is the war in Iraq really that bad?

[Chewillneverdie]

yes i understand the bombings were fucked up and the US troops are getting assfucked by the Guerrillas, but isnt it good to have the pigfuckers out of power? maybe the Kurds can sleep just a bit better. i think we should get the troops out of there before more people are killed but i think getting Sadaam and his boys out is a fairly good thing. oh and i still hate Bush for getting us in there and getting so many people killed but for once in my life im trying to be optimistic :) oh and my site needs help if any1 has flyers or an article for any good cause IM me the site is http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=antibushmovement

[canikickit]

Che may never die, but he'll turn in his metaphorical grave when he reads the title of this thread.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

it was an imperialist war, lad.

[commie kg]

Yes, it was an imperialist war, that cost thousands of civilian lives.

That bad? I'd say so.

[elijahcraig]

Wow. Reactionary. Wow.

[Xvall]

is the war in Iraq really that bad?

Yes.

[canikickit]

yes i understand the bombings were fucked up and the US troops are getting assfucked by the Guerrillas, but isnt it good to have the pigfuckers out of power?

It is good to have the pigfuckers out of power.
However, now the people that are in power have been put in place by a country which has a history of putting it's own needs first, and manipulating other countries to that end.

It would have been more sensible to aid an actual Iraqi uprising against Saddam. The years of sanctions and the daily bombing (http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/MiddleEast/Iraq/Bombing.asp) from 1991-2003 weakened the nation and crushed their spirit.


maybe the Kurds can sleep just a bit better.

Hopefully.

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

dont forget that the troops over there have to battle the guerrillas along with the heat and the shortage of water. they do get hot in all that stuff they wear and carring equitment and what makes it worse for them is in parts of iraq water isnt running at a 100% so the solders get the 1st buckets and then give it to the people. that may piss em off to. there should be more of a humanitarian (it think i spelled that wrong) aid and the soilders should get out cause war is bad and it's been bad. the thing is now everyone that was all like "its going to be a quick war" find out that they underestemated the war in the 1st place.

[Chewillneverdie]

yeah i know its a stupid fuckin war but i believe we got something acomplished, everything else is pure shit, but im trying to say we accomplished one thing (yeah bombing was fucking stupid and Bush is a redneck asshole who pisses me off just talking about him) and dont get me wrong i hate the fact US is over there, were just CREATING terrorist by bombing them. but im trying to see the good side here, fuck bush and fuck the people who want them over there "if my son will die i know he's dying for a good cause" fuck u and fuck ur mother, i feel sorry for those troops cause my family has been in the army so many times because they had to cause the fucks running the gov. kept immigrants and their families poor. I hate seeing troops die for no fuckin reason and thats whats happening, the only good thing that has came out of this war is Bush WILL NOT be elected again, oh and we got the pigfuckers out. sorry but thinking bout the people dying both troops and civilians gets me worked up, but i meant by the title did one good thing come from this? hehe sorry bout that

[elijahcraig]

yeah i know its a stupid fuckin war but i believe we got something acomplished, everything else is pure shit, but im trying to say we accomplished one thing

What? Establishing a NEW RULING CLASS based on Imperialism? We've seen this before: pushing one set of dictators out, and installing a new set.


(yeah bombing was fucking stupid and Bush is a redneck asshole who pisses me off just talking about him) and dont get me wrong i hate the fact US is over there, were just CREATING terrorist by bombing them.

This is marginal in the view of terrorism in the long run. We have been slaughering these people for years and years. We threw Mossadegh out, look what occured? This is a product of the 1953 coup of that man. The US is far past ever redeeming itself. Capitalism has extended its arm into the world in the form of Imperialism, there is no going back. Death will come to this country because of that.


but im trying to see the good side here, fuck bush and fuck the people who want them over there "if my son will die i know he's dying for a good cause" fuck u and fuck ur mother, i feel sorry for those troops cause my family has been in the army so many times because they had to cause the fucks running the gov. kept immigrants and their families poor.

Two friends of mine, my past girlfriend, and two cousins are all in the military, and all in Iraq. Do I still support the Iraqi resistance? Fuck yes.


I hate seeing troops die for no fuckin reason and thats whats happening, the only good thing that has came out of this war is Bush WILL NOT be elected again, oh and we got the pigfuckers out.

It's debatable whether or not we actually want Bush out. Revolution is pushed further up on the menu as oppression becomes worsened. He is definetely done that.


sorry but thinking bout the people dying both troops and civilians gets me worked up, but i meant by the title did one good thing come from this? hehe sorry bout that

No. Nothing good came. Thinking so is reactionary thought.

[SonofRage]

That's not a good question at all. War is always bad, even when it is necessary.

[Chewillneverdie]

but war is the only answer in some cases and i believe it is necessary to attain certain goals, very important goals, so ur telling me u support Sadaam? kill his ass, let the people set up their own government but just help out, and Bush could fuck with N. Korea sometime this year (doubt it but its a maybe) and America is in hot ass, he needs out.

[elijahcraig]

If you said those words to Che Guevara he'd shoot you in the face, you disgust me and any other true communist.

[Jesus Christ]

its great that Saddam is out of power and the people are no longer under the rule of a dictator
but thats where the US fucks up, it doesnt know when to stop

[Marxist in Nebraska]

It is good that Saddam is out of power in Iraq. I do not think that point will be argued on this site.

The U.S. played a role in Saddam's menacing of his neighbors and the Kurds in the first place. He was given components for WMDs by the U.S. government with the expectation he would use them against Iran. When he consolidated his power by using them against dissidents in his own country, the U.S. turned a blind eye. Apparently, a useful bastard is worth more than the lives of human beings.

Considering U.S. history, one should never trust the pro-humanitarian propaganda our government puts out to cover its true motives. To remove Hussein, the U.S. bombed the hell out of the country. They killed thousands of Iraqis, maimed countless others, and damaged infrastructure. This was done to put a U.S. military occupation in power, which in a best case scenario, will turn power over to a U.S. pawn who will give the wealth of Iraq to U.S. corporations. While letting most Iraqis live in considerable poverty, the new despot may not resort to gassing them with chemical weapons. Again, this is the BEST case scenario.

When one understands this, one quickly realizes that the war was not a "necessary evil." The U.S. government may well turn the reigns over to someone who will make Saddam Hussein look like a teddy bear. The only interests the U.S. has priority to protect are the oil fields that now belong to Halliburton and Bechtel.

[Xvall]

I doubt Che Guevara would shoot him in the face. If that were so, Che Guevara would have wanted 99% of the American population 'liquidated', and I don't think he was too fond of genocide.

[Danton]

And since when elijahcraig, did you become Che's earthly mouthpiece?
For me the ends justify the means, that is of course if the ends are what has been promised... Is it naive of me to even hope they will?