Columbine shooters "fervent anti-racists"

[Dark Capitalist]

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"Interestingly enough, it's also the message that played a major role in the Columbine massacre in Littleton, Colorado, in April 1999. The two teenaged murderers at Columbine High School, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, were fervent anti-racists and fantasized on their Internet Web site about torturing and murdering White racists. Where do you think they picked up those sick and poisonous ideas? Who put the idea into their heads that we live in a "racist" society and that racists ought to be killed?"

"If you remember, the spin put on the Columbine massacre by the Jewish media bosses right after the killings is that Harris and Klebold were neo-Nazis and racists -- even though one of them, Klebold, was a Jew. It wasn't until later, when investigators began looking into the private lives and the Internet postings of the two killers that it came out that they were not racists but rather were fanatical anti-racists. But that fact never received much publicity, even though several pungent excerpts from their Web site were reported in the New York Times. The average American couch potato still believes the killers were White racists who deliberately targeted Blacks in their massacre, because that was the lie that was propagated by the media immediately after the massacre and was never withdrawn."

(Credit goes to FadeTheButcher for originally posting this on thePhora)

[commie kg]

What are you saying? It sounds like typical Nazi drivel you would find on ***************.

It even has references to the "Jewish conspiracy" and everything. :rolleyes:

[Urban Rubble]

Thats what I was about to say.

I mean, who really cares if they were Nazis or not ? If this guy says they were Anti Racist, I'll believe him, but who the fuck cares ?

Even though most of the stuff in the article was true, this guys blatant racism made it hard to take seriously.

[CubanFox]

Anything that talks seriously about a Jewish/black/otherwise nonwhite Conspiracy shouldn't be taken seriously. Either that or with a truckload of salt.

And who cares that they are antiracist? Antiracism is a good thing!

[sledovatel]

DC - you may bring up some good points, but i would have to warn you about the link in your post. it sends us to a lecture by a dr. william pierce. if it is the same william pierce that i am thinking of, he has quite a bit of bias in his lectures. is it the same william pierce who wrote the turner diaries? if not, just ignore this and i am wrong, but if so, he was an avid supporter of white supremacy, and i doubt that quoting him on this forum would help you in any claim you make.

cuban fox - you forgot to mention that anyone suggesting white conspiracy should not be taken seriously either.

-s

[CubanFox]

Any kind of theory about a 'racial conspiracy' = bullshit. I hope that clarifies my thoughts on the subject.

[Xvall]

Crazy old fade. Well, I wouldn't particularly trust him, seeing as he's a racist anti-semite and all.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Accoring to "white nationalists", everyone who doesnt follow them is a jew. That means that muslims, buddhists and liberal and leftist non christinas are jews, which is very stupid.

I wont trust them in anything they say.

[commie kg]

DC, does this represent an ideological change for you? Are you becoming a fascist? :P

[Michael De Panama]

I see nothing "sick" or "poinonous" in the idea of torturing and murdering white racists, regardless of what this whiny little ***** thinks.

[CubanFox]

I see nothing wrong with clipping racists of all creeds and colours.

[Dark Capitalist]

The left often associates gun rights and second amendment groups with racialist groups. (Michael Moore suddenly comes to mind)

[sledovatel]

gun rights are essential to a free people. michael moore and his like are severely mislead (and misleading). people like him and the gun control crowd use tragedies such as the columbine murders in order to shock the public into obeying ridiculous gun rules. one should always be careful when debating with them, as their data is usually false.

as for killing racists, that is just stupid. they have the same right that you and i have to believe how they want to. i certainly don't agree with what they say, but of course i don't agree with a lot of what is said. that still doesn't mean that they don't have that right. if we were to "stomp out" the racists, we'd be no better than the nazis or other oligarchies. killing people who disagree with us? yeah, that's real freedom for ya...
-s

[Inti]

Hola Sledovatel,

if that is right what you are saying that gun rights are essential to free people then almost none of the worlds countries are free, that what you are saying?

[Xvall]

as for killing racists, that is just stupid. they have the same right that you and i have to believe how they want to.

No. By the United State's standards, most racist groups should be convicted of treason and hanged on charges of terrorism. Groups like Al Quieda follow a fundamentalist ideology and preach the entire elimination of certain groups of people. (Americans, Jews, etc.) Groups like the Christian Identity also do the same thing. Preaching the elimination of certain groups of people (Minorities, Jews, etc.), they are no diffirent. I know for a fact that any Al Quieda follower found in this country would be tried and killed. If this is so, then the same actions must be taken against groups like the Christian Identity, and the American Nazi Party who have also commited 'terrorist' acts in the past. To this day, they still do. With them, it's one of those things. We don't particularly have some sort of priority to kill every single racist in the world, but we most certainly wouldn't have a problem if they did happen to die. We are certain they feel the same about us, so there isn't really much incentive for us to be compassionate, is there?

