Rick Ross>>>>Immortal technique

[bailey_187]

Discuss.

If you havnt heard Teflon Don, just turn ur computer off now.


Ill post some videos. If u can post better Tech songs, ill change the title

"hold the bottles up, where my comrades!?"
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[Property Is Robbery]

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[Pirate Utopian]

Soulja Boy > IT

[Property Is Robbery]

The only Rick Ross songs I've ever heard are those posted above, but just the fact he did a song with Jay z is enough to loose all potential respect.

http://www.nowtoronto.com/_assets/daily/maoz_lrg1.jpg

Jay z wears Mao on his back for fucks sake.

[ed miliband]

Mao is symbolic of the Cultural Revolution against reactionary "revolutionary" hip hop.

[Pirate Utopian]

lol You are like a caricature, PiR.

Jay-Z did songs with Biggie too. I guess Biggie is wack too then?

[Property Is Robbery]

Soulja Boy > IT
"Class warfare kept outta the news
Replaced by a corporation's political views
Cause this is where the guns are manufactured and sold
The land that was stolen stripped of all of its gold" > "Soulja boy off in this hoe
Watch me crank it
Watch me roll
Watch me crank that soulja boy
Then super man that hoe"

[Palingenisis]

Mao is symbolic of the Cultural Revolution against reactionary "revolutionary" hip hop.

There is a trendy pub in Dublin called Mao. :mad:

[Property Is Robbery]

lol You are like a caricature, PiR.

Jay-Z did songs with Biggie too. I guess Biggie is wack too then?
No he's dead :/ but if he was alive he'd be dissing Jay z for being a sell out *****

[Pirate Utopian]

No he's dead :/ but if he was alive he'd be dissing Jay z for being a sell out *****
lol. I doubt it.

[Property Is Robbery]

lol. I doubt it.
He would unless he sold out too which I doubt

[bailey_187]

No he's dead :/ but if he was alive he'd be dissing Jay z for being a sell out *****

what does jayz do that biggie didnt?

[Property Is Robbery]

what does jayz do that biggie didnt?
He sold out

[bailey_187]

"Class warfare kept outta the news
Replaced by a corporation's political views
Cause this is where the guns are manufactured and sold
The land that was stolen stripped of all of its gold"

These lyrics are just as basic as soulja boys, its just that the subject matter is different.

its not hard to have a little knowledge of current affairs and history then rhyme news with views and gold with sold. its pretty basic.

[Pirate Utopian]

"Class warfare kept outta the news
Replaced by a corporation's political views
Cause this is where the guns are manufactured and sold
The land that was stolen stripped of all of its gold" > "Soulja boy off in this hoe
Watch me crank it
Watch me roll
Watch me crank that soulja boy
Then super man that hoe"
One is using big words trying to sound intelligent but coming across like something TVM would write.
Soulja Boy doesnt bother trying to be an intellectual and has atleast some catchy songs.

[bailey_187]

He sold out

how exactly?

[Property Is Robbery]

These lyrics are just as basic as soulja boys, its just that the subject matter is different.

its not hard to have a little knowledge of current affairs and history then rhyme news with views and gold with sold. its pretty basic.
No, I know. Once again I don't care too much for IT but saying soulja boy is better is a stretch that I don't think anyone could justify.

[Pirate Utopian]

He sold out
:lol::lol::lol:

How did Jay-Z sell out?

[Property Is Robbery]

how exactly?
"Roc a fella" records is just one easy example

[Property Is Robbery]

:lol::lol::lol:

How did Jay-Z sell out?
He went from rapping with people like AZ and Biggie to kanye. Plushe's responsible for rihanna's career.

[Pirate Utopian]

"Roc a fella" records is just one easy example
Record labels are selling out?

Biggie was signed to Diddy's Bad Boy Records. Difference?

