Originally posted by
[email protected] 27 2003, 12:32 AM
And another thing Redstar2000, are you opposed to all forms of government? Including, local & regional? Or are you just opposed to the state? After all the state is very different to local government. Especially if they are run properly by the people.
Actually, what I'm opposed to is the attitude that says (or implies) that we can hand over decision-making power to a small group who will "look after" us.
Ultimately, that's a childish view of social reality; instead of "Big Daddy" in the sky, we'll trust in "Big Daddy" in the White House or the Kremlin or in City Hall to "look after" us.
Adults look after themselves, regardless of what kinds of public authorities are established after the revolution. They insist that whatever public authorities may be set up, they are "ultra-democratic", directly controlled by the masses, and never trusted to "do the right thing" but always watched closely and recalled instantly if they show any signs of authoritarian behavior.
The use of direct democracy will dominate the political process; the 4th or 5th generation of the Internet should make that technically feasible.
It's interesting to note that however much Leninists and reformists disagree, they do agree on one central proposition: the masses cannot be trusted.
Real communists (and many anarchists) disagree.
And another thing Redstar2000, are you opposed to all forms of government? Including, local & regional? Or are you just opposed to the state? After all the state is very different to local government. Especially if they are run properly by the people.
Actually, what I'm opposed to is the attitude that says (or implies) that we can hand over decision-making power to a small group who will "look after" us.
No small group can look after all people. But if we have to have a government it is their job to look after those who can not look after themselves. (Insane, young etc.)
Ultimately, that's a childish view of social reality; instead of "Big Daddy" in the sky, we'll trust in "Big Daddy" in the White House or the Kremlin or in City Hall to "look after" us.
"Big Daddy" in the sky may just be a figment of our imagination, just as your atheism is just a thought. Neither of us have any proof at all.
Adults look after themselves, regardless of what kinds of public authorities are established after the revolution. They insist that whatever public authorities may be set up, they are "ultra-democratic", directly controlled by the masses, and never trusted to "do the right thing" but always watched closelyand recalled instantlyif they show any signs of authoritarian behavior.
I agree with this. Authorities should be able to do what their job (looking after roads for instance) with out interference. But if they do it wrong yes they should be recalled immediately.
The use of direct democracy will dominate the political process; the 4th or 5th generation of the Internet should make that technically feasible.
I have never agrued for anything other then true democracy. I have always said that the people should be able to recall the government. They should have a true say in the desision making process. But here is a question, What about people in the poorer parts of Africa and other poor parts of the world. Do they get to vote as well? Using your great fifth generation Internet. I maintain that we can not have communism in one country. But I do have a time frame. It will take less then fifty years from world government to no government.
It's interesting to note that however much Leninists and reformists disagree, they do agree on one central proposition: the masses cannot be trusted.
Yes the masses can not be trusted. I admit that now. Only however, to the extent that they are uniformed by the current ruling classes. While we have those lower in the social scale being apathetic about others and voting in people like Bush & Howard. Why I don't think they can be trusted. But when they know the facts I am sure that they can make decisions in their best interests. And that includes voting for Socialists.
Real communists (and many anarchists) disagree.
I call my self an anarcho-communist, yet I know that we can not implement a communist society in one country and probably not through revulution.
And please don't quote me out of context. If you do quote use all the paragraph.
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