First Cyber World War?

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Where do YOU stand on this? Do you think wars of this kind will become more frequent in this century? What consequences might this bring for the neutrality of the internet?

[ComradeMan]

All anyone has to do is switch the power off and it's all over.

[L.A.P.]

I always had this silly thought that as the internet increasingly becomes integrated into our lives then the more power Anonymous gains and the more fearful we will become of them.:scared:

[Sean]

Its not really a world war, or a war at all. They were attacks, by a loosely knitted group of people from across the world in protest. Until I see tanks made of heavy electricity occupying parts of the internet the size of Ireland, I'll avoid using media sensationalist terms like wars in cyber-fucking-space.:laugh:

[Ele'ill]

Its not really a world war, or a war at all. They were attacks, by a loosely knitted group of people from across the world in protest. Until I see tanks made of heavy electricity occupying parts of the internet the size of Ireland, I'll avoid using media sensationalist terms like wars in cyber-fucking-space.:laugh:

I don't agree with you but I think the fun begins when the power grids get taken out.

[Sean]

I don't agree with you but I think the fun begins when the power grids get taken out.
Countries will just create an embargo on the sales of Cheetos and Mountain Dew or sign a joint resolution condemning their parents for not making them get a job.
I'm not knocking the notion of online attacks and hijinks as a valid form of protest, but its not quite how the media want it to be! One thing anon knows about is playing to the crowd and getting the headlines.

[Ele'ill]

Countries will just create an embargo on the sales of Cheetos and Mountain Dew or sign a joint resolution condemning their parents for not making them get a job.
I'm not knocking the notion of online attacks and hijinks as a valid form of protest, but its not quite how the media want it to be! One thing anon knows about is playing to the crowd and getting the headlines.

I didn't realize your comment was specifically about using the internet for demonstration purposes.

Outside of that- actual attacks using the internet have the potential to be devestating.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

All anyone has to do is switch the power off and it's all over.

Problem is, it's in everyone's interests to keep the power on (as well as the internet to only a slightly lesser degree), so I don't think your statement is really relevant. Besides, it's easier said than done.

[Sean]

I didn't realize your comment was specifically about using the internet for demonstration purposes.

Outside of that- actual attacks using the internet have the potential to be devestating.
Proper attacks yes, actual hacks, destruction of information, viruses targeting specific networks and services but simple DDoS against a big, big site is like pissing into the ocean and only lasts as long as the users throw their bandwidth at it.

I think the most important weapon used online is the harnessing of the media though, its very easy to get unsubstantiated rumor and threat taken seriously from the comfort of your sofa as has been seen quite a few times and that can hit stock prices and the like. That's really what will happen in cyberwarfare, not cars crashing in the streets due to hacked traffic lights and citywide blackouts.

I read a book, superfreakanomics (http://freakonomicsbook.com/superfreakonomics/chapter-excerpts/chapter-2/)a while ago and it illustrated the point brilliantly. If you remember back, some dipshit tried to blow up a plane with his shoe. He failed miserably, but the sensationalism about that story that caught on with the media and paved the road for daft as hell airport security laws which, if you count up all the man-hours wasted by travelling workers, salesmen, bankers standing in their socks trying to hold their trousers up, its staggering. I'm absolutely not suggesting that threats of this kind are valid in any shape or form as protest, and if you do crap like that you should spend a long, long time in jail for terrifying innocent workers. Point is, I see media savvy headcases playing scaremonger news like a fiddle doing more damage than most people's idea of what cyberattacks are about.

[Magón]

Could you theoretically blow someone else's computer up, from your own computer? If so, that'd be cool because then you'd have your first virtual bombers. Also, then you'd be knocking out your enemies way of getting back.

[Jazzhands]

All anyone has to do is switch the power off and it's all over.

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[Ele'ill]

Proper attacks yes, actual hacks, destruction of information, viruses targeting specific networks and services but simple DDoS against a big, big site is like pissing into the ocean and only lasts as long as the users throw their bandwidth at it.

I don't disagree with this.


I think the most important weapon used online is the harnessing of the media though, its very easy to get unsubstantiated rumor and threat taken seriously from the comfort of your sofa as has been seen quite a few times and that can hit stock prices and the like. That's really what will happen in cyberwarfare, not cars crashing in the streets due to hacked traffic lights and citywide blackouts.

I think taking out power and such would be more devestating but we're talking about two different tactics.