ELF hits SUV warehouse in Cali

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http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in...les_and_driving (http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=business&cat=automobiles_and_driving)


Might be a topic on this already...


Any thoughts....the group, or members of it, have caused over $100 million in damage(since '97)...

Effective or Not?

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

i think there getting there point threw but these are the people that hult and protest against buiding power plants, or anything that hurts the enviorment. i think that they are just getting in the way for new workers to begin working on these new projects and need to be stopped.

[Valkyrie]

They are my unsung heros.

[Lefty]

I do enjoy seeing SUV's destroyed.

[redstar2000]

An interesting development; I was under the impression that those folks were moribund.

Sometimes, resistance to capitalism takes the form of destroying the property of the rich...which will probably not really change anything but may perhaps encourage further resistance to capitalism.

We'll see if they can keep it up...and how it resonates.

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[Rastafari]

I agree with Paris

[suffianr]

LOL, when are they going to hit a Roundup factory?

I'm afraid I don't fully agree with this; what if the losses prompts the company to fire workers?

Like companies need such good excuses to retrench people anyway.

[FabFabian]

Hmmmm....let's see, should I feel sorry for people who sell Stupid Ugly Vans, build ostentatious houses in the suburbs or be more concerned with the environment??? No contest...the environment. You can always get another job in a better sector than automobiles that pollute the earth. They better just watch that they don't kill anyone or everyone who donates to Greenpeace or the Sierra Club is going to be on a gov't list.

[Finality]

Destroying SUVs may seem admirable and all, but it doesn&#39;t really make them look very good in the eyes of the public. It marginalizes their cause and makes everyone on the same side of the issue as them look foolish by association. <_<

[Sabocat]

Destroying SUVs may seem admirable and all

And it is...


but it doesn&#39;t really make them look very good in the eyes of the public. It marginalizes their cause and makes everyone on the same side of the issue as them look foolish by association.

I&#39;m the "public" and they look like gods to me.

If anyone looks foolish by association, it&#39;s the "President of the SUV Owners of America" organization. Condemning it, and basically calling it domestic terrorism. It&#39;s also funny that they blame candidate for governor Arianna Huffington because she has publicly asked Detroit to make more fuel efficient and less polluting vehicles, they say, creating a tone and cause for these "terrorists"

I love hearing the wealthy ruling class whine.

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Worthless violence. Achieved nothing. To the average person, these guys just look like a bunch of looney radicals.

The average person isn&#39;t "won over" by arson and anti-american slogans.

These guys could really benefit from reading lardlads post about image. :wacko:

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Hummer fans are rallying&#33;

Yahoo&#33; News Article (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030825/ap_on_re_us/car_dealership_fire_1)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030822/capt.1061579480.car_dealership_fire_canu108.jpg

[Finality]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2003, 12:09 PM

Destroying SUVs may seem admirable and all

And it is...


but it doesn&#39;t really make them look very good in the eyes of the public. It marginalizes their cause and makes everyone on the same side of the issue as them look foolish by association.

I&#39;m the "public" and they look like gods to me.

If anyone looks foolish by association, it&#39;s the "President of the SUV Owners of America" organization. Condemning it, and basically calling it domestic terrorism. It&#39;s also funny that they blame candidate for governor Arianna Huffington because she has publicly asked Detroit to make more fuel efficient and less polluting vehicles, they say, creating a tone and cause for these "terrorists"

I love hearing the wealthy ruling class whine.
I did not say that it wasn&#39;t admirable to destroy SUVs.

You are only one member of the public though, and one who allready supports this cause at that. However, the general public will see them as a group of nutcases who only want to blow stuff up. There are better means to an end in this situation.

[Sabocat]

The average person isn&#39;t "won over" by arson and anti-american slogans.

Look how the average amerikan fell for all the colorful "War on Terrorism" banners and buzz words on FoxNews. Who can say what wins over these people. I&#39;m not sure I care what those "average amerikans" think anyway. They&#39;ve been so heavily marketed to by the media and the white house, they can&#39;t think straight anyway.



There are better means to an end in this situation.


Yeah, maybe we can get a big petition going and get a lot of people to sign it, and then give it to General Motors and ask them nicely to stop making vehicles that get 6-12mpg. I&#39;m sure they will. :lol:

Sometimes it takes action like that to bring a topic to the forefront. To get people talking and thinking.

[redstar2000]

These guys could really benefit from reading lardlads post about image.

