Redstar2000: A Practitioner of Private Property?

[Phased Out]

For those who don't know who redstar2000 was, he was a brilliant speaker on the issue of communism. I've had the pleasure of debating with him many times via email many years ago. I don't know what happened to him but I do miss having those discussions with him and reading his archived posts on this site.

One thing I noticed about his website:http://rs2kpapers.awardspace.com/

If you look near the very bottom of his page, you'll notice this "gaffe".

Copyright © 2003-2006 RedStar2000Papers.com -- Some rights reserved.

Does this mean he's a capitalist? Or at least a practitioner of private property?

I wish somebody could explain this one.

[Le Libérer]

For those who don't know who redstar2000 was, he was a brilliant speaker on the issue of communism. I've had the pleasure of debating with him many times via email many years ago. I don't know what happened to him but I do miss having those discussions with him and reading his archived posts on this site.

One thing I noticed about his website:http://rs2kpapers.awardspace.com/

If you look near the very bottom of his page, you'll notice this "gaffe".

Copyright © 2003-2006 RedStar2000Papers.com -- Some rights reserved.

Does this mean he's a capitalist? Or at least a practitioner of private property?

I wish somebody could explain this one.

I am redstar200's caretaker. He was paralized after the hurricans Katrina and Rita from a stroke.

I can tell you from almost 3 years of caring for him, he is no capitialist.

[#FF0000]

putting ur name on things u rite is capitalzim durf

[Spawn of Stalin]

In the world of intellectual property, particularly on the internet, "some rights reserved" generally means that the user is permitted to reuse the corresponding material with some conditions attached, for example you may need to credit the creator, you may not be allowed to use the materials for to generate profits, etc. I doubt it's anything to worry about and putting a some rights reserved notice on your work certainly does not make one a capitalist.

[Devrim]

I am redstar200's caretaker. He was paralized after the hurricans Katrina and Rita from a stroke.

I can tell you from almost 3 years of caring for him, he is no capitialist.,,I think the fact that Debs has to care for yer man says that he isn't a capitalist.

As he himself would undoubtedly have told you being a capitalist is not an ideological position, but a relationship to the means of production.

The fact that he is relying on the friendship of his comrades to look after him, and doesn't have ten paid nurses following his every whim says something about his class position.

I sincerely hope that if I am in a similar position somebody cares as much about me as Debs obviously does about him.

Devrim

[ComradeMan]

Is the merchandise and imaging on CheLives.com (C) or (TM) ?

[Bud Struggle]

Politics are important but human relations are the definition of who we are as creatures on this earth. All his post show him to be a Communist and unless he posts or ask someone close to him to post differently I consider him as such. He deserves that respect.

I wish him well.

[RGacky3]

Copyright © 2003-2006 RedStar2000Papers.com -- Some rights reserved.

Does this mean he's a capitalist? Or at least a practitioner of private property?

I wish somebody could explain this one.

OH DAMN, YOU GOT US .....

in case you hav'nt noticed, everyone is a practitioner of private property because we live in Capitalism.

[RedStarOverChina]

I'm surprised that RS2K failed to knock some sense into you, since you claim to have debated with him.

[synthesis]

Is the merchandise and imaging on CheLives.com (C) or (TM) ?

I don't think any of that shit could be trademarked even if we wanted to.

[Revolution starts with U]

I think this post is a perfect example of why there is an OI forum...
IOW: Trollin, trollin trollin
Keep those cappies trollin

[Bud Struggle]

Redstar is a VERY INTERESTING GUY! As the OP suggested I've been reading his website http://rs2kpapers.awardspace.com/ for me he almost gets Communism to make sense:rolleyes:. Very down to earth and practical but always on point.

I wish the Comrade was still around here. He also has a wiki page--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Redstar2000 and it seems he's not that old of a person (born 1942--Ok, that's relative ;) ) Anyway--he's definitely worth a read for any comarde interested in making a plausable argument for Communism.

He does it so well.

[ComradeMan]

What's this with discussing a former member in a semi-accusational sense (OP) when they can't answer back?

While I am at.... Chomsky's stuff is copyright too...

