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Nothing Human Is Alien
22nd December 2010, 00:47
MIAMI – Nearly one-fourth of the students who try to join the U.S. Army fail its entrance exam, painting a grim picture of an education system that produces graduates who can't answer basic math, science and reading questions, according to a new study released Tuesday.

The report by The Education Trust bolsters a growing worry among military and education leaders that the pool of young people qualified for military service will grow too small.

"Too many of our high school students are not graduating ready to begin college or a career — and many are not eligible to serve in our armed forces," U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan told the AP. "I am deeply troubled by the national security burden created by America's underperforming education system."

The effect of the low eligibility rate might not be noticeable now — the Department of Defense says it is meeting its recruitment goals — but that could change as the economy improves, said retired Navy Rear Admiral Jamie Barnett.

"If you can't get the people that you need, there's a potential for a decline in your readiness," said Barnett, who is part of the group Mission: Readiness, a coalition of retired military leaders working to bring awareness to the high ineligibility rates.

The report by The Education Trust found that 23 percent of recent high school graduates don't get the minimum score needed on the enlistment test to join any branch of the military. Questions are often basic, such as: "If 2 plus x equals 4, what is the value of x?"

The military exam results are also worrisome because the test is given to a limited pool of people: Pentagon data shows that 75 percent of those aged 17 to 24 don't even qualify to take the test because they are physically unfit, have a criminal record or didn't graduate high school.

Educators expressed dismay that so many high school graduates are unable to pass a test of basic skills.

"It's surprising and shocking that we are still having students who are walking across the stage who really don't deserve to be and haven't earned that right," said Tim Callahan with the Professional Association of Georgia Educators, a group that represents more than 80,000 educators.

Kenneth Jackson, 19, of Miami, enlisted in the Army after graduating from high school. He said passing the entrance exam is easy for those who paid attention in school, but blamed the education system for why more recruits aren't able to pass the test.

"The classes need to be tougher because people aren't learning enough," Jackson said.

This is the first time that the U.S. Army has released this test data publicly, said Amy Wilkins of The Education Trust, a Washington, D.C.-based children's advocacy group. The study examined the scores of nearly 350,000 high school graduates, ages 17 to 20, who took the ASVAB exam between 2004 and 2009. About half of the applicants went on to join the Army.

Recruits must score at least a 31 out of 99 on the first stage of the three-hour test to get into the Army. The Marines, Air Force, Navy and Coast Guard recruits need higher scores.

Further tests determine what kind of job the recruit can do with questions on mechanical maintenance, accounting, word comprehension, mathematics and science.

The study shows wide disparities in scores among white and minority students, similar to racial gaps on other standardized tests. Nearly 40 percent of black students and 30 percent of Hispanics don't pass, compared with 16 percent of whites. The average score for blacks is 38 and for Hispanics is 44, compared to whites' average score of 55.

Even those passing muster on the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery, or ASVAB, usually aren't getting scores high enough to snag the best jobs.

"A lot of times, schools have failed to step up and challenge these young people, thinking it didn't really matter — they'll straighten up when they get into the military," said Kati Haycock, president of the Education Trust. "The military doesn't think that way."

Entrance exams for the U.S. military date to World War I. The test has changed over time as computers and technology became more prevalent, and skills like ability to translate Morse code have fallen by the wayside.

The test was overhauled in 2004, and the study only covers scores from 2004 through 2009. The Education Trust didn't request examine earlier data to avoid a comparison between two versions of the test, said Christina Theokas, the author of the study. The Army did not immediately respond to requests for further information.

Tom Loveless, an education expert at the Brookings Institution think tank, said the results echo those on other tests. In 2009, 26 percent of seniors performed below the 'basic' reading level on the National Assessment of Education Progress.

Other tests, like the SAT, look at students who are going to college.

"A lot of people make the charge that in this era of accountability and standardized testing, that we've put too much emphasis on basic skills," Loveless said. "This study really refutes that. We have a lot of kids that graduate from high school who have not mastered basic skills."

The study also found disparities across states, with Wyoming having the lowest ineligibility rate, at 13 percent, and Hawaii having the highest, at 38.3 percent.

Retired military leaders say the report's findings are cause for concern.

"The military is a lot more high-tech than in the past," said retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Norman R. Seip. "I don't care if you're a soldier Marine carrying a backpack or someone sitting in a research laboratory, the things we expect out of our military members requires a very, very well educated force."

A Department of Defense report notes the military must recruit about 15 percent of youth, but only one-third are eligible. More high school graduates are going to college than in earlier decades, and about one-fourth are obese, making them medically ineligible.

In 1980, by comparison, just 5 percent of youth were obese.

IndependentCitizen
22nd December 2010, 01:23
Holy shit, and entrant requirements are incredibly low for the U.S military...

But it's obviously the Teachers' union's fault!

Impulse97
22nd December 2010, 01:35
Our schools need to keep people motivated. I know that's been one of my major issues.:hammersickle::trotski::hammersickle:

Amphictyonis
22nd December 2010, 01:36
I thought it was always the child protege geniuses who joined the military in order to go to some foreign land in order to murder and be murdered for a lie? I'd rather go to jail if I needed room and board that bad. Call me a draft dodger. The ASVAB test is, well, look at the practice tests online.

