I'm 100% against Norman's banning

[American Kid]

This is a thread I'm starting because I can and I feel like it. There are already two or three, but the truth is there should be a thousand.

I'll be the first to concede that Normin should have his mouth washed out with soap every so often, that at times the majority of his ranting can consist primarily of obscenely innappropriate (and disrespectful) hazing and name-calling of other members here, which can be at times as wanton as it is unwarranted.

And I can also say the same about any number of other members here, left-wingers, who advocate that all capitalists are trash, and that we should storm the pentagon and open fire til everybody's dead. Two concepts which would summarily recieve the preverbial "thumbs down" from this kid.

I would say that Norm is periodically-ignorant, hostile, and annoyingly partisan; I'd also say that he's well-read, much-informed, and obviously further-educated than the majority of other members here. He can call names and unfairly (and un-sportsman-ly) sap your integrity, but he can also knock you down a few pegs with honest, literate debate. I've seen examples of both many times over.

These repeated bannings are plaguing my beloved Che-lives.com with the banality of a bad Friday the 13th movie; because, just like Jason Vorhees, you know he's just going to come back.

I anxiously await the next incarnation,
-ak

"If she floats then she is not...a 'witch' like we had thought...." -----------Kurt Cobain

[American Kid]

Also, before any of you assholes goes trying to ban me, I advocated the same rights for Mazdak.

If that "name" doesn't "ring a bell" with any of you new-guys, then you should definetely/probably just sit back and enjoy the scenery for a bit and let the "big-boys" of the board handle these issues.

all apologies,
-ak

[Felicia]

I liked Mazdak :(

but he seems bitter now :blink:

Not a lot of us thought that normon should've been banned eh. You have CC access, go look for yourself :unsure: :(

I think it's called "ban normon/ghost writer" but I'm not too sure....

[suffianr]

I'm sorry, AK.

I'll plead the Bystander Effect, because it's been going on for so long and I'm just so desensitized with Norm's nuances that I really can't muster any feeling on this matter anymore.

So I voted "Yes", as in a knee-jerk-reactionary-stopgap-as-you-please-measure of a "Yes" because I'm just appallingly fed up with this scene.

I'm well and truly out of it.

Sorry, Norm, but I don't like Jason Vorhees, either.

[canikickit]

He really shouldn't have said stupid things like this, should he?

I must admit that I would treat a hot communist girl like the whore she is, just for my own personal gratification. Long term relations would be out of the question though. You know, use them and then loose them, since they are good for nothing but their promiscuity. At least communist women are good for something, while the same can not be said for their male counterparts.

It was a really stupid thing to say.
http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?a...ist%20girl&st=0 (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=9617&hl=hot%20communist%20girl&st=0)

I think that is the most damning example of his "humourous jibes".
I didn't really want to see him banned either, but I can't say I'm particularily upset about it.

As an interesting and exciting side-note, I do think that Norm is excessively boring, and a high proportion of his arguments are utter nonsense wrapped up in a few big words and scientific jargon.

[Unrelenting Steve]

Whenever I have butted heads with him he has never countered me with any substance, I seem to only recall things like; "what point?". So obviously i dont care, and perhaps am a little happy about this development, but my emotion is so small on this its hard to tell.

[Iron Star]

Whenever I have butted heads with him he has never countered me with any substance, I seem to only recall things like; "what point?". So obviously i dont care, and perhaps am a little happy about this development, but my emotion is so small on this its hard to tell.


I totallly known what you are saying! Remember when you debated him about his signature? (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=16114&st=) No substance there. It's as if he is speaking in tongues. What a goofus.

[sliverchrist]

I have never ebcountered any of the parties in question but if the quote from canikickit is correct then by all means ban. Such broad assumptions and slander are not cooth at all. I would never want to "butt heads" to quote unrelenting steve, with this norm fella, it sounds as if it would be a major totally unworthwhile head ache. :mellow:

[Urban Rubble]

I agree with AK. I don't think he should have been banned at all.

So he made alot of stupid comments, so what ? I think this banning bullshit is getting out of hand.

[Xvall]

Mazdak owes me a leech.

[Michael De Panama]

Another unpopular person smarter than the majority of the board has been banned? Why aren't you used to it yet, AK?

[Hayduke]

Originally posted by Michael De [email protected] 24 2003, 03:57 AM
Another unpopular person smarter than the majority of the board has been banned? Why aren't you used to it yet, AK?
MDP,

Please inform me of any member where that has been the case ?