[Ele'ill]

What's this with discussing a former member in a semi-accusational sense (OP) when they can't answer back?

While I am at.... Chomsky's stuff is copyright too...

I'd imagine it has to do with publishing through a publisher that can reach a wide audience.

[Luís Henrique]

http://images.mylot.com/userImages/images/postphotos/2283585.gif

Luís Henrique

[TC]

Marxists typically distinguish between private property and personal property. Private property is capital, productive property that extracts additional property from it. Personal property are mere possessions which do not create the same social relations. To be a capitalist is not to possess personal property but to posses profit yielding private property (such as a factory, or other revenue or interest producing asset) - redstar2000's website is an example of purely personal property (unlike say a website that actually generates revenue).

[Revy]

That is intellectual property. Rights claimed by the owner of an original work.

Perhaps he does not want people copying his writings and claiming it as their own.

Or maybe it is just something he added with not much thought.

[Le Libérer]

You all know he didnt place a copyright on that page right? It wasnt on the original website (if I remember correctly) All the pages were moved to awardspace after his stroke to preserve his work. These pages originally were placed at redstar2000.com

In fact he is completely unaware of its placement there. When asked he still tells people to go to redstar2000.com. Its easier for me just to nod and agree then direct them to where it is now.

Phased Out, I dont know who you are, but I doubt very seriously you've ever debated rs2k or you would know he isnt a Capitalist. I strongly feel you are just being provocative.

And thank you Devrim, your kind words mean alot to me.

[Jalapeno Enema]

I own private property. I live in a capitalistic society. I do not want to freeze to death and starve, or be reduced to squatting. If somebody else decides they'd rather do that then own private property, then power to them. It is my personal choice to keep my modest collection of stuff, which helps me keep my health and survival, and yes I'll admit, some degree of recreation and luxury.

This does not mean I'm a cappie. I do not like private property. I wish we could do away with it. I hope we do.

Let's make a scenario to illustrate survival vs hypocrisy. Let us say I am a homosexual living in 1930's Germany. Let's say that I closet myself so as not to get gassed. Would acting heterosexual, perhaps even flirting/ dating women to "prove" that I wasn't homosexual, mean that I wasn't homosexual?

Of course not; it would only mean I have no desire to suffer, and a desire to thrive.

Socialists/communists/anarchists/etc suffer a similar dilemma (not as extreme, perhaps). If they wish to survive in a capitalistic society, they have to play by some of capitalism's rules. At least for the present.

I would also like to refer to the "no true scotsman" fallacy.

I would also like to refer to the "ad hominem" fallacy.

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http://communitiesonline.homestead.com/files/troll_2.jpg

[#FF0000]

I own private property.

*personal property

/nitpicking

[Jalapeno Enema]

*personal property

/nitpickingNo, I (co-)own real estate.

I'm the co-signer on my father's house.

[#FF0000]

I am pretty sure that owning a home/land that you live on doesn't count as "private"!

But maybe I'm wrong and it's nitpicking anyway.

[Jalapeno Enema]

I am pretty sure that owning a home/land that you live on doesn't count as "private"!

But maybe I'm wrong and it's nitpicking anyway.we could move out and rent it out, or we could sub-let.

Where the property is located, we can apply to have it re-zoned as commercial property. The only zoning limitations is industrial.

As is, it is only a personal residence, but owning real estate gives potential to make a profit off of "owning" land.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

we could move out and rent it out, or we could sub-let.

Where the property is located, we can apply to have it re-zoned as commercial property. The only zoning limitations is industrial.

As is, it is only a personal residence, but owning real estate gives potential to make a profit off of "owning" land.

Do you and your father have anywhere else to live? Otherwise I'd say that still counts as personal property.

[ComradeMan]

Does anyone here not fall into the category (potentially) of being an owner of private property....? FFS

This thread is stupid.

[Jalapeno Enema]

Do you and your father have anywhere else to live? Otherwise I'd say that still counts as personal property.My family, no.
Myself, I moved out of my apartment and here temporarily; I have an alternative.

I suppose I can get on board in that case, though. I'm only co-signer because I had better credit.


