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Squat For Shelter
27th December 2010, 14:57
Couldnt believe this.

Did you know that the United States Army is concerned with the spiritual well-being of their soldiers? Did you know that if you choose not to believe in the supernatural that the United States Army can consider you unfit to serve? Allow me to enlighten you about an issue that was brought to my attention by my friend, Sgt.

Justin Griffith, Fort Bragg, NC. The US Army distributes a mandatory survey called an SFT, which stands for “Soldier Fitness Tracker”. The purpose of this survey is to measure an individual soldier’s competency in four areas, Emotional, Social, Family and Spiritual.

Justin is an atheist, as well as a highly dedicated soldier, but according to the SFT, he is “unfit” to serve specifically because he is a non-believer.


Justin informs me that soldiers are directed to answer, on a scale of 1-5, some awkwardly structured questions, such as “My life will have a lasting meaning”, “I feel connected to a being that is greater than me”, “I’m a very spiritual person”. Etc. Justin was “Red Barred” in the Spiritual Competency area. According to the US Army:

A red bar means that you face some significant challenges in this area. This means that you should focus most of your attention on this area, though you should also note that placing too much emphasis here could result in other dimensions dropping. The key is to properly balance where you need the most development with the areas you are already doing well in.


Here is a direct “Cut & Paste” from his survey results, under the “Spiritual Fitness” category:

Spiritual fitness is an area of possible difficulty for you. You may lack a sense of meaning and purpose in your life.

At times, it is hard for you to make sense of what is happening to you and others around you. You may not feel connected to something larger than yourself.

You may question your beliefs, principles, and values. Nevertheless, who you are and what you do matter.

There are things to do to provide more meaning and purpose in your life. Improving your spiritual fitness should be an important goal. Change is possible, and the relevant self-development training modules will be helpful.

If you need further help, please do not hesitate to seek out help from the people you care about and trust – strong people always do. Be patient in your development as it will take time to improve in this area. Still, persistence is key and you will improve here if you make this area a priority.


The arrogance continues… The survey further advises Sgt. Griffith that he may question his beliefs, principles and values and offered suggestions for things to do to provide more meaning and purpose in his life and advised him that improving his spiritual fitness should be an important goal.

To add insult to injury, a phone number is offered to connect with a counselor who is ready to assist with a problem that requires immediate attention. To make matters worse, the survey asks for permission to use the data in an anonymously aggregated manner, meaning the results may be used by the U.S. Government and/or the public.

This is not even an insinuation. The US Army has taken the position that a soldier who does not feel connected to a deity is an incomplete person, and that a lack of belief will somehow compromise their principles and values. It’s right there, in black and white.

That the US Army would take such a position is deplorable, and the fact that it is mandatory appears to be a direct violation of the First Amendment of the constitution that these very soldiers put themselves in harms way to protect.

It is discriminatory in every way and undermines the confidence that every soldier should have that their Government is supportive of them, regardless of their belief or disbelief in a deity.

Justin is spot on when he stated that, “spirituality has nothing to do with being a soldier. That is a private matter for soldiers, and in no way should any command be evaluating how ‘fit’ a soldier is based upon his beliefs or lack thereof”


Those of us who are soldiers, former soldier and old soldiers, we have the likes former Presidents such as Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and to a degree Taft, Lincoln and Washington.

Obama has exhibited some promise in the area of recognizing us as complete citizens, but the “opposition” has the senior George Bush making statements like, “I don’t know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots.

This is one nation under God”, and junior George taking direction from his god whether or not to drop bombs. In fact, a February 1989 letter drafted by Bush’s White House counsel reads, “As you are aware, the President is a religious man who neither supports atheism nor believes that atheism should be unnecessarily encouraged or supported by the government.”

Now that our President and Commander-in-Chief has succeeded in repealing DADT, perhaps he should make it very clear to everyone that being an atheist should not have a detrimental effect our soldiers, as well. If you so choose, you can lodge your complaints to the boss here:

Widerstand
27th December 2010, 17:48
Quick, send in the Dawkins lot.

Raúl Duke
27th December 2010, 19:25
good, I don't want to serve the US military anyway.

Mannimarco
27th December 2010, 19:46
This will be a good card for you american communists to play if you ever get conscripted.

Ninel
27th December 2010, 21:32
This will be a good card for you american communists to play if you ever get conscripted.
Don't even have to play it as a card, just object to fight no matter the consequences, but this does make matters worse.

timbaly
27th December 2010, 22:15
“I feel connected to a being that is greater than me”, “I’m a very spiritual person”.








