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Lobotomy
28th December 2010, 04:33
I'm in a debate and I need some examples, historical or not, of barriers to individuals personal growth that are inherent in capitalism that have absolutely *nothing* to do with the state. I already have the idea of culture of poverty and child labor, what are some others?

Savior
28th December 2010, 04:45
I'm in a debate and I need some examples, historical or not, of barriers to individuals personal growth that are inherent in capitalism that have absolutely *nothing* to do with the state. I already have the idea of culture of poverty and child labor, what are some others?

Enviroment, as in be required to specialize and educatioN in schooled gearEd towards not personal growth, but instead things that are only useful in a job setting.

Lobotomy
28th December 2010, 05:23
Good one Savior, thanks.
Oh and I'd also like to ask for examples of how capitalism promotes destructive behaviors, but again, non-state related.

Misanthrope
28th December 2010, 05:38
Let me guess you're debating an anarcho-capitalist a.k.a talking to a brick wall. No matter what you say, no matter how logical it is, they will answer either:

A) That isn't TRUE capitalism.
B) The market will solve the problem.

They think the market is an all giving and all loving god.

Don't waste your time comrade but I have nothing better to do so let's have at it.. I would first argue that without any defense of workers rights that wage slavery would be worse than it is currently under the state. Now I wouldn't use the term wage slavery because it will be like sharks in a feeding frenzy just list the affects on the individual due to wage slavery. What's more, is that capitalism is a system that is entirely based on buying and selling goods. From birth society expects you to get a job, buy stuff, invest ect. Capitalism does not uphold the individual, it upholds materials and monetary value. Also, in a capitalist workplace (dictatorship of the workplace) the workers have no say and that would be far worse in an "anarcho-capitalist" society.

good luck

Misanthrope
28th December 2010, 05:44
Good one Savior, thanks.
Oh and I'd also like to ask for examples of how capitalism promotes destructive behaviors, but again, non-state related.

Imperialism and war is financially beneficial to the capitalist class. They create the weapons, they create the propaganda, then they bomb the shit out of a country's infrastructure and have their own companies rebuild it. On a smaller scale, poverty (which is a result of capitalism), creates crime (theft, murder, gang activity ect..)

Lobotomy
28th December 2010, 17:32
Let me guess you're debating an anarcho-capitalist a.k.a talking to a brick wall.

More or less, though I think he prefers the term 'market anarchist'. It can be a bit frustrating but he's not really opposed to voluntary socialism so I'm enjoying it. Thanks for your help.

Savior
28th December 2010, 18:22
More or less, though I think he prefers the term 'market anarchist'. It can be a bit frustrating but he's not really opposed to voluntary socialism so I'm enjoying it. Thanks for your help.

Adam smith when talking about the invisible hand of the market, saw it as a double edge sword, and talked about how it only applied to small business not large corporations (in a round about way). Lastly, he was pro-progressive tax and regulation.