked up USA.

What kind of woke me up was the bailouts. The money of the nation's poor being used to bail out a few executives. That's not very nice. Obama LET THEM.

The right wing are fucked up as well. In fact the entire right wing movement is in the pockets of the corporations and always has been. This includes libertarians.


PS. Hey is that redstar guy still alive?

[trivas7]

Thanks for your honest post. I, too, have an ongoing wrestling match with my political beliefs. I hate the world around me but see no signs that the Left knows any more what it wants to accomplish.

BTW, I think you are wrong in calling Obama an internationalist. He is a tool of the ruling class of the US and has very little power to really change anything fundamental.

[trivas7]

Thanks for your honest post. I, too, have an ongoing wrestling match with my political beliefs. I hate the world around me but see no signs that the Left knows any more what it wants to accomplish.

BTW, I think you are wrong in calling Obama an internationalist. He is a tool of the ruling class of the US and has very little power to really change anything fundamental.

[RGacky3]

The world has grown mad and the United States is nearing bankruptcy and irrelevance, particularly under the demagogue Obama, who has sought to be a citizen of the world rather than a citizen of his nation-state.


How so? Demagogue? How is Obama any different from every other president in history?


I wouldn't call myself a communist but I think that any corporation worth more than a billion dollars should be dismantled and the proceeds distributed to the citizens.

You mean become a public corporation? Or what?


If you get rid of the corporations and make it a capital offence to have anything to do with a megacorporation, I think that most of the social problems will be solved without any other need for revolution.

So your saying Ban consumtion? Thats rediculous, and impossible, because the "megacorporations" control all the resources and will continue, what needs to be done is a democratizing of the economy.

[trivas7]

[...] what needs to be done is a democratizing of the economy.
How do you do that? What does that even mean?

[danyboy27]

I wouldn't call myself a communist but I think that any corporation worth more than a billion dollars should be dismantled and the proceeds distributed to the citizens. The world has grown mad and the United States is nearing bankruptcy and irrelevance, particularly under the demagogue Obama, who has sought to be a citizen of the world rather than a citizen of his nation-state.

well, obama is not a citizen of the world, he a statemen controlled by the particular will of corporation and other big buisness.

he is doing hard work to ensure the people who put him in charge got a run for their money, that mean tax cut for the rich, creating thousand of job oversea so that corporation get richer, bail them out, play soft on the issue about regulation etc etc.

and dismantling corporation is a pretty useless effort. Rather than being dismanteled they should be unionised or controlled by the working class, hell even nationalisation at this point would be far better than just dismanteling.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

What is the practical scheme by which any corporation worth more than a billion dollars would be dismantled? How would the wealth be redistributed? Who has an interest in this, and why? How would this address the fundamental underlying causes that led to the existence of multinational multibillion dollar companies in the first place?
To mix slogans: Be realistic: Blow it up, burn it down, kick it 'til it breaks!

Er, anyway, hi and welcome!

[Skooma Addict]

and make it a capital offence to have anything to do with a megacorporation

I think that is a little extreme.

[Robert]

If you get rid of the corporations and make it a capital offence to have anything to do with a megacorporationHow do you "get rid of corporations"? The shareholders of IBM and BP are scattered from Helsinki to Buenos Aires. Are you going to order them to mail their stock certificates in to you? What if they say no? (I say no.)

Next, how will it even be possible to "have anything to do with a megacorporation" if your first step is to get rid of corporations?

What is a mega corporation? You mean we can still have little and medium sized ones?

Capital offence means one that carries the death penalty. You're going to shoot an old lady in Pittsburgh for trying to buy a share of Whole Foods or Ben & Jerry's? I shudder to think what you're going to do to Ben and Jerry. :lol:

Come now, I think you're pulling our legs here and haven't quite shaken loose of anarcho-capitalism, am I right? Libertarians don't lose their taste for the "free market". Not completely.

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[RGacky3]

How do you do that? What does that even mean?

What that means is exactly what I said, one man one vote when it comes to economic matters.

How do you do that? there are many different ways, its pretty much the history of socialism, look it up.

[trivas7]

What that means is exactly what I said, one man one vote when it comes to economic matters.

How do you do that? there are many different ways, its pretty much the history of socialism, look it up.
But no socialist regime ever conducted its economy along the lines of "one man, one vote when it comes to economic matters". It's simplistic rhetorical answers like yours to complex matters that most turn me off to socialist thinking.

[Dean]

...the United States is nearing bankruptcy and irrelevance, particularly under the demagogue Obama, who has sought to be a citizen of the world rather than a citizen of his nation-state.

This is patently absurd. One need only consider a couple facts to see why:

-The US is by far the largest military power in the world. Its technology continues to expand in the context of a Federal Reserve system which encourages foreign nations to bankroll the very military which works against their interests.

-The US stock exchange capitalization dwarfs the other prevalent powers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_exchange#Major_stock_exchanges

-US GDP far dwarfs that of other nations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29

-US Annual Military spending is more than 6 times that of the second biggest spender (China)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

[Blamelessman]

Thanks for your honest post. I, too, have an ongoing wrestling match with my political beliefs. I hate the world around me but see no signs that the Left knows any more what it wants to accomplish.

BTW, I think you are wrong in calling Obama an internationalist. He is a tool of the ruling class of the US and has very little power to really change anything fundamental.


there are contradictions in each political area yea.

yeah. Obama is a loser if u look at his pledge to change things. It don't matter whether u come from the left or the right, LOL. He has sold everyone out so far as i am concerned. His giving cash to bail out the corporations was theft from the poor to the rich!!! He allowed that shit! LOL! Presidents are supposed to take a stand for what they believe in, lol. But he just listened to and did what he was told.

USA = shit mixed with garbage. Owned by BP and Monsanto, LOL! What a joke. Every major corporation should not exist. Run by evil in all the upper levels lol. Citizens shouldn't have to deal with that crap.

[Blamelessman]

well, obama is not a citizen of the world, he a statemen controlled by the particular will of corporation and other big buisness.

he is doing hard work to ensure the people who put him in charge got a run for their money, that mean tax cut for the rich, creating thousand of job oversea so that corporation get richer, bail them out, play soft on the issue about regulation etc etc.

and dismantling corporation is a pretty useless effort. Rather than being dismanteled they should be unionised or controlled by the working class, hell even nationalisation at this point would be far better than just dismanteling.


I would like to see all major corporations nationalized then, or broken up, lol. How do you nationalize a corporation like blackwater though?

But i like nationalization. That's how it should be done. Why not. I like the Venezuelan system. Very nice! Yes. Wouldn't mind living there except I can't speak the language.

[Blamelessman]

What is the practical scheme by which any corporation worth more than a billion dollars would be dismantled? How would the wealth be redistributed? Who has an interest in this, and why? How would this address the fundamental underlying causes that led to the existence of multinational multibillion dollar companies in the first place?
To mix slogans: Be realistic: Blow it up, burn it down, kick it 'til it breaks!

Er, anyway, hi and welcome!



Venezuela I guess.... a 'benevolant tyrant', philosopher king sort for the whole world is required lol. I don't really think there is any other way.

Any system should be mixed. Small enterprise should always be legal, kind of like the NEP, to let people do what they need to do. For instance, I want to self publish some books, and i'm going to do that, so I need strong personal and religious freedoms. On the other hand, corporations are massive tyrannies and need to be abolished. lol. They interfere with everyone's freedom through consumerism, if not outright tyranny.

Nobody needs more than a few million even for the most ambitious projects anyway, otherwise they are segragating themselves off from the populion and trying to assume command, lol. Not a pleasant situation.

Look at space travel. Look at the x prize. They did that shit on 20 million! I think a few people should be allowed to get together and do shit like that. Then you take a tyranny like the USA government and they take zillions of dollars and now all the shuttles are broke and they can't fly no more! Fuck NASA TOO, LOL!

[Blamelessman]

How do you "get rid of corporations"? The shareholders of IBM and BP are scattered from Helsinki to Buenos Aires. Are you going to order them to mail their stock certificates in to you? What if they say no? (I say no.)

Next, how will it even be possible to "have anything to do with a megacorporation" if your first step is to get rid of corporations?

What is a mega corporation? You mean we can still have little and medium sized ones?

Capital offence means one that carries the death penalty. You're going to shoot an old lady in Pittsburgh for trying to buy a share of Whole Foods or Ben & Jerry's? I shudder to think what you're going to do to Ben and Jerry. :lol:

Come now, I think you're pulling our legs here and haven't quite shaken loose of anarcho-capitalism, am I right? Libertarians don't lose their taste for the "free market". Not completely.




Yeah ron paul. his son is a fuckhead.

`oh we need to defend the rights of pooor BP!'

LOL what a joke!


FUCK the shareholders. I've been a shareholder and i've been totally robbed blind by a corrupt system. LOL!

