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Sabocat
22nd August 2003, 12:18
This was sent to me in a PM and I decided to post it here. I suppose you could consider it like a trial and when the party is found guilty, he usually has a chance to address the court before sentencing. Well here it is. (I just know I'm gonna get endless shit for this)

At the very least, it should make for some enjoyable and witty repartee.

....and now, will the convicted please rise and address the court....


Why don't they seem to understand that they only make themselves appear to be weaklings when they ban some of their most outspoken opposition. I would like to continue the good fight, if they will change their minds and rectify their decision.

It's easy to take one thing that somebody has said out of context, and then use that one line to get a bunch lemmings to agree that a ban should be imposed, much easier than actually debating the points that I raise. I would wager that most of the carbon copy clones that agreed to ban me don't posess the intelligence necessary to understand my more serious posts. However, they do understand my underlying tone, and that I am an enemy of their collosal stupidity. Therefore, when the hive mind targets me directly its all to easy for these insects to quash somebody who is constantly asking them to question their collective ignorance.

You must realize that anyone could be their next target. The only form of opposition these communists twits wish to have within the OI forum is their friends the Stalinists. After all, they are only trying to hide the fact that given the nature of their ideology, they are, by default, Stalinistic or Hitleresque in nature. What better evidence than their unrelenting use of their power to ban. Maybe this is only a message board. Maybe this isn't a communist country. Maybe in real life this sort of desire to eliminate conflicting ideas fails to carry over as political murder. However, I think this behavior does speak volumes about the character of these people. They are disgusting human beings, and I am hardly convinced that given the opportunity that they would not behave in this same manner, if given a country/economy to run. In fact, all the evidence suggests that I am right.

This is the same behavior that led to my previous explosion of insults and spam that led to my first and subsequent bans. When those who are less than me started editing and deleting my posts, I got furious and reacted. Now they try to rewrite history and pretend that I am some evil monster that went ape-shit without provocation. Anybody who has read enough to know who I am will most certainly understand that claim to be a lie. I would rather debate the points. That is what I am about. Perhaps you don't like my methods, perhaps I can be brash. I am only disrespectful to those who don't deserve my respect. If that happens to be the majority of those who frequent Che-lives.com, then I make no apology. Tell me if surrepticious bans are respectable? How about editing work that is not your own? What about deleting people's work outright? I don't think so.

I called this move on the part of the administrators when they first changed the name of Socialism vs. Capitalism to Opposing Ideologies. Of course, I rightfully predicted the accelerating decline of Che-lives.com, and the ultimate removal of any capitalist representation. Tell me I didn't see the writing on the wall. Communists are all to predictable. It is easy to understand why they hate competition in the realm of debate, as it is the same for any human endeavor. Most of the people that follow Marx are mediocre in every way. Therefore, the only way they can prop themselves up is to eliminate their betters.

Instead, why don't you post this e-mail in it's entirety, and we can see if the cowards who started this move to ban be, the lemmings who went along with it, or the administrator who carried it out wish to take credit for their rather pathetic display of poor sportsmanship.

Your Opponent,

Stormin Norman

Danton
22nd August 2003, 12:44
I completley agree with him in regards to the editing, manipulation and deletion of words, banning him is not only cowardly but unproductive.

Invader Zim
22nd August 2003, 12:55
My opinion on him is well documented... I am not going to bother telling everyone again.

However Disgustapated, you did the right thing, you definatly should have posted it. You have no reason what so ever to recieve any critisism for posting this in my opinion.

Sabocat
22nd August 2003, 12:57
Thanks man

canikickit
22nd August 2003, 14:14
You're such a fucking idiot Norm.
I was against banning you, but I do think you are a terrible person, and pathetic in so many ways.

I can't be bothered dragging up the direct quotes, but your comments on "treating all communist women like the whores that they are" were possibly the largest contriubting factors into your being banned.

I'm sure you will claim that this was merely a joke. But it is a joke in very bad taste and speaks volumes about your underlying misogynistic nature.

Okay, I did bother:

I must admit that I would treat a hot communist girl like the whore she is, just for my own personal gratification. Long term relations would be out of the question though. You know, use them and then loose them, since they are good for nothing but their promiscuity. At least communist women are good for something, while the same can not be said for their male counterparts.

With regard to your original banning, I have been led to believe that the comments of yours which were edited or deleted were all in posts where you used generalised insults against people. One of these happened to be about Global Warming, and I believe it was the removal of this which sparked off your ire.
After that I saw many of the postrs which were later edited and they contained nothing other than slanders against James and sexual swear words and general derogatory remarks.


However, they do understand my underlying tone, and that I am an enemy of their collosal stupidity.

It is comments such as this, where you insist on being a total and complete asshole that leads to the lack of sympathy for you. The reality is that you are not a nice or polite person, you insult and aggrovate constantly, and although you are far from being the only guilty party, would you expect any other treatment, being that you are, by your nature, an outsider here?

You waffle about how it is in the nature of all communists to shoot down the oppositions soapboxes, but there are a great many other right wing sites which have banned members of this site.

On a website designed for debate, most people will not want a person who insists on personal attacks to be hanging around. You will always be seen as the aggressor, because a) you usually are, and b) you are the enemy.


Most of the people that follow Marx are mediocre in every way.

Is this necessary? You can excuse it as merely being you're "calling out the truth", but like it or not, it is nothing but an insult. You like to wrap things up in a cloak of intellectuality, but I see through you, and you know I do.

I also think it is important to note, that you suffer for your insults more than others because you generally dish out the insults in a far more cruel and spiteful way. Maybe I'm just biased in this aspect, but it would make sense, being that you are quite eloquent, would it not?

Felicia
23rd August 2003, 03:06
I voted one thing in the poll, and then decided that I didn't want him banned, I'm quite sure I said that much in the CC thread

Iron Star
23rd August 2003, 11:07
Well, well, well. Look whose back. If it isn't the infamous Stormin Norman, Old Friend, or last time I checked, Ghost Writer. You want people to own up to their behavior. Then I have absolutely no problem telling you that I voted in favor of your banning. You make me sick you capitalist pig and exploiter of children. Quite frankly, I am getting a little tired of seeing your truly frightening words littering this bulletin board. Perhaps now we can have civilized debate with the four or five decent capitalists who still visit this lovely website. Hooray, somebody has finally stepped up to the plate and ended your ridiculous clap-trap. I will let them take credit for their own work, you despicable human being, and women hater. You are everything that is wrong with this world. The socialist cause to end class oppression will never succeed so long as knuckle dragging neo-fascists, like you, still walk the planet. You said that all communists would advocate "political murder". If it means reducing the population of your kind, then I am having a real hard time seeing why this is a problem (kidding of course, Stalinism=bad :D ). Hooray for whoever initiated the ban. It was quite clever of them to wait for you to slip up, so we can no longer be bothered to hear your tiresome arguments. It's weird how they waited so long to use these words against you, but I am sure they had their reasons. You have a remarkable way of making enemies.

Hegemonicretribution
23rd August 2003, 17:03
Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 12:18 PM
Most of the people that follow Marx are mediocre in every way.


Perhaps, thats kind of the point. You know working class and all, we intend mediocre, but to raise the bar ofmediocre well above your head.

However even if they are mediocre, being a minority, what does that make the capitalists? The massive amount of flag waving morons that haven't so much as of heard of Smith or Hayeck. Regardless of age, etc most leftists at least know [/B]of[B] Marx and/or Engels.

sliverchrist
23rd August 2003, 18:53
Super pt. hegemonicretrobution <jesus what a mouth full of a name&#33; :lol: > Most capitalists I argue with lack even the barest of background of there beliefs, being under read and under educated about it. Its frustrating making a pt. with people like that, especially when its on a core belief of theirs and they have no idea about what started it, where its from, or who wrote it.

Iron Star
24th August 2003, 10:42
I went over to socialistfront.org (http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=359&st=15) to look it over, and look what I found. It appears that Stormin Norman is doing a fair amount of *****ing about che-lives over there. What a little *****. Look at what he said.