[Xvall]

And if everyone is so pro-gun, why don't you implement that sort of 'democracy' in Iraq. After all, if you 'liberate' it, shouldn't you grant them the same rights? In fact, gun control is one of the top priorities in 'New Iraq' and carrying so much as a knife can get you in big trouble.

[Saint-Just]

If there were racists you would have thought they would have killed black students in the shooting. If they were 'fanatical anti-racists' you would have thought they would have gone after racists and bigots in the shootings. As far as I am aware they shot random people.

[Xvall]

I think the kids just had some sort of pshychological collapse. I doubt that their political or social beliefs were their motives for shooting.

[sledovatel]

inti - if a people are not free to defend their own liberties, they must depend upon the state to defend them. this is dependency, and a dependent people is not a free people.

drake - there is a difference between people who have racist views and people who act in militant racism. of course people who act on violent racist views should be punished, just as terrorists should. but as for people who merely see themselves as better than everyone else, they have the right to live in their little dream world, however diluted their views may be.

as for iraq and it's disarming... i don't agree with it. i think that it is a terrible idea if we want iraq to be free. but once again we have to pander to the united nations, who want to disarm the entire world. our politics have become too inter-twined with them.

[Inti]

With all these guns running around, a lot of innocent people gets killed over nothing.. I think that using firearms are kind of a sissy thing. Prefer face to face, they taller they are the harder they fall... If you are from the US, do you feel really independent just by having a gun? I prefer to have guts than to be a sissy running around with a gun yelling "I have a gun therefore Im independent"... You are dependent of many things, like electricity, food, medicines, water and oxygen.. Tell me when you are really becoming independent...

[dancingoutlaw]

Dark Capitalist. As a word of advice.... you should filter any posts that contain the words "Jewish Media Bosses" it doesn't help your argument. If the media didn't report on the "Black Isrealites" it is because they are already a fringe group who are laughed at as much as the Klan or Neo-Nazies. If you ever come to NYC you can see them on Times Square dressed in what looks like upholstery spouting such nonsense that you would think that it is street comedy. I have watched them on many occasions, have even been pointed out as the "so-called white man blue eyed devil" it is actually kind of fun. As far as the coverage of Columbine. I think that the media latched on to it because of the planned mayhem that was caused by the two boys who were of white, middle class background in the heart of the U.S.A . The national media doesn't cover shootings or rapes in inner city schools sadly because it is seen as expected. That is unfortunate.

[sliverchrist]

The fact that the boys were drawn as racist was probably only an excuse to make what they did easier for most people to swallow. Attributing that it was played down by media bosses jewish or otherwise, doesn't rreally matter. That is the nature of the media. See somethin and spin it around to look your way.

[Xvall]

there is a difference between people who have racist views and people who act in militant racism.

Yes.


of course people who act on violent racist views should be punished, just as terrorists should. but as for people who merely see themselves as better than everyone else, they have the right to live in their little dream world, however diluted their views may be.

The Christian Identity has acted with violent racism. Members of Al Quieda committed terrorist attacks, and were 'dispatched' because of this. Timothy McVeigh was a member of the Christian Identity, and he bombed a building in Oklahoma City. I do not see why it is fair to dispatch one group, and allow the other to completely be let off. Racialists groups with a record of committing crimes should be treated in the same way as terrorists. Despite what you or others may wish to believe, I can think of few racialist groups that do not have habits of committing violent hate-crimes and killing or harming other citizens. If 'Ali-Makshir' gets the firing squad for this crap, so should Derek Vinyard. The Klan has killed many people in the past, and their organization is left alone. The 'National Alliance' has a similar, record. The group as a whole is responsible, and all members of that group share the same responsibility. Notice that during the Afghanistan War, the United States forces did not bother to take a consensus of which members were 'radically militant' or simply 'idealistic'. It would be hypocritical for them to only do this to one group. By U.S standards, all members of the Klan should have been hunted down and charged with treason.

[Unrelenting Steve]

I have often thought about killing certan people in my class- I sure can sympathize with people who just loose hope- because it seems thats all your left with after you engauge with bastards and grotesque poeple, they can be so ignorant arrogant which I am queit often but what gets you is their inablity to engauge, to conciously live in denial, to ignore reason and to live their pathetic meaningless commercial-consumer-culture substanceless little lives. It makes you wanna........ fuck I hate certain poeple. But I keep to;only sniper people you know, neva shoot randomly- the latter would be unjustifiable, however thru probablility you would proabably still be safe.

[Unrelenting Steve]

Come to think about it that has nothing to do woth nehting- sorry i needed to blow off some steam.

[honest intellectual]

The logic of that post is basically - 'The Columbine shooters were anti-racists. We don't like the Columbine shooters. Therefore we don't like anti-racism'

[dopediana]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2003, 09:13 AM
as for killing racists, that is just stupid. they have the same right that you and i have to believe how they want to. i certainly don't agree with what they say, but of course i don't agree with a lot of what is said. that still doesn't mean that they don't have that right. if we were to "stomp out" the racists, we'd be no better than the nazis or other oligarchies. killing people who disagree with us? yeah, that's real freedom for ya...
-s
we have to maintain principles here and one principle is that everyone has a right to exist that is not based on skin color. while one of the other many rights we have is the right to speak our mind, any person who tries do degrade and bring down others on some cock and bull preconceived dogmatic notion of theirs is not worthy of the rights of speech they've been previously granted. say i'm talking like a kindergarten teacher, but i think those people need to be put in time out till they realize that they are indeed wrong. no whining. no self justification. just coming to terms with a code of rules that demands that you don't needlessly and negatively interfere with someone's life and emotions on something as trivial as skin color.

[El Brujo]

There are many versions on what they were exactly. The killings were done on Hitler's birthday, for instance, that is why people were led to believe they were neo-nazis. If you ask me, they were just insecure, attention-hungry kids that went trigger happy.

BTW: They were NOT goths. They were the stereotypical mainstream definition of a "goth" (pale, skinny people who wear all black and warship Marilyn Manson as a God). Please do some research (http://www.leepresson.com/goths.htm) before assuming stupid shit.

[Severian]

Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 24 2003, 02:37 PM
If there were racists you would have thought they would have killed black students in the shooting. If they were 'fanatical anti-racists' you would have thought they would have gone after racists and bigots in the shootings. As far as I am aware they shot random people.
At least one of the students they shot was Black, and y'know, this was a pretty white suburban school.

[Xvall]

The logic of that post is basically - 'The Columbine shooters were anti-racists. We don't like the Columbine shooters. Therefore we don't like anti-racism'

I agree. With this logic, they should also hate humans. After all, the shooters were human.

It is a well known fact that there is a cure for racism.

[Solzhenitsyn]

The logic of that post is basically - 'The Columbine shooters were anti-racists. We don't like the Columbine shooters. Therefore we don't like anti-racism'

That's not correct. The gist of FadeTheButcher's argument was that the media bosses (whether Jewish or not) took an Columbine and potrayed the murderers as neo-nazi racists infatuated with Hitler in an effort to link racism with killing sprees when in fact the opposite was true. The perpetrators were anti-racists of the most fanatical sort and one of them was a Jew (Klebold). Neither fact was widely reported. The author wants to put the motives of the media conglomerates in question.

For my own purposes, it throws a monkey wrench into the far-left's most cherished myths.

1) Racism and the right are synonymous
2) The media is operated for the exlusive benefit of reactionary politics

Obviously, (1) and (2) cannot both be true at the same time.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Dark [email protected] 23 2003, 07:38 PM
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"Interestingly enough, it's also the message that played a major role in the Columbine massacre in Littleton, Colorado, in April 1999. The two teenaged murderers at Columbine High School, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, were fervent anti-racists and fantasized on their Internet Web site about torturing and murdering White racists. Where do you think they picked up those sick and poisonous ideas? Who put the idea into their heads that we live in a "racist" society and that racists ought to be killed?"

"If you remember, the spin put on the Columbine massacre by the Jewish media bosses right after the killings is that Harris and Klebold were neo-Nazis and racists -- even though one of them, Klebold, was a Jew. It wasn't until later, when investigators began looking into the private lives and the Internet postings of the two killers that it came out that they were not racists but rather were fanatical anti-racists. But that fact never received much publicity, even though several pungent excerpts from their Web site were reported in the New York Times. The average American couch potato still believes the killers were White racists who deliberately targeted Blacks in their massacre, because that was the lie that was propagated by the media immediately after the massacre and was never withdrawn."

(Credit goes to FadeTheButcher for originally posting this on thePhora)
Well I can see that they get their inspiration on the net. Even here on the forums I read a thread about destroying nazis with every reason possible. So It isn't hard to believe the story. But then again anti-racists are the dummbest people I know :rolleyes: