people who cry about skool grades are jerkoffs

[black magick hustla]

ppl were crying after my electricity and magnetism test cuz it was terrible but i aint gonna cry

discuss about how silly are people who cry about not getting A

[Jalapeno Enema]

pretty silly.

I'd be disappointed if I really felt I did my best, but crying's excessive.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Crying? Fuck that shit. Better to spend your energies on getting a better grade next time.

[ed miliband]

My dad knew a guy who killed himself over a bad grade. Drove himself the the end of Inch strand (very long spit of sand on the west coast of Ireland) and slit his wrists. :(

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[Tifosi]

My dad knew a guy who killed himself over a bad grade. Drove himself the the end of Inch strand (very long spit of sand on the west coast of Ireland) and slit his wrists. :(

A kid in my dads school killed himself during a test. Held is pen upwards on his table, lifted his head up and then smashed his head full force into his the pen.

[John "Eh" MacDonald]

I'm so use to bad grades I don't even care. I still don't mind seeing my marks in the high 80's though.

[F9]

i was always had fun with people doing that in school, it was pretty funny really cause we were getting grades like 1-10 and we were shitting around and kidding each other and then you would see some people get 15-18 and crying.Such moments were priceless, and didnt happened rarely.I can only thank them for feeding us having more fun:thumbup:

Having that in mind though, now in uni i am putting myself in getting that A, and scored well in most tests, i didnt in some but that only made me get over it and try harder for the final exam to cover it up..A bit of disappointment is natural but i could never understand the crying and putting grades in such a great "place".Problem is not just students though, parents and schools push them to be great, but we are not all great and certainly not in every subject.

[TC]

Bourgeois culture (the mainline conservative culture, not 'celebrity' culture) demands psudo-masculine stoicism and ridicules expressions of genuine human emotion as feminine or childish.

Why should we buy into those paradigms?

Why not ask instead why grades are so important to people that they bring them to tears.

Might it be that they've been driven through a system their whole lives that they now have their central identity and self worth wrapped up in performance? That failure brings a resulting sense of shame. Or that they have legitimate fear of unemployment in this economy where new graduates struggle to find jobs and only the most traditionally successful secure places.

Or something else.

But show some empathy. Its easy to be dismissive and cruel of others experiences, but its not very "comradely" is it.

[black magick hustla]

Bourgeois culture (the mainline conservative culture, not 'celebrity' culture) demands psudo-masculine stoicism and ridicules expressions of genuine human emotion as feminine or childish.

Why should we buy into those paradigms?

Why not ask instead why grades are so important to people that they bring them to tears.

Might it be that they've been driven through a system their whole lives that they now have their central identity and self worth wrapped up in performance? That failure brings a resulting sense of shame. Or that they have legitimate fear of unemployment in this economy where new graduates struggle to find jobs and only the most traditionally successful secure places.

Or something else.

But show some empathy. Its easy to be dismissive and cruel of others experiences, but its not very "comradely" is it.

i think my point was not so much "stoicism" but that people get wrapped too much about what some dude with a phd says about em. i guess you are right and i shouldnt laugh about it. i guess i always been a bit resentful about that mentality though, because a lot of em have really high grades and if they are too wrapped up about that shit i assume they look down at some of us more fiesty folk. grades are important though. i am applying for my phd this year.

[Aeval]

I dunno, I feel for sorry people who try really hard and end up getting a B rather than an A and nearly have a mental break down because they think their parents are gonna disown them. It's not really their fault if they have psychotic parents after all. But I hate the people who do no work what so ever, leave all their essays to the last minute and then start getting hysterical and crying because they can't cope and their lecturers won't give them extensions and they're probably gonna fail.

If you've put no effort into it and you fail it's your own fault and there's no point crying, just try learning something next time. And if you put no effort into it and you get a good grade then you are awesome and people should try to be more like you :lol:

[Joe Payne]

I find schooling to be highly oppressive, enforcing top-down boss-worker dynamics between students and teachers (not that teachers aren't workers themselves of course, but the dynamic between them and the students still necessarily reinforces a master-subordinate role). Grades merely reinforce concepts of competition, eugenic-based status, and a whole list of other wholly anti-working class and non-liberatory concepts.