[Unrelenting Steve]

Originally posted by Iron [email protected] 23 2003, 01:36 PM

Whenever I have butted heads with him he has never countered me with any substance, I seem to only recall things like; "what point?". So obviously i dont care, and perhaps am a little happy about this development, but my emotion is so small on this its hard to tell.


I totallly known what you are saying! Remember when you debated him about his signature? (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=16114&st=) No substance there. It's as if he is speaking in tongues. What a goofus.
I am glad someone else noticed.

[Michael De Panama]

Originally posted by D DAY+Aug 24 2003, 04:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (D DAY @ Aug 24 2003, 04:13 AM)
Michael De [email protected] 24 2003, 03:57 AM
Another unpopular person smarter than the majority of the board has been banned? Why aren&#39;t you used to it yet, AK?
MDP,

Please inform me of any member where that has been the case ? [/b]
"lenin", Mazdak, SN the first time, and plenty others.

For that matter, that includes Guerrillaradio.

[mentalbunny]

See we banned him once and he came back, and back and back again (I think I can&#39;t remember how many of him there are). I know it&#39;s a pain but on that front I think we should ban him every single time he signs up again. And he constantly makes comments that are ban worthy, remember all that spam when he was fighting with James? That&#39;s what got him banned, deservedly so, in the first place. Has he done anything to redeem himself? I don&#39;t think so.

And if there are lefties acting in a similar manner please alert an admin or a mod, or anyone and everyone, because it&#39;s not acceptable. I know sometimes we can all get worked up and start name-calling, etc, and that&#39;s only human, but there are limits, and although I did find the commie-girl/whore comment slightly amusing on one level, it was definitely beyond the boundries.

Sorry to disagree with you AK, but I do.

[canikickit]

I find it difficult to undertstand how anyone could consider Mazdak intelligent.
Mazdak was one of the biggest fools I&#39;ve ever encountered.

I also don&#39;t see a problem with people being banned because they are unpopular. it is why they were unpopular that you should examine.

[Michael De Panama]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2003, 01:41 PM
I find it difficult to undertstand how anyone could consider Mazdak intelligent.
Mazdak was one of the biggest fools I&#39;ve ever encountered.

I also don&#39;t see a problem with people being banned because they are unpopular. it is why they were unpopular that you should examine.
I never said he was intelligent. I was only comparing him to the majority of people on this board.

[mentalbunny]

Mazdak was a fool, totally unconnected to the rest of the world population in my opinion.

MdeP, what exactly do you mean in your sig, is it a shopping list?&#33;&#33;&#33;

[BOZG]

END THE PURGE


Look if you don&#39;t want to talk to the guy or hear what he says then fucking ignore him. You can whine and whine about why he comes back everytime ban him but you&#39;ll never realise that he comes back because he&#39;ll get the attention. If you really want him to go, then fucking ignore him because if he keeps getting banned, he&#39;ll just come back. Personally I rarely venture into OI so it doesn&#39;t really bother me what he says.

[Michael De Panama]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2003, 02:07 PM
Mazdak was a fool, totally unconnected to the rest of the world population in my opinion.

MdeP, what exactly do you mean in your sig, is it a shopping list?&#33;&#33;&#33;
It&#39;s some of Saddam Hussein&#39;s alleged deadly arsenal that caused us to go to war.

[BOZG]

I wish I could have a shopping list like that.

[sc4r]

You can debate endlessly about whether anyone should ever be banned, but the fact is that this is a private forum and the owner(s) have decided that they will ban people who are rude assholes.

Norm is just such an asshole; and always has been.

I have not the slightest idea why some people here seem to hold him in such esteem. His arguments are always long, always full of important sounding comment; and ultimnately alwaus almost 100% devoid of actual intellectual content. He can write well; but what he writes is actually rubbish.

I dont say this merely because I&#39;m a socialist and he is not. I have had many good discussions with very right wing people (not so much on this forum , but on others). It is quite simply that Norm is not much good at discussing or thinking.

Bottom line if anyone ever deserved banning it was Norm.

[canikickit]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2003, 09:31 PM
I have not the slightest idea why some people here seem to hold him in such esteem. His arguments are always long, always full of important sounding comment; and ultimnately alwaus almost 100% devoid of actual intellectual content. He can write well; but what he writes is actually rubbish.
I&#39;m glad I&#39;m not the only one who realises that.
So far Scar, it&#39;s just me, you and Norm that have made it clear. :D


I never said he was intelligent. I was only comparing him to the majority of people on this board.