Does anyone here not fall into the category (potentially) of being an owner of private property....? FFS

This thread is stupid.Whether it's owning private property, or taking a job as wage slave, or obeying laws or paying taxes to the state, I doubt anybody here is innocent of engaging in, or relenting to, the status quo.

It's a matter of survival, it's a matter of picking your battles.

We need to get through today if we hope to make a better tomorrow.

And, yes, I agree, this thread is stupid.

[ComradeMan]

^^^^^^^^ Exactly.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

My family, no.
Myself, I moved out of my apartment and here temporarily; I have an alternative.

I suppose I can get on board in that case, though. I'm only co-signer because I had better credit.

In that case, you hardly strike me as being in a position to make money off the fact you have a flat.

Hang on though - credit? If you've got a mortgage or something similar, then you don't really own the place - the bank/building society does (which is why they have the legal right to kick you out for not keeping up on payments).

[Bud Struggle]

Well then how about if I own 100 acres of land? I raise some goats on it for my own consumption and that's about it. I don't make any money off of the land at all.

[Jalapeno Enema]

In that case, you hardly strike me as being in a position to make money off the fact you have a flat.

Hang on though - credit? If you've got a mortgage or something similar, then you don't really own the place - the bank/building society does (which is why they have the legal right to kick you out for not keeping up on payments).It's not mortgaged.

My granddad built the house in the 20's-'30s. Several years ago, before he died, he for some inexplicable reason stopped paying property taxes. The IRS told my father that if he didn't pay 10+ years of back taxes within a certain time-frame (I think the deadline was last November), they'd seize the house.

My father got a bank loan (not mortgage) to pay to keep the house. The bank required him to get a co-signer. [edit: my car is also the collateral]

Long story short, as far as the IRS is concerned, I helped to pay the taxes, so my granddad's estate upon death(a shitty old house that would not pass code, with no heat or hot water, and a partially collapsed roof) was split between myself and my father.

Thank you for taking this detour from the original topic, and I hope you chose me for your further digressing rants.

[Bud Struggle]

It's not mortgaged.

My granddad built the house in the 20's-'30s. Several years ago, before he died, he for some inexplicable reason stopped paying property taxes. The IRS told my father that if he didn't pay 10+ years of back taxes within a certain time-frame (I think the deadline was last November), they'd seize the house.


An aside:

Tax lien forclosure are getting to be a MAJOR business these days. You can buy an entire house for a few thousand dollars. People often don't pay the taxes for a while owe maybe $1000 dollars, but once the lawyer fees and government fees are added they end up owing maybe $5000--the government then sells these on the internet--and people buy them and forclose on the house.

If you have a mortage on the property--the mortage company covers for you, but if you own the house out right--you could be in a lot of trouble. Bank of America is a big player in this business.

Be careful.

[Jalapeno Enema]

An aside:

Tax lien forclosure are getting to be a MAJOR business these days. You can buy an entire house for a few thousand dollars. People often don't pay the taxes for a while owe maybe $1000 dollars, but once the lawyer fees and government fees are added they end up owing maybe $5000--the government then sells these on the internet--and people buy them and forclose on the house.

If you have a mortage on the property--the mortage company covers for you, but if you own the house out right--you could be in a lot of trouble. Bank of America is a big player in this business.

Be careful.
So true.
http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/demotivational-posters-in-capitalist-america.jpg

[Le Libérer]

Redstar2000 never owned land, a home, much less made money off tenants. I lived in low income areas of town his whole life, not that that proves he is a Capitalist or not.

And quite frankly if he knew there was a copy right on his work on a site that he cant even get to to edit, he would hit the roof.

Therefore I am making the decision to not even bring it up. Until he reads it himself.

[MarxSchmarx]

in most capitalist jurisdictions, a copyright automatically belongs to the creator of anything unless explicitly and in writing renounced (e.g., by tacking on the GPL license or agreeing to use facebook and subsequently uploading a photo). So RS2K's alleged assertion was in any case somewhat redundant.

[Revolution starts with U]

Jalepeno, that is THE BEST poster I have ever seen in my life :laugh::lol::laugh::lol::laugh::lol::thumbup1::thu mbup1::thumbup1: