Pets after the revolution

[thriller]

So after the communist revolution, all private property would be abolished. But can I still keep my rabbits? Or do they fall under abolishing property since they are considered property under capitalism and are independent creatures?

Thanks!

[PoliticalNightmare]

Transportable goods are personal property, not private.

[Lyev]

Communists do not want to abolish rabbits (or any kind of pet for that matter); we want to abolish bourgeois private property.

[DecDoom]

Marx distinguished between private property and personal commodities, and pets fall under personal commodities.

Your rabbits are safe. ;)

[Rafiq]

So after the communist revolution, all private property would be abolished. But can I still keep my rabbits? Or do they fall under abolishing property since they are considered property under capitalism and are independent creatures?

Thanks!

No.

Private property = Means of Production.

You can't own capital.

But other than that, you can have whatever, house, computer, everthing.

If you today are working class, you won't lose anything.

[hatzel]

Depends whose revolution it is. If the primitivists (or maybe even certain veganarchists) somehow end up leading the charge, then you might find yourself deprived of your rabbits, but that would be based more on a 'but...surely you can't claim to own living creatures, they must run free!' idea, rather than anything to do with property rights and so on.

That other side is a question I'm sure any animal liberation activists on here might want to get their teeth stuck into. I haven't personally known any to actually call for the abolishment of pet-keeping, so long as it is not exploitative, without being lampooned by their comrades for being primitivist kents. So I think even then their status as independent creatures wouldn't make any difference, as long as they are treated well. Generally-speaking, the treatment of animals in 'production' is vastly different from the treatment of pets, and I think that only the former would see any change post-revolution. Unless, as said, the revolution is a primitivist one. As primitivists are restricted here on RevLeft, though, something tells me that wasn't the revolution you were asking about...

:rolleyes:

[Psy]

No.

Private property = Means of Production.

You can't own capital.

But other than that, you can have whatever, house, computer, everthing.

If you today are working class, you won't lose anything.
Not only that but even if we were to say pet rabbits produced utility it would be on such a insignificant scale. The only change I could see is pet rabbits having to be on You Tube so their utility (cuteness) could be maximized across the communist world but that is kinda stupid since there is enough pet owners putting up pet videos now, it is unlikely any more utility would be created by the other pet owners also putting up pet videos, thus there really would be no change that I can think of when it comes to pets.

[Sixiang]

Depends whose revolution it is. If the primitivists (or maybe even certain veganarchists) somehow end up leading the charge, then you might find yourself deprived of your rabbits, but that would be based more on a 'but...surely you can't claim to own living creatures, they must run free!' idea, rather than anything to do with property rights and so on.

That other side is a question I'm sure any animal liberation activists on here might want to get their teeth stuck into. I haven't personally known any to actually call for the abolishment of pet-keeping, so long as it is not exploitative, without being lampooned by their comrades for being primitivist kents. So I think even then their status as independent creatures wouldn't make any difference, as long as they are treated well. Generally-speaking, the treatment of animals in 'production' is vastly different from the treatment of pets, and I think that only the former would see any change post-revolution. Unless, as said, the revolution is a primitivist one. As primitivists are restricted here on RevLeft, though, something tells me that wasn't the revolution you were asking about...

:rolleyes:
This is pretty much what I would say. It just depends on whether or not the majority of the people become vegans or something, which seems unlikely to me. I definitely don't think that animals should be exploited, but I see nothing wrong with pet-ownership. It can be good for both human and animal to have a companion. I'm sure your rabbits will be safe, though.

[thriller]

The only change I could see is pet rabbits having to be on You Tube so their utility (cuteness) could be maximized across the communist world but that is kinda stupid since there is enough pet owners putting up pet videos now, it is unlikely any more utility would be created by the other pet owners also putting up pet videos, thus there really would be no change that I can think of when it comes to pets.

HAHA maximize cuteness utility. Nice.

[Thirsty Crow]

So after the communist revolution, all private property would be abolished. But can I still keep my rabbits? Or do they fall under abolishing property since they are considered property under capitalism and are independent creatures?

Thanks!
Private property as in "ownership of the means of production" (or in other words - property which produces more and more property, more and more value and wealth). I fail to see how your rabbit or my cat for that matter could be considered property which would be...what, socialized?

Oh yeah, and I wouldn't let go of my cat, nor any of my pets. I love 'em and I take good care of them. That should be enough.

[Rafiq]

Depends whose revolution it is. If the primitivists (or maybe even certain veganarchists) somehow end up leading the charge...


Well remember there is a good number of us who are against Vangaurdism ;)

[IndependentCitizen]

I sure as hell hope no primitivists get hold of power, my dog's my best friend. And he's living a dog's dream, he's spoilt as it is!

[RED DAVE]

Rabbits of the world unite!

You have nothing to lose but your hutches!

You have a garden to win!


RED DAVE

[Widerstand]

I think the ALF would like a word with you folks.

[piet11111]

We do not want to nationalize everyone's toothbrushes.

[maskerade]

We do not want to nationalize everyone's toothbrushes.

speak for yourself.

[hatzel]

I think the ALF would like a word with you folks.

Who, this guy?

http://gamingground.blogg.se/images/2010/alf_114222479.jpg

Seriously, though, even the ALF don't have any problems with pet-keeping (judging by my interactions with ALF and other animal liberation activists)...in fact, they'd even actively support your keeping of rabbits if this rabbit had been saved from a laboratory or something :rolleyes: Though I'm all up for letting this conversation become a discussion of what 'uses' of animals should and shouldn't be acceptable after the revolution. Which would take this conversation from a 'would pets be common property after the revolution?' question to 'would pets be an acceptable thing to be privately- or communally-owned at all after the revolution?' question. Thereafter leading to questions of vivisection, circuses, whatever. But that might just be unfairly hijacking a perfectly light-hearted thread :ohmy:


Well remember there is a good number of us who are against Vangaurdism ;)

Luckily I'm not part of any primitivist vanguard, or any vanguard, for that matter, but no amount of our being against vanguardism will ensure that there will not be any vanguard group leading a revolution somewhere. Therefore, it's good to cover all the bases...if the OP's question is to be fully answered...and perhaps to invite a little 'luckily the primitivists will never be able to organise anything, so there's no risk of that!' comment here and there...