I don&#39;t really think that the majority of people on this board are "one of the biggest fools I&#39;ve ever encountered". I think that Mazdak was one of the stupidest people on this board. I really didn&#39;t like the guy, and I wouldn&#39;t put him in the same catagory as the member who annoys me most on the board (that&#39;s you Mike :lol: ). No, not really.

[Michael De Panama]

Well, shit, man.

[Palmares]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2003, 05:08 AM
END THE PURGE


Look if you don&#39;t want to talk to the guy or hear what he says then fucking ignore him. You can whine and whine about why he comes back everytime ban him but you&#39;ll never realise that he comes back because he&#39;ll get the attention. If you really want him to go, then fucking ignore him because if he keeps getting banned, he&#39;ll just come back. Personally I rarely venture into OI so it doesn&#39;t really bother me what he says.
Finally, someone who sees my view.


Honestly, are we to remove anyone who is &#39;undesirable&#39;?

Banning should not be so trivial.

[Fever]

Agreed

[ComradeJunichi]

None of you know Mazdak personally. I&#39;ve met him severally times and hung out with him. I talk to him a lot also. He&#39;s a very intelligent person, frankly I wish I knew as much about history as he does. Not only knowledge but he has the capability to THINK, I don&#39;t see why he&#39;s considered a fool.

Stormin Norman, it&#39;s probably too late to even get him back on the board. In my opinion, you guys lost a pretty good guy. He&#39;s posts once in a while on my board, he&#39;s doing great. He puts up pretty good debates, except I read one about communism and homosexuality, lol.

If Che-Lives decides to ban them, then they ban them. There&#39;s nothing you can do. Plus, it&#39;s not like Che-Lives fell apart because of these few guys.

I don&#39;t support the ban, but hey, what does that have to do with anything?

[sc4r]

&#39;Stormin Norman, it&#39;s probably too late to even get him back on the board&#39;

LOL if you beliueve that you&#39;ll prolly like the price I can offer you on a slightly used bridge or several.

The only question with Norm is what name he will use when he finally re-surfaces.

He is either an over educated but under thoughtful zealot or he just enjoys talking verbose BS to taunt people.

Personally I reckon he is one that fairly common internet breed who have read a whole lot of books, fills in by looking up any old internet article that seems to reflect what he would like to say, pretends to understand the subject deeply (and maybe even thinks that he does); probably claims to have a massive intellect (errr actually not much uncertainty about this one Sc4r .... ed); and cant accept that anyone might not bow down in awe before it.

Could I be wrong? Nope, not on this one; its far too obvious. His psychology is as obvious as the nose on pinochio&#39;s face.

[suffianr]

We &#39;lost&#39; an individual that eventually created more strife when we were arguing about him among ourselves than when we were actually responding to his threads. :angry:

[mentalbunny]

Joon, I&#39;m sorry, I know you shouldn&#39;t judge someone by their views on one issue, but I find it very hard to take someone seriously when they think that all drugs, including alcohol should be made illegal. Saying that in an ideal world they&#39;d be illegal is ok, but he didn&#39;t say that, he really thought prohibition would work, or at least that&#39;s what I remember, correct me if I&#39;m wrong.

[canikickit]

He&#39;s a very intelligent person, frankly I wish I knew as much about history as he does

I don&#39;t define intelligence as the amount of facts you can repeat back to someone. He didn&#39;t display that capacity to think, to me, that is why I think he is a fool.

[Soul Rebel]

seriously, why ban Norman completely? we have a section called Opposing Ideologies for a reason- to debate different points of view. Personally i like the thought of being able to argue with someone who has a different view: you can learn how to make your arguement stronger and it actually makes you think (the horror, right?)

I dont agree with anything Norman has to say and i never will, but i dont think he should banned. I think it is ridiculous. Just keep him in OI.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2003, 09:31 PM
seriously, why ban Norman completely? we have a section called Opposing Ideologies for a reason- to debate different points of view. Personally i like the thought of being able to argue with someone who has a different view: you can learn how to make your arguement stronger and it actually makes you think (the horror, right?)

I dont agree with anything Norman has to say and i never will, but i dont think he should banned. I think it is ridiculous. Just keep him in OI.
I disagree, he was banned because of the James issue, and rightly, just because some time has gone by does not mean that he has redeamed himself. Infact quite the oppersit, his sexism and trolling, has infact done quite the oppersit. If anything, he has earned his recent banning even more since his first banning.

[American Kid]

I still don&#39;t support it.

-ak

[Michael De Panama]

Thank you AK, thank you MDP and thank you joon for supporting me, but frankly i couldnt give a shit about this website any longer. It just isnt worth my time. Alcohol is an obvious problem for the world. it destroys the kidneys and costs society greatly. Drugs do just the same. They serve no purpose other than temporary pleasure for the individual , while at the same time damaging society as a whole by creating more crime, and costing society, as they try to rehabilitate these addicted individuals. As to my intellect, i never claimed to be a rocket scientist, but by any means, Canikickit is the last person who should be throwing insults. Metalbunny, am i the fool? When you OD or your brother or sister gets killed by a drunk driver, who will the fool be? I do not just repeat facts, i am no one&#39;s parrot. In fact, my views as an authoritarian are a far cry from those of "lenin" (AKA dzerzhinsky, kryuchkov etc), Thursday night, Chairman mao, or nateddi. We may all respect stalin, but for the most part, that is as far as it goes. I can formulate my own ideas, and think at that. My bannings were absurd and my caging in the OI forum was just as bad. I have no further interest in this forum, there are few people here of real character or worth, and those who are here and are worth debating and dealing with i can find posting at the phora and ISF. AK47, Victorcommie and D Day are just some examples of why. Laugh all you want at my ideas. I laugh at yours just the same.

--Mazdak

[canikickit]

I am actually the first person who should be throwing insults around, namely because I do so in such a witty and debonair style.

[Saint-Just]

I agree with Comrade Junichi about Mazdak. He is an interesting and highly intelligent person. I think he was to some extent pushed into a corner regarding his banning on this site. He did provoke the banning of course, but in protest of Che-Lives, concerning the anti-Stalinist sentiment here. He is an individual that would not tolerate it, that is unfortunate I think. Although I don&#39;t know the intimacies of his last days here. I cannot remotely agree with his views on alcohol.

[mentalbunny]

The thing about alcohol is that he&#39;s right, it&#39;s not good by any means, but try getting everyone else to agree to give it up&#33; It won&#39;t work, organised crime would have a field day&#33;

[elijahcraig]

From my experience with Norman here and at ISF lately, he is probably 90% smarter than most on this board, or at least posts well thought out posts. i enjoy his posts on ISF, much more so than the usual, "Che Rules" nonsense. Maybe we should start banning liberals, democratic socislits, and Trotskyists...they&#39;re all uneducated capitalists, at least Norman can make an arguemtn past "You&#39;re fuckin&#39; crazy totalitarian&#33;" hmmm

[Dark Capitalist]

Indeed. We should unban not only SN but Mazdak and RAM as well.

[canikickit]

Dark Capitalist, why do you ave a symbol of fascism in your avatar?

[Soul Rebel]

Originally posted by Michael De [email protected] 28 2003, 12:49 AM
Thank you AK, thank you MDP and thank you joon for supporting me, but frankly i couldnt give a shit about this website any longer. It just isnt worth my time. Alcohol is an obvious problem for the world. it destroys the kidneys and costs society greatly. Drugs do just the same. They serve no purpose other than temporary pleasure for the individual , while at the same time damaging society as a whole by creating more crime, and costing society, as they try to rehabilitate these addicted individuals. As to my intellect, i never claimed to be a rocket scientist, but by any means, Canikickit is the last person who should be throwing insults. Metalbunny, am i the fool? When you OD or your brother or sister gets killed by a drunk driver, who will the fool be? I do not just repeat facts, i am no one&#39;s parrot. In fact, my views as an authoritarian are a far cry from those of "lenin" (AKA dzerzhinsky, kryuchkov etc), Thursday night, Chairman mao, or nateddi. We may all respect stalin, but for the most part, that is as far as it goes. I can formulate my own ideas, and think at that. My bannings were absurd and my caging in the OI forum was just as bad. I have no further interest in this forum, there are few people here of real character or worth, and those who are here and are worth debating and dealing with i can find posting at the phora and ISF. AK47, Victorcommie and D Day are just some examples of why. Laugh all you want at my ideas. I laugh at yours just the same.

--Mazdak
it is not alcohol or drugs that causes crime- it is poverty and racism that causes crime. Poverty and racism make people turn to drugs to escape and as an economic source. When you have been left with nothing or have never had anything, have no education, bad health, and live in run down areas what else can you do? Drugs and alcohol can help you escape from many problems- even if just temporarily.

If society really wanted to save money and rid itself of so many problems then it should try to change the system that causes these problems rather than blaming the people who are victims of the system. Victim blaming does not solve anything, but cause more problems.

Why should cani be the last person throwing insults? Cani has great reasoning and thoughtful arguments. Is it the pot thing?