Is Micheal Moore Socialist?

[EvilRedGuy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neyMdjrbM18&feature=fvw After watching some of these videos i get the feeling he is.

[Adil3tr]

Kind of, I think he just wants to appeal to the same instinct as socialism for the purpose of no bs progressive politics. I think he had a lot more potential to pull people who are now rednecks over to the left back in the 80s

[Amphictyonis]

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No

[HammerAlias]

It's plausible. But I believe he is a social democrat, rather than a socialist.

[John "Eh" MacDonald]

I don't know muchh about Moore. But I read somewhere once he's just a liberal.

[Hoipolloi Cassidy]

Anyone whose movies has the Internationale (Vegas-style, yet!) playing over the closing credits deserves some respect. I think his attitude is, "Call me what you want, just fine by me." If only more "socialists" had that attitude...:cool:

[Dimentio]

Have seen that video. Sadly, he is right.

A proportional election system will need to be instituted, or at least establish several regional parties which could create counter-balances.

[Amphictyonis]

Have seen that video. Sadly, he is right.

A proportional election system will need to be instituted, or at least establish several regional parties which could create counter-balances.

He's just defending this

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He's a reformist at best. In the Fabian progressive tradition.

[Paulappaul]

He's just defending thisIs chomsky a "reformist" then? I am not 100% sure but Zinn came out defending Obama's victory too.


In the Fabian progressive tradition. No Fabians are much more critical of Capitalism than Social Democrats. They actually have a plan for entire take over of Government Capital by a means of State Run industries (which they to actually compete with Capital) and Communes. Moore is a Social Democrat with some real Socialist sympathies.

[Lobotomy]

Have you ever seen Capitalism: A Love Story? It's actually pretty good until you get to the part where he introduces the Obama election as if it were some kind of history-changing event. No, I don't think he's a socialist, but he probably is a bit farther to the left than most liberals.

[Adil3tr]

But he also says they bought Obama

[L.A.P.]

Borderline

[syndicat]

he has a working class loyalty. in "Capitalism: A Love Story" he argues that capitalism is evil. but he can't seem to get beyond a social democratic agenda of government regulation and building cooperatives within the present framework. this may be his judgement that this is as far left as it is feasible to be in the USA and have people pay attention to you. it seems to be somewhat further left than much of European socialdemocracy these days. so i'd say he's a social democrat in terms of his practical politics.

[The Idler]

Does he want to change the mode of production? No.

[Paulappaul]

Have you ever seen Capitalism: A Love Story? It's actually pretty good until you get to the part where he introduces the Obama election as if it were some kind of history-changing event. No, I don't think he's a socialist, but he probably is a bit farther to the left than most liberals.

Like I said, alot of Socialists were expecting Obama to be a turn for the better, even anarchists like Chomsky. Plus you know an African American Liberal being elected as president is a pretty history changing event. I don't really blame any Socialist for having sympathies, especially if you in the boat of Reformism like Moore.

[Wanted Man]

He basically seems like a consistent, old-fashioned American left-liberal. Of course, that style of thinking is already so demonised in America today that he is a "socialist" now. Due to their fault entirely, American liberalism is constantly forced on the defensive.

[RadioRaheem84]

Two words: Soc Dem

[RadioRaheem84]

You are always going to get these wishy washy answers from leftists in the spotlight.

Michael Moore shunned calling himself a socialist on Democracy Now, but openly embraced it in a small AFI lecture.

Noam Chomsky does a total "WTF are you on" ! type of waffling when he is talking to popular mixed crowds and the press.

Michael Parenti will say he is an ardent Marxist and then praise Social Democracy of the Scandinavian variety.

Howard Zinn does the same.

They all do it. It's because they know there is so much anti-leftist junk out there that people will not understand or stop listening once you say you're a socialist, communist or anarchist.

People in the States like the word "progressive" as a catch all phrase.

I wouldn't be surprised if many Hollywood liberals are actually hard core leftists but act liberal democrat in front of the cameras.

[Sean]

Sorry but he might get into the fake liberal/republican shitflinging that sells bums-on-seats but I think its pretty obvious that he actually gives a fuck about the working class. That's not to say his ego has distorted reality for him and he thinks he's the second coming.

I think he sees lots of things wrong with the american system and wants ground up socialist improvement, but he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would advocate the destruction of nationalism, even behind the popular high-wire he has to tread to get his movies into theatres.

[KurtFF8]

Yes he's pretty clearly a socialist. He is not a Marxist or Anarchist though it seems but he does believe in worker ownership over the means of production (he even overtly said this about what the solution to the "Detroit Problem" would be).

He does have quite a bit of reformist solutions in his propaganda however.

[Paulappaul]

Does he want to change the mode of production? No.

Have you watched OP's video or Capitalism a love story? He says he is a Socialist and for the people running things.

[The Idler]

So worker co-ops = socialist? :laugh:

[Kiev Communard]

From what I gathered, he is at best market socialist, most likely Left-Keynesian, nothing more.

[Paulappaul]

So worker co-ops = socialist? :laugh:

No Workers' Control = Socialism and that is what he argues for in his speech and in Movie. If you want to show a practical example of what Socialism may look like here is a nice on for you Einstein, show them Workers Cooperatives.

[RATM-Eubie]

I believe he is a democratic socialist. I believe he tries to get that out in his movies but i believe he will not come out and say it himself. I think he has the mentality just call me whatever you want to call me i could care less im just gonnna speak my mind. And through all this i believe i would label him a democratic socialist.

[KurtFF8]

Well he doesn't constantly quote Marx (well a little bit), Engels, Lenin, Hoxha, Stalin, Trotsky, Bakunin, Proudhon, Chomsky, etc. so he must be a liberal/reactionary that we need to oppose!

[Revolution starts with U]

:laugh:^ what he said