The kids that cry are the worst victims of this intense oppression in the Academy. They're most oppressed, most lost, most unable to break out of that system and fight against it. I knew kids who were beaten or severely punished if they didn't get top grades. One girl I knew was sent away to an all girls boarding school because she got a B, and her parents assumed it was because of all the poor kids she was in class with, we held her back. (which is tragic, cause they were also dirt poor, she got a full scholarship). But there are real, fucked, reasons for kids going bonkers over not accomplishing grades.

Frankly what the fuck is with Left teachers failing working class students? Or even giving a shit about grades? The classes I learn the most in are the classes that grade most leniently because I don't have to worry about focusing only on particular test items and ignoring everything else that's important to actually learn. I can barely remember anything from any of my math or science classes (harsh grading) but my physics class I learned a whole lot, and I had fun, because grading was not an issue, we all focused on learning.

I've come across plenty of lefty professors who grade harshly, fail students who can't get to class on time (cause they have to work) and etc. So seriously, fuck them, all they do is make the lives of workers more difficult by reinforcing the social conditions of Capital.

So next time you see a kid crying cause he's failing a class, slash his professor's tires, as that professor obviously has no sense of working-class solidarity and deserves it.

[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

i think my point was not so much "stoicism" but that people get wrapped too much about what some dude with a phd says about em. i guess you are right and i shouldnt laugh about it. i guess i always been a bit resentful about that mentality though, because a lot of em have really high grades and if they are too wrapped up about that shit i assume they look down at some of us more fiesty folk. grades are important though. i am applying for my phd this year.

Well you seem to look down on them?

I mean, I get where you are coming from. It is annoying that education seems like a system of trials to find who is the most willing to be the most boring, and crown them with As, but idk, I think it pays off, getting As and all, and you can't really blame people for wanting them.

[The Douche]

I find schooling to be highly oppressive, enforcing top-down boss-worker dynamics between students and teachers (not that teachers aren't workers themselves of course, but the dynamic between them and the students still necessarily reinforces a master-subordinate role). Grades merely reinforce concepts of competition, eugenic-based status, and a whole list of other wholly anti-working class and non-liberatory concepts.

The kids that cry are the worst victims of this intense oppression in the Academy. They're most oppressed, most lost, most unable to break out of that system and fight against it. I knew kids who were beaten or severely punished if they didn't get top grades. One girl I knew was sent away to an all girls boarding school because she got a B, and her parents assumed it was because of all the poor kids she was in class with, we held her back. (which is tragic, cause they were also dirt poor, she got a full scholarship). But there are real, fucked, reasons for kids going bonkers over not accomplishing grades.

Frankly what the fuck is with Left teachers failing working class students? Or even giving a shit about grades? The classes I learn the most in are the classes that grade most leniently because I don't have to worry about focusing only on particular test items and ignoring everything else that's important to actually learn. I can barely remember anything from any of my math or science classes (harsh grading) but my physics class I learned a whole lot, and I had fun, because grading was not an issue, we all focused on learning.

I've come across plenty of lefty professors who grade harshly, fail students who can't get to class on time (cause they have to work) and etc. So seriously, fuck them, all they do is make the lives of workers more difficult by reinforcing the social conditions of Capital.

So next time you see a kid crying cause he's failing a class, slash his professor's tires, as that professor obviously has no sense of working-class solidarity and deserves it.


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[Quail]

I get ridiculously stressed about exams and whatever, but it tends to translate to really bad anxiety as opposed to crying. I would be upset if I'd tried really hard and failed, but I don't really try that hard anymore so I'm not that disappointed with my grades anymore.

[Magón]

I know a guy who got pissed because our professor gave him a A-. I got a B, and wasn't pissed, but he was completely apeshit over it. He kept on trying to contact our professor to plead in getting a better grade.

[Quail]

The reason I get pissed off is that I'm a massive perfectionist. I got annoyed at myself for getting B in chemistry at A level, even though I got As in maths, further maths, biology and french (and general studies, but that doesn't count haha).

[ed miliband]

I hate Bs. I'd rather either do really well or really badly.

[gorillafuck]

I'm alright with anything B and up, if it's a math topic I like anything B- up.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I kinda like B's. That's mostly what I've gotten during my career in higher education.

[kitsune]

Why not ask instead why grades are so important to people that they bring them to tears.

Might it be that they've been driven through a system their whole lives that they now have their central identity and self worth wrapped up in performance? That failure brings a resulting sense of shame. Or that they have legitimate fear of unemployment in this economy where new graduates struggle to find jobs and only the most traditionally successful secure places.

Yes. I know it's not the same everywhere, but in some places the pressure to get good grades (so you can get into a good school, so you can get a good job) is horrendous. Not just from parents, but from the entire society. That kind of stress can be hard to bear, and some people snap.

I've gotten overanxious before a test on a few occasions, but as soon as the test starts, I'm fine. At that point there's nothing more to worry about. You're either prepared or you're not. I just do the best I can. I tend to be a lot more prepared than I think, anyway.

[Tablo]

I got three Bs this semester. :/

[Red Commissar]

In Uni most of our science courses overlap with the course load that alot of pre-meds take. Consequently most of them obsess about their grades because they want to look as good as they can when they apply for med school.

My professor in physics, though I wasn't the best student, did work well with me because she knew I wanted to learn physics and know why things work the way they do. Alot of the pre-med students tend to obsess over equations and memorization- they don't take anything meaningful out of the course.

I get an 85, I'm happy. They get even a 90 and they are disappointed and start freaking out and going out of control. Can't say I've seen one cry though.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I usually get decent grades,seeing as how I tend to put my best leg forward when it comes to schooling.

However...

I see the entire educational system as a completely fucked up bureaucracy.Grades are another part of this dictatorship.I've gotten plenty of good grades as well as plenty of bad grades during my time in the educational hellhole.That's besides the point,however,grades are,by themselves,a ridiculous concept which only serves to divide students.I lately have believed that more emphasis should be focused on learning the material than actually achieving a "good" grade.

[Lyev]

I agree with the OP, people should just relax a bit. A friend of mine ran out of time in his history exam for GCSE so ended up having to bullet-point a substantial part of his answer. After the exam he ran off to the toilets to cry and in the end he got a B anyway.

[Jalapeno Enema]

I usually get decent grades,seeing as how I tend to put my best leg forward when it comes to schooling.

However...

I see the entire educational system as a completely fucked up bureaucracy.Grades are another part of this dictatorship.I've gotten plenty of good grades as well as plenty of bad grades during my time in the educational hellhole.That's besides the point,however,grades are,by themselves,a ridiculous concept which only serves to divide students.I lately have believed that more emphasis should be focused on learning the material than actually achieving a "good" grade.How would you intend to gauge how well each individual student learned the material without some sort of grade scale?

[MarxSchmarx]

I usually get decent grades,seeing as how I tend to put my best leg forward when it comes to schooling.

However...

I see the entire educational system as a completely fucked up bureaucracy.Grades are another part of this dictatorship.I've gotten plenty of good grades as well as plenty of bad grades during my time in the educational hellhole.That's besides the point,however,grades are,by themselves,a ridiculous concept which only serves to divide students.I lately have believed that more emphasis should be focused on learning the material than actually achieving a "good" grade. How would you intend to gauge how well each individual student learned the material without some sort of grade scale?

You could ask them a few questions about the subject matter at hand.

[Jalapeno Enema]

You could ask them a few questions about the subject matter at hand.And then, if they were correct (or showed critical thinking skills as required by the criteria), they would "pass" or "fail".

That is a grade.

[black magick hustla]

How would you intend to gauge how well each individual student learned the material without some sort of grade scale?

the whole point is that education should not be an institution, i.e. a building were you go to learn. today uni is a way the bosses filter their cadre by using "grades".

[Aloysius]

I'd be thrilled to have a B- in my math class...I'm brilliant in my English, Geography, Biology and Latin class, if only because I happen to think those classes are fun. My Latin teacher is hilarious, my English teacher has a passion for the language, my Geography teacher is dumb as a bag of rocks, and Biology is easy becasue I happened to have squeezed a whole year of Biology into a semester of 8th grade science.

[Impulse97]

Heh, I'd be fine with B-'s. It'd be better than the C's, and D's that have been the staple of my High School career. I don't worry about it too much, I'm going to the local Community College for my Associate's and then hopefully a transfer to a city 4 year school.

Watched a girl go into hysterics because our group had to turn in a Foods project with a few details missing... Then again, she did color code everything...and I mean everything, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.:hammersickle::trotski::hammersickle:

[MarxSchmarx]

You could ask them a few questions about the subject matter at hand. And then, if they were correct (or showed critical thinking skills as required by the criteria), they would "pass" or "fail".

That is a grade.

No, a grade is an assessment of how well you do relative to anyone else you are evaluating. It doesn't matter how fast you run - it only really matters whether you outrun the other runner. if things like medical school or law school admisions committees really were interested in how much students learned, to continue the analogy, they'd onlybe interested in what their time in running a 500 m, not whether you beat other runners.

[Jalapeno Enema]

No, a grade is an assessment of how well you do relative to anyone else you are evaluating. It doesn't matter how fast you run - it only really matters whether you outrun the other runner. if things like medical school or law school admisions committees really were interested in how much students learned, to continue the analogy, they'd onlybe interested in what their time in running a 500 m, not whether you beat other runners.? :confused: Are you talking about grading on a curve? If so, I agree that's bull crap. If you mean grades in general, it's not practical to not have grades.


grade (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/grades?show=1&t=1292905103) noun \ˈgrād\
Definition of GRADE
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b : a mark indicating a degree of accomplishment in school
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Grade (education) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_(education))
Grades are standardized measurements of varying levels of comprehension within a subject area. Grades can be assigned in letters (for example, A, B, C, D, E or F), as a range (for example 1.0–4.0), as descriptors (excellent, great, satisfactory, needs improvement), in percentages, or, as is common in some post-secondary institutions in some countries, as a Grade Point Average (GPA).

A grade is a scale that measures understanding and performance of the material. Better grades generally denote a better performance (variable exist such as favoritism, but under any system such variables would exist.)

In your analogy, the time you ran your race in would be your grade. Whether you wrote down the exact time, or assigned different brackets of times "grades", you could still compare the other runners if you so wish.

A grading scale, combined with syllabi (to designate what is expected of students before-hand) rubrics, and other educational assessment tools, allow the instructor, who would otherwise be left with a completely subjective decision as to whether a student comprehends the material sufficiently, to add a level of standardized evaluation to the criteria. It'll always have a subjective degree, but the instructor can, with these tools, show where the student is deficient in understanding ("you failed the WWII test, and that's why you failed history", for example.)

There are certain courses where a more holistic approach to study is pertinent; creative writing, for example. However, still, rubrics will help the students understand what they need to work on from paper to paper (ex: sentence structure and clarity, form and organisation), as well as help the instructor grade as fairly as possible. Even in a completely holistic workshop style class, however, it comes down to pass/fail, which would be a descriptive grade.

[FreeFocus]

I try my best in all of my endeavors and I always look for the A. When I don't achieve my goals I am very disappointed but come back very motivated. I don't cry about shit, I just get it done.

I find it weak to cry over bad grades (I guess if someone put in a ridiculous amount of work it'd be fine, it would be like training months for a fight or playing for an entire season and coming up short), but at least they care about their performance.