We are not the only ones

[Savior]

I guess were not the only ones who want revolution.

http://www.earthfrisk.com/blog/?p=142

Discuss.

[ed miliband]

We're the only ones who want proletarian revolution though.

[Savior]

We're the only ones who want proletarian revolution though.
True, But why do these people have these views? What do they think they will accomplish when/if there revolution suceeds (it wont for sure, not that i take them seriously)?

[TC]

We're the only ones who want proletarian revolution though.

Apart from the fact that African Americans are underrepresented among Tea Partiers, demographically they have a fairly good spread:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/127181/Tea-Partiers-Fairly-Mainstream-Demographics.aspx#1

Lots of likely working class people, and certainly people considered "proletarian" on this forum.

[ZeroNowhere]

Tea Partiers do not want a revolution.

[malthusela]

I guess were not the only ones who want revolution.

Discuss.

This isn't anything new. It's just more popular now that a Neo-liberal is in office as opposed to a neo-conservative.

I find it Ironic that the leaders of this 'revolution' against the so called liberal elite (Glenn Beck Bill O'reilly, Sarah Palin (as much as she denies it)) ARE the elite. Irony is not without it's sick sense of humour.


Lots of likely working class people, and certainly people considered "proletarian" on this forum.

The majority of the working class supporting this movement are disillusioned republican voters from the southern states. The rest are Middle class families from the mid-west. There are others of course, but this is the general census.

[ed miliband]

Apart from the fact that African Americans are underrepresented among Tea Partiers, demographically they have a fairly good spread:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/127181/Tea-Partiers-Fairly-Mainstream-Demographics.aspx#1

Lots of likely working class people, and certainly people considered "proletarian" on this forum.

The sans-culottes role in the French Revolution did not make the French Revolution a proletarian revolution, did it?

Tea Partiers, whether proletarian or not, do not want a proletarian revolution.

[Robocommie]

The Tea Party is a movement of the petit bourgeois and more affluent proletarians, who are funded and ultimately controlled by the bourgeoisie through PACs. This talk of revolution is nonsense though, because what are they going to do, overthrow the bourgeois republic and replace it with another bourgeois republic? That kind of shuffling doesn't constitute a revolution, it's a coup.

[Robocommie]

The sans-culottes role in the French Revolution did not make the French Revolution a proletarian revolution, did it?

Tea Partiers, whether proletarian or not, do not want a proletarian revolution.

I think the French Revolution had that element to it but it was effectively neutralized when the more proletarian character of the Jacobins was killed off, literally.

I could be wrong, my understanding of the history of the French Revolution is patchy.

[malthusela]

Tea Partiers, whether proletarian or not, do not want a proletarian revolution.

The average members do. Or at least, are going under the belief that that is what they are doing.

[Savior]

The used marxist several times as if it meant evil...i was going to post a comment if anybody could give me a non bullshit answer as to what Marxism was.

[ZeroNowhere]

The average members do. Or at least, are going under the belief that that is what they are doing.
"Whilst in ordinary life every shopkeeper is very well able to distinguish between what somebody professes to be and what he really is, our historians have not yet won even this trivial insight. They take every epoch at its word and believe that everything it says and imagines about itself is true."

[crazyirish93]

i feel dumber for just reading that

[malthusela]

"Whilst in ordinary life every shopkeeper is very well able to distinguish between what somebody professes to be and what he really is, our historians have not yet won even this trivial insight. They take every epoch at its word and believe that everything it says and imagines about itself is true."

That's obviously not true, considering they (members) think Obama is a 'socialist' Authoritarian and that they are supporting freedom by free market capitalism. I think you are overestimating the knowledge of these people.

In fact, by that token do you think every voter for Hitler was an anti-Semite? Or that they wanted every gay and cripple exterminated? Of course not. Anyone who thinks that the average citizen knows what the person they are voting for actually is, obviously has never heard of the concept of propaganda.

[ZeroNowhere]

I'm not sure how you interpreted my post there.

[Sensible Socialist]

Once a neoconservative steps back into office, they'll shut up. They are nothing more than angry people with some position in society to lose, and they're being used and manipulated by powerful, conservative elite.

I don't have any idea what their "revolution" would entail, save for drastically reducing the size of government assistance programs, and basically leaving people to die.

[Iraultzaile Ezkerreko]

Their "Revolution" would be similar to the Beer Hall Putsch if it had succeeded or Mussolini's March on Rome. We'd all be out on the streets showing them we won't let them move society backwards.

[malthusela]

I'm not sure how you interpreted my post there.

Okay, how was I supposed to interpret it?

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

i feel dumber for just reading that

I feel the same way after reading this thread.

[Asklepios]

Incredible.

My favorite quote on there was by the guy "Armed and Ready": "The NRA is exploding with new membership. Listen to Glen Beck daily, stay informed and be vigilant as the writer suggests."

You know, I can't help but feel sorry for these people. I certainly don't hate them, but they most definitely hate and fear me (a pacifist who is striving to make their life better... definitely a scary person). They, like me, share concerns about the direction this country is going. But unfortunately the left has not be as well organized as the right at providing answers to their concerns.

When I read articles of like this I am reminded of an old quote that says (from memory; may not be exact) "when fascism comes to this country, it will come wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross."

[apawllo]

The Tea Party is a movement of the petit bourgeois and more affluent proletarians, who are funded and ultimately controlled by the bourgeoisie through PACs. This talk of revolution is nonsense though, because what are they going to do, overthrow the bourgeois republic and replace it with another bourgeois republic? That kind of shuffling doesn't constitute a revolution, it's a coup.

As you say, the Tea Party is controlled by the bourgeoisie. If they gained any momentum toward revolution/coup or whatever you choose to term it, they'd be silenced as a result, and I'd guess fairly easily. This movement could likely never expand beyond the periphery of the Tea Party, even if many who align themselves with the Tea Party had a desire for revolution...which I very highly doubt.

[Die Neue Zeit]

Already the Tea Party has been contained by means of the GOP. They haven't organized independently, and the Libertard apparatchiks haven't gained momentum.

[Diello]

True, But why do these people have these views? What do they think they will accomplish when/if there revolution suceeds (it wont for sure, not that i take them seriously)?

"You say you've got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan."

My feeling in a nutshell.


Note: This article written before all of the Marxist Czars have been put in power by Obama.

Teabaggers are extremely fond of talking about "Marxist Czars" or "Commie Czars" and so forth. ("More Czars than the USSR!" (http://www.johnennis.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/czars-450x600.jpg)) I suppose it's conceivable that they are aware of the irony, but I doubt it.

[Rusty Shackleford]

on becks program, he is talking of a "second wave of people waking up, and we have to welcome them" in reference to the tea party and the near future.

he also has a few new slogans.

"we have nothing to fear but being uprepared"
and "yes i can"