Yes indeed&#33; From now on, the Earth Liberation Front should, before trashing the rich, always put on a nice suit and tie. :lol:

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[Xvall]

Lol Redstar. Yeah; seriously. I don&#39;t care much for image, to be honest. Even if we had a good image, it would be ruined when FOX and MSNBC start accusing us of treason.


I&#39;m not sure I care what those "average amerikans" think anyway.

That&#39;s the thing&#33; The average american doesn&#39;t think.

[Finality]

Originally posted by Drake [email protected] 26 2003, 05:34 PM
1. Lol Redstar. Yeah; seriously. I don&#39;t care much for image, to be honest. Even if we had a good image, it would be ruined when FOX and MSNBC start accusing us of treason.


I&#39;m not sure I care what those "average amerikans" think anyway.

2. That&#39;s the thing&#33; The average american doesn&#39;t think.
(I&#39;ve put numbers in for easier replying.)

1. That&#39;s why, in order to win, you can&#39;t just go around destroying property and spraypainting slogans on buildings. You need to work the media and turn it to your advantage.

2. That&#39;s quite a broad generalization. Just because someone doesn&#39;t agree with you, does not mean that they are idiots. :rolleyes:

[Valkyrie]

That IS their agenda, Finality, destroying property and facilities that irrepairably destroy the welfare of the people and the planet ie, clear-cutting, blowing country-sized holes in the ozone, growing mutated vegetables and people --- They have the bigger picture in mind. They are not doing it to "send a message." We should be thanking these noble freedom-fighters.

[Xvall]

That&#39;s why, in order to win, you can&#39;t just go around destroying property and spraypainting slogans on buildings. You need to work the media and turn it to your advantage.

The media will never &#39;work to our advantage&#39;. I could care less if their &#39;property&#39; is damaged. The mainstream media will demonize us the first change they get.


That&#39;s quite a broad generalization. Just because someone doesn&#39;t agree with you, does not mean that they are idiots

No. I live here, and I know it for a fact. The majority of Americans do not think for themselves. Statistically, this is entirely true. Most Americans are downright stupid, and most don&#39;t make decisions for themselves, and instead try to ignore important issues. If most Americans could think for themselves, we would not be at war.

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Instead of destroying SUV&#39;s that can easily be replaced, why not try and influence the minds of people buying the vehicles to purchase more economical cars?


"The majority of Americans do not think for themselves. Statistically, this is entirely true."

What statistic? Did you study the statistical information? How do you know they weren&#39;t bending the truth? How do you know it&#39;s "entirley true"?

[Valkyrie]

"Instead of destroying SUV&#39;s that can easily be replaced, why not try and influence the minds of people buying the vehicles to purchase more economical cars?"

Well, because you can&#39;t fit your jet-ski, snowmobile, ten-speed, the lap-top, 2 whiny kids and their playstations, the dog and 6 shopping bags of Gap into a VW. People buy them because they are convienent, and they don&#39;t give a shit what happens to the planet after they are done living on it.

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"Well, because you can&#39;t fit your jet-ski, snowmobile, ten-speed, the lap-top, 2 whiny kids and their playstations, the dog and 6 shopping bags of Gap into a VW. People buy them because they are convienent, and they don&#39;t give a shit what happens to the planet after they are done living on it."

So destroying an SUV they can easily replace solves the problem?

[Valkyrie]

Yeah. it settles an immediate problem.

Anyway, the ain&#39;t blowing them up with people in them.. so it&#39;s just a bunch of scrap metal.

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"Yeah. it settles an immediate problem."

How? They can just replace the ones destroyed. How does it solve anything?

[Finality]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 02:57 AM
"Yeah. it settles an immediate problem."

How? They can just replace the ones destroyed. How does it solve anything?
It only creates more waste. Destroying a couple of SUVs are barely going to show up on a massive corporation&#39;s radar. It&#39;s not going to make a dent in their income.

[Conghaileach]

This is also being discussed in the Newswire forum, here (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=16797).

[Xvall]

Statistically, the fact that George Bush managed to steal the election was enough evidence for me. It proves that the majority of Americans don&#39;t care enough about this issue or think for themselves to have stopped it. If the majority of Americans did think for themselves, Bush would not be in office, as he did not get the majority vote. Obviously, most of my countrymen don&#39;t seem to care about these issues. Polls are not useful means of deducing something anyways; considering that it would be impossible to extract an honest opinion from every citizen in the country.