Burn A Flag
22nd December 2010, 01:39
I took the ASVAB for fun and I got a 97 as my entrance score lol. I just wanted to make fun of people who were actually going into the military (and miss class).

FreeFocus
22nd December 2010, 02:37
I'm all for obese, undereducated soldiers, as are all of the peoples whose necks are being crushed by the boots of the US military.

Sensible Socialist
22nd December 2010, 02:51
Do you have the link? I'd like to send it to a few people.

cb9's_unity
22nd December 2010, 03:40
The U.S education program doesn't intend to educate kids, it aims to turn them into good employees. Its not surprising that kids forget everything once their out of high school. Anybody who's been a student in this country knows that actual learning means nothing and passing the test means everything.

A Revolutionary Tool
22nd December 2010, 04:24
This is not surprising at all as just this morning I had a conversation with my cousins about their lack of knowledge of history. They knew more about the offensive line up to the '72 Raiders than they did about history. I mean they thought the Civil War involved the U.S. and Great Britain! Kids nowadays are not getting educated at all.

Fulanito de Tal
22nd December 2010, 04:34
Many high schoolers in Miami come from Latino or African-American backgrounds. Miami has a special culture with even more specific subcultures that may not be compatible with the ASVAB. I would like to see the descriptive statistics on those that took the test to make a better conclusion.

If this was stated in a popular US media channel, it's been manipulated to distort or our perceptions.

Nothing Human Is Alien
22nd December 2010, 05:48
If you want to find a link to an article you find somewhere you can usually just google the first sentence.

In this case:

http://www.valleynewslive.com/Global/story.asp?S=13720363

or

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/general/view.bg?articleid=1304697&srvc=news&position=recent

or

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2010/12/21/general-us-military-exam_8218037.html?boxes=Homepagebusinessnews

ZeroNowhere
22nd December 2010, 06:08
Good.

theAnarch
22nd December 2010, 08:40
What the hell is math?

piet11111
22nd December 2010, 13:26
Too dumb for being cannon fodder :laugh:
No wonder that some manuals have gems like "when you pull the pin mr. grenade is not your friend"

Rakhmetov
22nd December 2010, 13:54
America the illiterate

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081110_america_the_illiterate/

psgchisolm
22nd December 2010, 14:09
Cb has a very good point. I would know first hand, most of the people in my classes cheat off of each other, and if they aren't then their borderline passing or failing and don't care anymore. Well the ones who haven't gotten emancipated or dropped out.

Jazzratt
22nd December 2010, 14:24
I'm all for obese, undereducated soldiers, as are all of the peoples whose necks are being crushed by the boots of the US military. Let's keep the working classes unhealthy and uneducated!

Reznov
22nd December 2010, 14:34
Many high schoolers in Miami come from Latino or African-American backgrounds. Miami has a special culture with even more specific subcultures that may not be compatible with the ASVAB. I would like to see the descriptive statistics on those that took the test to make a better conclusion.

If this was stated in a popular US media channel, it's been manipulated to distort or our perceptions.

This doesn't change the fact that many high schoolers still aren't able to do basic math, english skills, history etc because of a failure of the education system here in America.

Catma
23rd December 2010, 19:26
I would know first hand, most of the people in my classes cheat off of each other.

Cheating is utterly rampant below college levels. Probably in college too - I dunno, I haven't bothered to do it. It's not just confined to poor schools either.

All the teachers and students know that A) The tests are bullshit, and B) if the students score well, everyone is better off. The teachers look the other way, and the students cheat in ever more effective and creative ways.

Obs
24th December 2010, 00:28
Sure, the U.S. ruling class could enact laws and methods to ensure that everyone is well-educated and intelligent when they leave grade school.

But why would they want to?

Lucretia
24th December 2010, 03:03
Could we drop the stupid meme that this is about the schools failing to do their job? Kids who want to get an education and learn do so. The rest cheat and whine and do everything else in their power to get out of doing work and to get out of learning. The old saying about leading a horse to water but not drinking applies here, to some extent. And in too many cases, the horse who refuses to drink has shitty, self-centered parents who never taught their offspring how to behave with some modicum of discipline and restraint in social situations. Not saying that schools do not share some of the blame, but parents and the kids themselves deserve some of it, too.

black magick hustla
24th December 2010, 06:21
fuck school school was miserable to me and this thread is gross because its full of snotty kids raising their noses at those brainless mudbloods. yall go fuck yourselves and congrats for being able to crunch some numbers and read shakespeare

StalinFanboy
24th December 2010, 06:24
It's lol that the institution of education is entirely for recreating capitalism, yet it's failing to do even that. I think that's a symptom of crisis

MarxSchmarx
24th December 2010, 07:56
They will now even let gays do their dirty job.

What is that supposed to mean?


what gain would the army have by being more selective in who they let in

Well, for one they can keep real nutjobs like that hasan guy or tim mcveigh out

Milk Sheikh
24th December 2010, 08:51
fuck school school was miserable to me and this thread is gross because its full of snotty kids raising their noses at those brainless mudbloods. yall go fuck yourselves and congrats for being able to crunch some numbers and read shakespeare

I never let my schooling interfere with my education.
-Mark Twain

Milk Sheikh
24th December 2010, 08:53
What is that supposed to mean?

It means, even though the imperialists hate gay people, they are smart enough to 'use' them for their own purposes.