At times, it is hard for you to make sense of what is happening to you and others around you. You may not feel connected to something larger than yourself.


I love how not believing in a higher being equates to not feeling connected to something larger than yourself.

Lt. Ferret
30th December 2010, 00:16
i took this test too you fake all the answers if youre not a fucking idiot, or else half my unit would be flagged for morale problems when they put ABSOLUTELY NOT when it asks if they would re-up their enlistment contracts at this installation.

it also flags you if you drink alcohol more than like twice a week and some other stupid stuff.

yes, its stupid, and yes, what you posted is legitimate in its stupidity, but it has a lot of other stupid things in it and only an idiot would be honest on something so impersonal and able to get army bureaucrats to wringe their hands and hope they dont have a future alcoholic case on their hands.

Sensible Socialist
30th December 2010, 00:19
As if the best people to do imperialists' bidding are the devout and faithful.

You can't call yourself a Christian, or someone of any peaceful major faith for that matter, and serve in the U.S. military.

Palingenisis
30th December 2010, 00:25
i took this test too you fake all the answers if youre not a fucking idiot, or else half my unit would be flagged for morale problems when they put ABSOLUTELY NOT when it asks if they would re-up their enlistment contracts at this installation.



Anyone willing to risk their lives for Imperialism is a fucking idiot.

Or a psychopath.

Revolution starts with U
30th December 2010, 06:00
Or has a family history of service and/or was broke with no hope of schooling...

Sensible Socialist
30th December 2010, 06:03
Or has a family history of service and/or was broke with no hope of schooling...
Lets not try and make excuses for being part of a murderous war machine.

Revolution starts with U
30th December 2010, 06:08
I in no way made excuses for it. But to think it is so simple as "psycho or idiot" is naivete. Hegemony is a very subtle phenomenon.

Black Sheep
1st January 2011, 12:11
Lucky US atheists.
Army serving is obligatory here, and they dont give a crap if you're an atheist.

brigadista
1st January 2011, 13:35
us army has god on its side.......:D:D

graymouser
1st January 2011, 13:53
Lets not try and make excuses for being part of a murderous war machine.
The questions of a volunteer army are somewhat different from one under conscription, but a line like this is ultra-left and ignores the important concept of what folks in the antiwar movement call the "poverty draft." Essentially, today the army is something of a class question: a disproportionate number of what a generation or two ago would have been working class people and people of color, with no particular hope of getting to college and a better job outside of the Army, join for purely economic reasons and then just hope to not get killed. This is the reality, if not for the officer corps which is traditionally the center of reaction anyway, at least for the enlisted troops.

I had a number of childhood friends who weren't great at school and joined the Army for those reasons, and wound up getting shipped off to Iraq for years of their lives. These weren't violent or psychopathic kids, just guys without much else in their futures who joined up and found themselves off in Iraq. And I used to listen to the casualty reports and just hope like hell I didn't know anybody in them. Fortunately everybody I know has gotten out of the service alive, but not everyone is so lucky. (My uncle was also a career mechanic in the Navy and near the end of his 20 years got to do two tours in Iraq that have left him with crippling depression. Great present, US imperialism!)

So, you know, you can go around shouting about the murderous war machine if you want. But there are real people who are ground down in that machine and talking about them like they're amoral psychopaths is fucked up.

Dimentio
1st January 2011, 14:44
The most technically advanced army in the world is also well-known for wasting money on spiritualism and superstition.

*cough* Albert Stubblebine III *cough*

JimFar
1st January 2011, 15:23
Although the capacity of the US armed forces to engage in all manner of foolishness should never be underestimated, there is a certain logic to their view that religiosity is possibly an important determinant of fitness to serve. Given the fact that now a days, the Army is engaged in wars and military actions that are difficult to justify in rational terms, it would seem that a willingness to swallow the most irrational ideas might be a useful criterion for judging fitness to serve, since any rational, well-informed person would decline to serve such a war machine, if they have other options.

Dimentio
2nd January 2011, 11:00
Although the capacity of the US armed forces to engage in all manner of foolishness should never be underestimated, there is a certain logic to their view that religiosity is possibly an important determinant of fitness to serve. Given the fact that now a days, the Army is engaged in wars and military actions that are difficult to justify in rational terms, it would seem that a willingness to swallow the most irrational ideas might be a useful criterion for judging fitness to serve, since any rational, well-informed person would decline to serve such a war machine, if they have other options.

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=19200

Lt. Ferret
2nd January 2011, 15:05
Lets not try and make excuses for being part of a murderous war machine.


cry about it, you privileged bourgeoisie proletariat fetishist :thumbup1::D:thumbup1:


i have "no religious preference" on my dog tag and if i die i in service already have it so that ill have some variation of a viking funeral, just cuz i can.

Drosophila
2nd March 2011, 21:48
Who would actually want to serve anyway?

TheCultofAbeLincoln
3rd March 2011, 00:36
Poor proletarian types with few options.

Ele'ill
3rd March 2011, 00:38
Fuck their troops.

Rafiq
4th March 2011, 23:18
This should be counted as a glorious proletarian victory comrades!

Pretty Flaco
4th March 2011, 23:57
US army will pay for college tuition.

Tablo
5th March 2011, 00:08
US army will pay for college tuition.
Very true. My campus is covered in troops.

Pretty Flaco
5th March 2011, 00:12
As far as I know, most troops don't see any real action anyway. I was under the impression that most of it was saved for the marines.

psgchisolm
5th March 2011, 04:01
There are two issues here: number of soldiers in combat in relation to the number of soldiers required to support each combat soldier; and marines vs. regular infantry.

The first is the "boots in the bush" "asses in the grasses" problem -- kind of like the number of production workers vs. the number of support, administrative, clerical etc. workers in industrial production.

As far as "saving" actual combat for marines.... well the marines might want you to believe that, but it doesn't play out that way. Didn't play out that way in Vietnam, it didn't work out that way in Iraq.Hasn't played out that way in a majority of the conflicts/wars. Usually it's the army who fights first THEN the marines come in taking all the fame. Marines are divided up also, it's not just all marines go into combat. They have designations just like other branches for infantry. Infantry marines are "regular infantry" the same as the Army infantry. That said the majority of combat done now is by the Army on Combat outposts or Forward Operating Bases out in the middle of nowhere.

Reznov
5th March 2011, 16:22
I think you were not interpreting that right.

I think their trying to connect it to like believing in what your fighting for, your leaders actions and trusting in it and following them etc...



So yeah, I am unfit for the US Army.

Nothing Human Is Alien
5th March 2011, 16:26
The questions of a volunteer army are somewhat different from one under conscription, but a line like this is ultra-left and ignores the important concept of what folks in the antiwar movement call the "poverty draft." Essentially, today the army is something of a class question: a disproportionate number of what a generation or two ago would have been working class people and people of color, with no particular hope of getting to college and a better job outside of the Army, join for purely economic reasons and then just hope to not get killed. This is the reality, if not for the officer corps which is traditionally the center of reaction anyway, at least for the enlisted troops.

Not according to the conservative Heritage Foundation:

This report (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2008/08/who-serves-in-the-us-military-the-demographics-of-enlisted-troops-and-officers) finds that


U.S. military service disproportionately attracts enlisted personnel and officers who do not come from disadvantaged backgrounds. Previous Heritage Foundation research demonstrated that the quality of enlisted troops has increased since the start of the Iraq war. This report demonstrates that the same is true of the officer corps.
Members of the all-volunteer military are significantly more likely to come from high-income neighborhoods than from low-income neighborhoods. Only 11 percent of enlisted recruits in 2007 came from the poorest one-fifth (quintile) of neighborhoods, while 25 percent came from the wealthiest quintile. These trends are even more pronounced in the Army Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) program, in which 40 percent of enrollees come from the wealthiest neighborhoods-a number that has increased substantially over the past four years.
American soldiers are more educated than their peers. A little more than 1 percent of enlisted personnel lack a high school degree, compared to 21 percent of men 18-24 years old, and 95 percent of officer accessions have at least a bachelor's degree.
Contrary to conventional wisdom, minorities are not overrepresented in military service. Enlisted troops are somewhat more likely to be white or black than their non-military peers. Whites are proportionately represented in the officer corps, and blacks are overrepresented, but their rate of overrepresentation has declined each year from 2004 to 2007. New recruits are also disproportionately likely to come from the South, which is in line with the history of Southern military tradition.

Thug Lessons
5th March 2011, 21:35
Not that I support service in the imperialists' military, but is there any reason to believe the Heritage Foundation is any less full of shit in this case than they usually are?

#FF0000
6th March 2011, 04:37
Who would actually want to serve anyway?

Kids who join say it's "college money" but in my experience, that's a secondary concern. The kids I've known to join generally feel they're living worthless dead-end lives and feel like they need to "do something" with their life. They're alienated and usually really hungry for some kind of respect.

But that's just my experience in friends and people I know who joined the Army to be cannon fodder.