Yellow Socialism?

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I was reading through one one the threads here and I saw the term being used a few times.

What is it exactly?

[Rafiq]

Not completely sure, but I believe in relates to corporatism.

[x371322]

Here's what Wikipedia has to say:


Yellow socialism has two meanings.

It is primarily a system of government devised by Pierre Biétry in 1904, that offers the working classes a contrasting alternative to "red socialism" (Marxism). It was prominent in the early twentieth century prior to World War I, competing with Marxism for the minds of the workers. After this point, this movement became absorbed into fascism, and the previously developed Austrian national socialism which from 1920 developed into Nazism.

This philosophy entailed workers striving to be part of a capitalist system, forming unions that were equal with groups of companies (similar to corporatism). Workers were to share in company profits more greatly through negotiation between these two groups. The philosophy proposed that above this should lie a strong autocratic state.

However, the term was appropriated by Marxists to describe self-described socialists who were seen by Marxists as on the side of the ruling class; all non-Marxists considering themselves socialists ("revisionists"), whether they identified with the label or not. This usage included many whose ideas would later be known as social democracy and democratic socialism, very different concepts to that devised by Biétry.

[Sasha]

Restricted user lt. Ferret calls himself this, so ask in OI learning if you want an personal take.

[ComradeOm]

Compare with yellow unions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_union)

[synthesis]

Restricted user lt. Ferret calls himself this, so ask in OI learning if you want an personal take.

I suspect that his usage of the term is more than a little facetious.

[Obs]

I suspect that his usage of the term is more than a little facetious.
I think it's more likely he's just an idiot. He's demonstrated that more than enough times to lead me to that conclusion.

Yellow socialists are proto-fascists to be persecuted and silenced.

[Sixiang]

Here's what Wikipedia has to say:

So basically it's fascism.

[Tavarisch_Mike]

So basically it's fascism.

More a term for class traitors (at least in Sweden)

[Sasha]

So basically it's fascism.


as its predates fascism it isnt, but there are for sure similarities between yellow socialism and classic early italian fascism.
as chapayes said, its an form of corporatism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism

[Sixiang]

I stand corrected.

[synthesis]

Again - and this would have to be clarified by the man himself - I strongly suspect that it is a facetious usage of the phrase in this context:


However, the term was appropriated by Marxists to describe self-described socialists who were seen by Marxists as on the side of the ruling class; all non-Marxists considering themselves socialists ("revisionists"), whether they identified with the label or not. This usage included many whose ideas would later be known as social democracy and democratic socialism, very different concepts to that devised by Biétry.

[Ned Kelly]

It was a movement that essentially developed into fascism, an outdated term, if you were to be a yellow socialist today, you'd essentially be a fascist.

[Crux]

It was a movement that essentially developed into fascism, an outdated term, if you were to be a yellow socialist today, you'd essentially be a fascist.
The CCP are yellow socialists.

[Ned Kelly]

The CCP are yellow socialists.

Elaborate?
I'm no fan at all of the CCP in it's present state, but it's the first time I've heard them described as Yellow Socialism

[Aurorus Ruber]

I think the poster was referring to the fact that Westerners have often called the Chinese "yellow" for their skin tone, as in coinages like "yellow peril".

[ZeroNowhere]

They've actually answered this in OI, and it seems that it wasn't facetious, and is mostly related to yellow unions, it would seem.

[Crux]

Elaborate?
I'm no fan at all of the CCP in it's present state, but it's the first time I've heard them described as Yellow Socialism
Double-entendre to be sure, but the only legal chinese union is certainly a yellow union. And CCP is a yellow party by that defintion, they are a cross-class class-collaborationist group, when they do not act purely as the mouthpiece of the domestic capitalist class and bureaucracy.