[Sasha]

as discussed in another thread:


not as boring as the show i just worked, fucking "rick ross".. some lame ass fake ganster rap shit with an horible DJ, lousy rappers and the cheapest samples you heard in years. and 1500 wanabe gansters looking all tough buying overpriced hennesy and champagne.


"my baddest *****es latin but they call me loco/till I fuck 'em in the ass down in Acapulco"

ahahahahaha wtf


I don't even care if he's a studiogangsta his music's still dope.


no its not, even on that vid you posted they are about the lamest, unoriginal beats you can ever come up, his flow sucks and his rhymes stink.
and live it was even worse, he couldnt finish one fucking song, about 1/3 they all got cut off with an lousy gunshot sample, his voice was basicly not there, half his set consisted of playing songs of other (talented rappers) "too pay tribute" while he was holding his cock. and if i heard that sample advertising his label one more time I'M gonna bust a cap in someone

Rick Ross was the worst unoriginal fake shit i heard in a whole year, and i work a lot of shitshows. Even fucking TQ, who came 3 hours late, was on stage for 21 minutes during wich he played his 90's hitsingle twice was only slighty less apriciative from his public than this untalented fuck.

this while Immortal Technique spend hours hanging with his fans, thanked the venue crew during his show and took the time to explain his lyrics.

oh and shared his joints, while Rick Ross first demanded weed to be trown on stage only to have his roadies to trow it away after show...

[bailey_187]

Roc-A-Fella Records was founded in 1996.

[Property Is Robbery]

Yep a year before biggie died. but he's been that same ***** ever since.


Record labels are selling out?

Biggie was signed to Diddy's Bad Boy Records. Difference?
I was talking about the name.

[FreeFocus]

This thread is silly. OK, we get it, you don't like Immortal Technique. OK, don't listen to him then.

Teflon Don was a solid album. "Free Mason" is an awesome track.

[bailey_187]

Why didnt Biggie take it up with Jay? Call him a sell out?

I been reading Jay Z's book Decoded which i got for xmas, which is a kind of autobiography and collection of lyrics. Jay talks of smoking a blunt with Biggie in 1996, going to a club with Biggie in 1996 etc. Didnt seem like Biggie cared.

[bailey_187]

This thread is silly. OK, we get it, you don't like Immortal Technique. OK, don't listen to him then.

Teflon Don was a solid album. "Free Mason" is an awesome track.

i actually do like tech tho

[Property Is Robbery]

I just listened to play your part. I don't think anyone is worse than Rick Ross. I mean holy shit was that bad. I think I'd rather listen to taylor swift

Justin Bieber>Rick Ross

[Property Is Robbery]

Why didnt Biggie take it up with Jay? Call him a sell out?

I been reading Jay Z's book Decoded which i got for xmas, which is a kind of autobiography and collection of lyrics. Jay talks of smoking a blunt with Biggie in 1996, going to a club with Biggie in 1996 etc. Didnt seem like Biggie cared.
Of course he's not gonna stop hanging out with him cuz he started a label..

Jay z sucks end of story. Although he's probably better than kanye and rick ross.

[Spawn of Stalin]

There is this thing that doseone says, he says if your favourite mc doesn't find doing what he does difficult then he basically is wack or something like that. I guess what dose means by that is you all have bad taste in music. Though to be fair Jay Z kept it pretty real for about as long as could be expected and still puts out the occassional good tune so w/e respect to him but Rick Ross can choke for all I care.

[malthusela]

Jay Z is a boring rapper anyway.

We need some actual rap in this thread.

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[apawllo]

Obviously I can't say for sure, but I doubt Biggie would be cool with this:

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By the way, Jay-Z didn't start Roc-A-Fella, he stole it...just like most of his rhymes.

Furthermore:

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[Pirate Utopian]

Jay-Z says lines by Biggie in homage, he also did the same for UGK on 99 Problems. It hardly qualifies as biting as he just does 1 or 2 lines. If he stole verses or a couple of bars I'd see it as biting.

Nas and Jay-Z's has been over since forever and has even officialy been squashed. They've appeared on eachothers songs since then.


but just the fact he did a song with Jay z is enough to loose all potential respect.
Just remembered he did a song with Dead Prez. In 2004. About 8 years after Jay founded Roc-A-Fella. Better refrain from listening to Dead Prez now.

[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

Haters gonna hate.

http://idolator.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/rickross.jpg

[FreeFocus]

I do want to know why Rick Ross acts like he's a street cat when he was a fucking correctional officer, though. He did say that he never ratted anyone out or arrested anyone, but still.

[bailey_187]

officer ricky!

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Rick Ross was a prison guard.

"If you want to see some of the scum of society, just go to a prison parking lot at shift change!" - Paul Harvey

[apawllo]

Jay-Z says lines by Biggie in homage, he also did the same for UGK on 99 Problems. It hardly qualifies as biting as he just does 1 or 2 lines. If he stole verses or a couple of bars I'd see it as biting.

Yeah, he does it multiple times on every track, to the point where it's mostly just a patchwork of other rappers shit, and you start to wonder if he even writes rhymes at all.


Nas and Jay-Z's has been over since forever and has even officialy been squashed. They've appeared on eachothers songs since then.

That doesn't change the fact that all the shit said on that track was, is and forever will be true. The damage was done. :cool:


Just remembered he did a song with Dead Prez. In 2004. About 8 years after Jay founded Roc-A-Fella. Better refrain from listening to Dead Prez now.

Jay-Z has worked with some respectable artists. That will never make them any less respectable, or Jay-Z any more so. Neither will coming to the defense of your favorite dirty capitalist.

[#FF0000]

I don't like Rick Ross.

IT is pretty bad though.

He is better than Soulja Boy though i mean really

[#FF0000]

I don't understand everyone's hatred for Jay-Z either.

[apawllo]

I don't understand everyone's hatred for Jay-Z either.

Go buy his awesome new album on iTunes. It has Rhianna, Kid Cudi, and some other people who no one will remember in 2 years featured. Meanwhile, Jay-Z keeps 65% of the profits for spitting recycled Biggie verses, distributed through his stolen record label. On the other hand, rappers who actually respect hip-hop are lucky to get a dime.

[#FF0000]

rihanna's been around since like 1998 though and i don't see what his business practices have to do with him as a rapper.

he is a good rapper.

[bailey_187]

Go buy his awesome new album on iTunes. It has Rhianna, Kid Cudi, and some other people who no one will remember in 2 years featured. Meanwhile, Jay-Z keeps 65% of the profits for spitting recycled Biggie verses, distributed through his stolen record label. On the other hand, rappers who actually respect hip-hop are lucky to get a dime.

kid cudi is going to be remembrd tbh. if u steam brocolu, cudi never gets old.

lol seriously, stop lisnin to Either u twat

[apawllo]

A quote from M-1 of Dead Prez from this year:


What happened to hip hop was the use of capitalism in hip hop. I was listening to EPMD the other day, and Parrish said—I don’t want to misquote him—but he said, “And I still don’t see one rapper living comfortably.” Things have changed since that time. We have found artists who have developed the capitalist mold into their way of thinking. Artists have even shifted from the artistry to how well you can make money. That really shows how good of an MC you can be. So if you come on the scene, and you are seen as someone who can be influential and knows how to turn capital over, then generally you can speak the language of hip hop. That’s why Jay-Z has found affluence, and Young Jeezy, the moneymaking aspect of it. To me, that’s the poison. That’s the poison in it, is the indoctrination of capitalism. Not to say we don’t need people to understand the business of making money; but the model wasn’t Marcus Garvey—the model became people like Rockefeller.”

[bailey_187]

Marcus Garvey was reactionary.

[apawllo]

You could substitute many names or ideologies there, and the point remains generally the same whether or not you agree with DP's modern views. It's an anti-capitalist message, and he has a point.

[FreeFocus]

Marcus Garvey was reactionary.

Sure, his tactics were questionable (and even some of his personal conduct), but to make a blanket statement like this is ignorant. You can't disregard a man who fought for Africans to have pride and self-respect that was systematically stripped from them by White supremacy. He was a Black Nationalist (i.e., nationalism of the oppressed), and yeah, we can debate about whether or not his end goal would have changed things fundamentally, but he wasn't a member of the bourgeoisie. He grew up poor, was never wealthy, and had the interests of Africans worldwide at heart in a world that was disgustingly racist.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Rick Ross' lyrics are stupid as hell. I'm sorry, they just are. Same goes for almost all hip-hop artists who get radio play. Immortal Technique's lyrics are a bit better, albeit a bit pretentious.

However, I will say that I do like Rick Ross et al a lot more than the Immortal Techniques of the world, simply because the songs are better produced and catchier. I'm all about the production end of hip-hop...I couldn't care less about the lyrical content. That's where Immortal Technique fails.

[Widerstand]

He went from rapping with people like AZ and Biggie to kanye. Plushe's responsible for rihanna's career.

As a lunatic Rihanna fan I'm offended and demand explanation of this atrocious excuse for an opinion.

[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

"I'm in tha distribution across the adlantic. I got some pretty things coming in across tha....Adlantic."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxQk1Q9_u1Q

Classic Rawwse, thats why he's the boss. Genius to notice that Adlantic rhymes with Adlantic.

[Pirate Utopian]

I bought Decoded yesterday, only read the first chapter but so far it's a really interesting book. Flipping through it he does touch on politics in it quite alot. Malcolm X and the Panthers and such.

I also downloaded some more Jay-Z songs.
Tell me PiR if Jay-Z only raps with "bourgeois pig lovers" what about Too Short, Big Daddy Kane, Outkast, Big L and Snoop Dogg?

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Rick Ross' lyrics are stupid as hell. I'm sorry, they just are. Same goes for almost all hip-hop artists who get radio play. Immortal Technique's lyrics are a bit better, albeit a bit pretentious.

However, I will say that I do like Rick Ross et al a lot more than the Immortal Techniques of the world, simply because the songs are better produced and catchier. I'm all about the production end of hip-hop...I couldn't care less about the lyrical content. That's where Immortal Technique fails.

Well I wouldn't say I care about the subject of the lyrics as long as they are written well, delivered well. So I agree to some extent but the idea of just basing hip hop songs on production completely I don't agree with.

[Sarah Palin]

You see, I like the idea of Immortal Technique: a pretty radical serious rapper. But he doesn't deliver. I can never get into his songs. Either the beats or his flow don't do it for me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VL7MWXY_Gc

you could use a laugh

[bailey_187]

You see, I like the idea of Immortal Technique: a pretty radical serious rapper. But he doesn't deliver. I can never get into his songs. Either the beats or his flow don't do it for me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VL7MWXY_Gc

you could use a laugh

Gudda Gudda's version better MT-VYrYnAnk

[Boboulas]

LMAO massive fail here bailey xD


Ross is a joke cmon man, his beats are worse than his lyrics. That includes the one tech sampled on "watch out".

Even just for production value there are better than ross. Primo, blue scholars, nas, cunninlyinguists, tonedeff, dre, eminem.

Besides lyrics matter to just about every hip-hop fan so im interested to hear why you care more about production value then lyrical content?

[Pirate Utopian]

blue scholars, cunninlyinguists, tonedeff.
Boring stuff.


Besides lyrics matter to just about every hip-hop fan
This pretty much false since hip-hop's day one. If you're talking b-boys or people who just wanna dance. Can't say they aren't hip-hop fans.

I can dig lyrical stuff but not every rapper I listen I listen to is because of the lyrics.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Well, there is a bunch of dope instrumental hip hop, some of Doom's Special Herbs are alright, Jel is dope, Odd Nosdam is dope, J Dilla is dope, RJD2 is dope. That being said when there is an MC I find it pretty difficult not to care about lyrical content, but still, for me it's 50/50, producers are just as important as MCs. You ever heard Rakim's 'The Master'? Perfect example of how bad production can ruin can ruin great lyrics, and since Rakim is pretty much the undisputed greatest lyricist who ever lived, I'd say for that reason production is just as important.

[apawllo]

That's a dumb excuse tbh. Eric B's beats weren't even good. And Rakim's not even that amazing lyrically. He's more known for innovation of internal rhyme schemes and such, which every quality rapper was using by the time the 90's rolled around. Guys like Nas were doing it more effectively than Rakim ever did. After Nas dropped Illmatic in 94, no one could give a fuck about Rakim doing the same shit he did 15 years prior. So The Master wasn't looked upon the same way as the albums he dropped in the 80s. And if we're being logical, he can't be expected to drop new material with decades of time off, especially with fans under the expectation that his album's going to reinvent hip-hop or something. This is the reason why his newest album was looked upon as such garbage, even with modern features and industry-style production. His style is naturally going to decline over time. That's not to say he didn't give something amazing to hip-hop, but let's be honest, put him up against a guy like Pharoahe Monch and Pharoahe wins in a landslide, lyrically speaking...and probably uses his techniques more effectively as well.

[Boboulas]

This pretty much false since hip-hop's day one. If you're talking b-boys or people who just wanna dance. Can't say they aren't hip-hop fans.

Ask any rapper how big is lyricism to their genre and you'll hear its the most important factor in their music. Even technique said "bring back the break dancers and graffiti writes with fame". Their biggest criticism is the fact that hip-hop has been taken over by corperate labels who restrict freedom of artists and even take more money than the artist from sales but artists do it anyway for the fame or an advance (360 deals). Basicly the history is just not relvent anymore because hip-hop culture has changed so much.



I can dig lyrical stuff but not every rapper I listen I listen to is because of the lyrics.

Thats fair enough. Hip-hop has many different branches so im not saying you should listen to hip-hop specificly for lyrics or any reason really, find the ones you enjoy the most and listen, dodge the ones you dislike.

[Spawn of Stalin]

That's a dumb excuse tbh. Eric B's beats weren't even good. And Rakim's not even that amazing lyrically. He's more known for innovation of internal rhyme schemes and such, which every quality rapper was using by the time the 90's rolled around. Guys like Nas were doing it more effectively than Rakim ever did. After Nas dropped Illmatic in 94, no one could give a fuck about Rakim doing the same shit he did 15 years prior. So The Master wasn't looked upon the same way as the albums he dropped in the 80s. And if we're being logical, he can't be expected to drop new material with decades of time off, especially with fans under the expectation that his album's going to reinvent hip-hop or something. This is the reason why his newest album was looked upon as such garbage, even with modern features and industry-style production. His style is naturally going to decline over time. That's not to say he didn't give something amazing to hip-hop, but let's be honest, put him up against a guy like Pharoahe Monch and Pharoahe wins in a landslide, lyrically speaking...and probably uses his techniques more effectively as well.

He reinvented rhyming, and a bunch of others followed suit, that doesn't make them better, you wouldn't argue that the guy who came up with the energy saving lightbult was a better inventor than Thomas Edison would you? Or that Lenin had a greater understanding of Marx's ideas than Marx and Engels. Sure, Nas and
Pharoahe Monch can both hold their own against Rakim, but half of that is down to what they learned from the guy. The only reason Rakim isn't a megastar today is because he holds on to the golden age that no longer exists, and that isn't profitable. Dude could be one of the hottest things going today if he wanted to. And 'Seventh Seal' is easily in my top 5 albums of last year.

But anyway, my point was that 'The Master' was lyrically awesome, but bad production ruined it.