Che-lives used to be a very good website for debate. When socialism vs. capitalism existed, there were many well thought out discussions with many of the original members. When they started banning people they disagreed with, the overall quality of the site degraded to what it is now. Today that site is very boring. The average reading level of their members has diminished sharply, and it is difficult to even care that they have banned me.

It&#39;s kind of funny. I think AK47 initiated the ban because he has always been extremely jealous of my ability, and I have kicked his ass in many debates. I think that is precisely the reason they feel the need to ban people. Those who are in control over at che-lives can not formulate very intelligible arguments, and when they are made to look like the fools they are, they get upset enough to ban you. I also think its funny how they banned me when I quit showing up to their message board for over a week. Its as if they knew I was tired of them and they wanted to have the last laugh, so they could feel they had won some sort of victory. It&#39;s pathetic really. - Stormin Norman

I almost think we should unban him so we can see whose ass gets kicked. What a pompous ass this guy is.

Xvall
24th August 2003, 13:34
I don&#39;t think he should be banned, but we are most certainly not hitleresque in nature. More communists have been banned from right-wing boards than vice-versa.

Invader Zim
24th August 2003, 14:23
LOL what an arse, Norm if you read this, know that, your level of reasoning means that you are incapable of having a serious debate with anyone. You havent got the brains.

sc4r
24th August 2003, 20:38
Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 02:14 PM
You&#39;re such a fucking idiot Norm.
I was against banning you, but I do think you are a terrible person, and pathetic in so many ways.

I can&#39;t be bothered dragging up the direct quotes, but your comments on "treating all communist women like the whores that they are" were possibly the largest contriubting factors into your being banned.

I&#39;m sure you will claim that this was merely a joke. But it is a joke in very bad taste and speaks volumes about your underlying misogynistic nature.

Okay, I did bother:

I must admit that I would treat a hot communist girl like the whore she is, just for my own personal gratification. Long term relations would be out of the question though. You know, use them and then loose them, since they are good for nothing but their promiscuity. At least communist women are good for something, while the same can not be said for their male counterparts.

With regard to your original banning, I have been led to believe that the comments of yours which were edited or deleted were all in posts where you used generalised insults against people. One of these happened to be about Global Warming, and I believe it was the removal of this which sparked off your ire.
After that I saw many of the postrs which were later edited and they contained nothing other than slanders against James and sexual swear words and general derogatory remarks.


However, they do understand my underlying tone, and that I am an enemy of their collosal stupidity.

It is comments such as this, where you insist on being a total and complete asshole that leads to the lack of sympathy for you. The reality is that you are not a nice or polite person, you insult and aggrovate constantly, and although you are far from being the only guilty party, would you expect any other treatment, being that you are, by your nature, an outsider here?

You waffle about how it is in the nature of all communists to shoot down the oppositions soapboxes, but there are a great many other right wing sites which have banned members of this site.

On a website designed for debate, most people will not want a person who insists on personal attacks to be hanging around. You will always be seen as the aggressor, because a) you usually are, and b) you are the enemy.


Most of the people that follow Marx are mediocre in every way.

Is this necessary? You can excuse it as merely being you&#39;re "calling out the truth", but like it or not, it is nothing but an insult. You like to wrap things up in a cloak of intellectuality, but I see through you, and you know I do.

I also think it is important to note, that you suffer for your insults more than others because you generally dish out the insults in a far more cruel and spiteful way. Maybe I&#39;m just biased in this aspect, but it would make sense, being that you are quite eloquent, would it not?
Yes. I 100% agree Canicicket.

You express my sentiments better than I could have done myself.

I too see straight through him. People like norm who make such never ending play of how it is unfair that his mighty intellect should be challenged by pygmies, and how we are frightened of him are always like this.

Norm has had endless opportunities to make his points without resorting to insult; he never does so and has a huge chip on his shoulder because we wont simply allow him to do what he pleases.

Bottom line for Norm is that if you cant convince people its your fault not theirs. Calling them idjits wont make them agree with you.