Seriously, shareholders get very little in the long run. The lion share goes to the top and it's always been that way. Another problem is mergers. Corporate boards love merging so they can run bigger corporations and have bigger pay packets. Only problem with that is that mergers in the long run are BAD for shareholders, lol. So the system is set up against the little guy, LOL. And it's always going to be as well.

I think small scale capitalism like NEP is pretty much identical to left libertarianism. Sort of like barter except you're only playing with a few dollars so no-one gets hurt. Anyone wanna take this one up?

[Robert]

I was a libertarian then but have since realized just how corrupt and sick that system is.People can corrupt any "system." Until you get that, you are going to be as disillusioned with whatever system it is that you are trying to describe as you have become with libertarianism.

And I'm still trying to get some coherence out of the various planks of your philosophy, which I admit is over my head:

1. Something like Venezuela, you guess

2. philosopher king sort for the whole world

3. FUCK the shareholders.

4. Sort of like barter

5. Nobody needs more than a few million

6. You need strong personal and religious freedoms.

7. Now all the shuttles are broke and they can't fly no more! Fuck NASA TOO.

8. USA = shit mixed with garbage.

9. Small enterprise should always be legal, kind of like the NEP, to let people do what they need to do.

I recommend this guy as your ideal philosopher king

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[Skooma Addict]

Stop overusing "lol."

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

I don't know his name, but I would wholeheartedly support the rent is too damn high candidacy for president. Shit I would even join the cpusa is he ran on their ticket lol

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[Impulse97]

I don't know his name, but I would wholeheartedly support the rent is too damn high candidacy for president. Shit I would even join the cpusa is he ran on their ticket lol.

He has a mortgage lulz.:hammersickle::che::hammersickle:

[Blamelessman]

People can corrupt any "system." Until you get that, you are going to be as disillusioned with whatever system it is that you are trying to describe as you have become with libertarianism.

And I'm still trying to get some coherence out of the various planks of your philosophy, which I admit is over my head:

1. Something like Venezuela, you guess

2. philosopher king sort for the whole world

3. FUCK the shareholders.

4. Sort of like barter

5. Nobody needs more than a few million

6. You need strong personal and religious freedoms.

7. Now all the shuttles are broke and they can't fly no more! Fuck NASA TOO.

8. USA = shit mixed with garbage.

9. Small enterprise should always be legal, kind of like the NEP, to let people do what they need to do.

I recommend this guy as your ideal philosopher king





You're right.

USA = Shit mixed with pure refined cow shit but that would be an insult to cows. LOL!

Thanks for bringing your `democracy' to the world. I really appreciate it, not.

[Blamelessman]

Stop overusing "lol."


lol. what u gonna do about it? ain't no one can control me.

I am gonna start a freaking revolution and none o u can stop meh. :thumbup1:

there is too much establishment bullshit going down lately and the conservatism is NOT helping. Liberartarians are sell-outs since they seem to support the massive corporate structures which are causing massive damage to the earth! 'LOL'

[Lt. Ferret]

You're right.

USA = Shit mixed with pure refined cow shit but that would be an insult to cows. LOL!

Thanks for bringing your `democracy' to the world. I really appreciate it, not.


thanks for bringing your dictatorship of the proletariat to people who were subsequently murdered throughout the world, they really appreciate it, not.

you come off like the spoiled, priviliged child you rail against.

[Blamelessman]

thanks for bringing your dictatorship of the proletariat to people who were subsequently murdered throughout the world, they really appreciate it, not.

you come off like the spoiled, priviliged child you rail against.



I don't care. I've seen both sides and i know what i'm on about! I will debate any capitalist and what's more I will win the debate! Capitalism only 'works' if ur talking about simplistic things like barter. Anything else above that level and it seriously gets in the way of what it means to be a human being!

Speaking personally I was in a long distance relationship with a nice female who didn't have a lot of cash and guess what happened. She kept begging her boss to let her off work so she could come over, but noooooooooo, cockblocked by a controlling bastard capitalist modafucker. (she's pretty attractive and he liked looking at her i guess). Love ruined cos he wanted to use her to earn some extra money, (she was a very good worker). Too many little hitlers around and I am gonna do something about it. Fuk u libertarian fucks as well with ur support for the `corporation'. That is one of the most evil entities in history. No corporation should be worth more than 20mil. that's more than enough for ANY economic enterprise, including one which launches shuttles into space, so why the hell do we have corporations worth into the zillions which are LEGAL? Since psycopaths rise to the top, the capitalist system enables the destruction of PEOPLE, and it's all legal. We need to end this shit! ;) Humans are basically equal and don't need to be dictated to by anyone!

I never thought I would be a lefty but i'm only 29 and i've seen too much shit! I am all for the state being ruled by a high council of elders who are basically selected on their ascetic merits and nothing else. Why should emotional money-addicts be in control of the population? The answer is that they shouldn't. Do you seriously think the addiction of earning cash is healthy for ANYONE? I can talk for hours on this! lol.

[ComradeMan]

I never thought I would be a lefty but i'm only 29 and i've seen too much shit! I am all for the state being ruled by a high council of elders who are basically selected on their ascetic merits and nothing else. Why should emotional money-addicts be in control of the population? The answer is that they shouldn't. Do you seriously think the addiction of earning cash is healthy for ANYONE? I can talk for hours on this! lol.

I agree with your sentiments- but this last comment is very interesting. You sound like you want some kind of Amish society? Or perhaps a primitivist view- the whole high council of elders thing, I mean. Are you a Jedi? ;)

[Kotze]

Welcome (back) to this forum where we all hate each other, Blamelessman.
I was a libertarian then but have since realized just how corrupt and sick that system is.I think one way to curb corruption is to reduce the role of professional politicians in general, for some reason this idea isn't very popular among leading thinkers of communist parties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demarchy

See also this thread: Democracy or oligarchy? (http://www.revleft.com/vb/democracy-oligarchyi-t119643/index.html?t=119643) The relevant part of the article is under the subheader Democratic republic.
you come off like the spoiled, priviliged child you rail against.You come off like somebody who constantly feels the need to make bad assumptions about other people so he doesn't feel like a bad person for his decision to shoot kids in the face for a living :P

[Blamelessman]

I agree with your sentiments- but this last comment is very interesting. You sound like you want some kind of Amish society? Or perhaps a primitivist view- the whole high council of elders thing, I mean. Are you a Jedi? ;)


Jedi. :laugh:

Hahahahaha.

Oh no not really a primitivist view. nahhhhhhh. Amish? hell no. I like Venezuela best, maybe Cuba as well. I think those societies give humans time to find time to discover who they are, room to breath, maybe

[Blamelessman]

yeah demarchy sounds phucking awesome, a massive collective.

I guess the communist thinkers didn't like the Athenian system since it's traditionally the purported basis for capitalist thinkers, even tho it isn't really.

[Dimentio]

I wouldn't call myself a communist but I think that any corporation worth more than a billion dollars should be dismantled and the proceeds distributed to the citizens. The world has grown mad and the United States is nearing bankruptcy and irrelevance, particularly under the demagogue Obama, who has sought to be a citizen of the world rather than a citizen of his nation-state.

It has been four or five or six years since I was last on your forum, nay even visited the place. I see all new faces here with exceptions. I had a variety of accounts back then and generally behaved quite appallingly, for which I am sorry. I was a fairly militant capitalist back then. Not anymore. I've matured and changed and am a very different person with a different outlook on life. I was a libertarian then but have since realized just how corrupt and sick that system is. At nearly 30 years of age, I am not even really political anymore. Politics is boring, but change must take place. Any libertarian system, if imposed, will destroy any hope of equality.

Hopefully I can be allowed to stay on here for a serious discussion. :closedeyes:

Actually, this is probably an election-winning set of opinions for the United States. Have you by any chance read about Huey Long? He had some similar ideas.

[Lt. Ferret]

I don't care. I've seen both sides and i know what i'm on about! I will debate any capitalist and what's more I will win the debate! Capitalism only 'works' if ur talking about simplistic things like barter. Anything else above that level and it seriously gets in the way of what it means to be a human being!

Speaking personally I was in a long distance relationship with a nice female who didn't have a lot of cash and guess what happened. She kept begging her boss to let her off work so she could come over, but noooooooooo, cockblocked by a controlling bastard capitalist modafucker. (she's pretty attractive and he liked looking at her i guess). Love ruined cos he wanted to use her to earn some extra money, (she was a very good worker). Too many little hitlers around and I am gonna do something about it. Fuk u libertarian fucks as well with ur support for the `corporation'. That is one of the most evil entities in history. No corporation should be worth more than 20mil. that's more than enough for ANY economic enterprise, including one which launches shuttles into space, so why the hell do we have corporations worth into the zillions which are LEGAL? Since psycopaths rise to the top, the capitalist system enables the destruction of PEOPLE, and it's all legal. We need to end this shit! ;) Humans are basically equal and don't need to be dictated to by anyone!

I never thought I would be a lefty but i'm only 29 and i've seen too much shit! I am all for the state being ruled by a high council of elders who are basically selected on their ascetic merits and nothing else. Why should emotional money-addicts be in control of the population? The answer is that they shouldn't. Do you seriously think the addiction of earning cash is healthy for ANYONE? I can talk for hours on this! lol.

wow guy, sounds like maybe you should have spent a little of your money to bring your girlfriend over. Also, this may sound super mega crazy, but she can quit her job if its worth more to her to visit you than to work for Hitler. There are multiple jobs in this world and she can find another one, and I bet a much better job than the obviously shitty job she was in.


My wife and I had a long distance relationship. she worked in New Hampshire and I worked in Texas. She had a very lucrative job working photography there, but she decided it was more valuable to her to move to Houston with me than to stay in New Hampshire and make decent money. It's about priorities in life. Mini-Hitler has very little control over you in America, or most Western Nations. Now if she was from Nigeria we may have some legitimate points to talk about.





You come off like somebody who constantly feels the need to make bad assumptions about other people so he doesn't feel like a bad person for his decision to shoot kids in the face for a living :P


number of kids i've shot in the face = 0.

you = dumb.

[Impulse97]

You come off like somebody who constantly feels the need to make bad assumptions about other people so he doesn't feel like a bad person for his decision to shoot kids in the face for a living :P

This is such a cop out statement. Nobody joins the military with the goal of killing innocent children. Few of them ever see combat even In a combat role e.g. infantry etc.

For all those who join for patriotic reasons just as many join because it's a way to pay for college or simply because it pays when so many are out of work.


number of kids i've shot in the face = 0.

you = dumb.

Sadly, dumb people exist even in a movement that is supposedly comprised of smarter than average people. :hammersickle::che::hammersickle:

[Kotze]

number of kids i've shot in the face = 0.Oooh, good for you. Do they have a medal for that achievement? I must have mixed you up with someone, I'm terribly sorry. You were the one who bombed schools? :)
This is such a cop out statement.You either don't know what "cop-out" means or you intended to put a colon there.
Nobody joins the military with the goal of killing innocent children (...) many join because it's a way to pay for college or simply because it pays when so many are out of work.That's also true for the mafia. :rolleyes:

@Blamelessman: I don't know if reading RevLeft's Opposing Ideologies forum is the best idea if you want to find out about non-insane alternatives to the society we live in. If you find the socialists you meet weird, keep in mind that there are many different types. You might also want to look into Georgism if you haven't already (even though I find their approach incomplete).

[Lt. Ferret]

Oooh, good for you. Do they have a medal for that achievement? I must have mixed you up with someone, I'm terribly sorry. You were the one who bombed schools? :)You either don't know what "cop-out" means or you intended to put a colon there.That's also true for the mafia. :rolleyes:

@Blamelessman: I don't know if reading RevLeft's Opposing Ideologies forum is the best idea if you want to find out about non-insane alternatives to the society we live in. If you find the socialists you meet weird, keep in mind that there are many different types. You might also want to look into Georgism if you haven't already (even though I find their approach incomplete).


Really guy? Are we going into the petty route you're taking? No, I haven't bombed schools, I'm an air defender. Maybe I shot down a plane full of little brown orphans, but they had it coming, not having parents and all.

Now, I AM going to start working on the medal that I receive for doing 100 hours of community service. I bet I reach my 100 hours before you do.



And Georgism is the only form of Libertarianism that seems to be able to answer the questions about the initial ownership of land, or at least the best able to deal with the situation.

[ComradeMan]

Henry George did sort of predict dictatorships under Marxist adherent regimes. His ideas weren't so bad.

[trivas7]

Sadly, dumb people exist even in a movement that is supposedly comprised of smarter than average people. :hammersickle::che::hammersickle:
What evidence do you have that revolutionary leftism attracts smarter people?

[#FF0000]

What evidence do you have that revolutionary leftism attracts smarter people?

I'm pretty sure it's true actually because it's sort of a fringe thing at the moment. People who are libertarians or communists tend to have a higher IQ.

Keep in mind IQ is pretty worthless.

[ComradeMan]

I'm pretty sure it's true actually because it's sort of a fringe thing at the moment. People who are libertarians or communists tend to have a higher IQ.

Keep in mind IQ is pretty worthless.

Like Pol Pot...:lol: