Colonies

[Borincano]

Which colonies are still left in the world today? A hundred years ago, the list would be endless, but how many colonies exist today and what are their names?

[Jesus Christ]

ill make a list of the colonies on the left and then put who they belong to on the right

Ashmore & the Cartier Islands
Christmas Island
Cocos Islands
Coral Sea Islands
Heard Island & the McDonald Islands
Norfolk Island

All under Australian jurisdiction

Faeroe Islands
Greenland

Both under Danish jurisdiction

Aruba
Netherlands Antilles

Both under Dutch jurisdiction

Bassas da India
Clipperton Island
Europa Island
French Guiana
French Polynesia
French Southern & Antarctic Lands
Glorioso Islands
Guadeloupe
Juan de Nova Island
Martinique
Mayotte
New Caledonia
Reunion
Saint Pierre & Miquelon
Tromelin Island
Wallis & Futuna

All under French jursidiction

Cook Islands
Niue
Tokelau

All under New Zealand jurisdiction

Bouvet Island
Jan Mayen
Svalbard

All under Norwegian jurisdiction

Anguilla
Bermuda
British Indian Ocean Territory
British Virgin Islands
Cayman Islands
Falkland Islands
Gibraltar
Guernsey
Jersey
Isle of Man
Monsterrat
Pitcairn Islands
Saint Helena
South Georgia & South Sandwich Islands
Turks & Caicos Islands

All under U.K. jurisdiction

American Samoa
Baker Island
Guam
Howland Island
Iraq
Jarvis Island
Johnston Atoll
Kingman Reef
Midway Islands
Navassa Island
Northern Mariana Islands
Palmyra Atoll
Puerto Rico
Virgin Islands
Wake Island

All under U.S. jurisdiction

[Borincano]

Thanks for the list. Most, if not all, seem to be islands. (You forgot Corscia under the French) Which one is the most populated, which one is the oldest continous colony?

[apathy maybe]

Primus32302 a lot of those can't really be classed as colonies. The ones I think can be (because they have no representation in the 'mother country' for instance) I have marked. The others why I don't think so.

Ashmore & the Cartier Islands - does any one live on these?
Christmas Island - neither the Christmas Island people or other Australians think of them as a colony. And surly the population is not increasing? Plus they have representation in the parliament.
Cocos Islands - I think the same as Christmas Island (as in noone thinks of them as a colony and they have representation!).
Coral Sea Islands - I don't know :huh:
Heard Island & the McDonald Islands - Too cold! not permenently inhabited.
Norfolk Island - Same as Christmas Island. (see Cocos Islands)

All under Australian jurisdiction

Faeroe Islands -
Greenland -
Both of these have self government and basiclly do what they want with regards to trade etc.
Both under Danish jurisdiction

Aruba - Where is this?
Netherlands Antilles - Perhapes it is a colony. Not sure.

Both under Dutch jurisdiction

Bassas da India -
Clipperton Island -
Europa Island -
French Guiana -
French Polynesia -
French Southern & Antarctic Lands -
Glorioso Islands -
Guadeloupe -
Juan de Nova Island -
Martinique -
Mayotte -
New Caledonia - About half the people are European other half Melaniesian (sp?). About half want independence (guess which) and the other half (theory - all but about half don't vote (I don't think)) have representation in the French parliament.
Reunion -
Saint Pierre & Miquelon -
Tromelin Island -
Wallis & Futuna -
I didn't think that the French had any colonies still. I thought they either gave them all independence or made them a part of France just like Paris is (as in they have representation in the Legislature.
All under French jursidiction

Cook Islands - No
Niue - No
Tokelau - No

All under New Zealand jurisdiction

Bouvet Island - ?
Jan Mayen - ?
Svalbard - ?

All under Norwegian jurisdiction

Anguilla - ?
Bermuda - ?
British Indian Ocean Territory - ?
British Virgin Islands - ?
Cayman Islands - ?
Falkland Islands - Yes (The Argentines claim them but the population is British).
Gibraltar - Yes (The Spainish claim this place.)
Guernsey - No, all the Channel Islands are under the crown by not part of the UK.
Jersey - see above
Isle of Man - see above (not a Channel Island but same principle)
Monsterrat - ?
Pitcairn Islands - probably Yes. Even though only about 40 people live there.
Saint Helena - ?
South Georgia & South Sandwich Islands - ?
Turks & Caicos Islands - ?

All under U.K. jurisdiction

American Samoa - ?
Baker Island - Never heard of.
Guam - Not sure, is it just a military base?
Howland Island - ?
Iraq - LOL, not a colony in the old sense of the word.
Jarvis Island - Never heard of.
Johnston Atoll - Never heard of.
Kingman Reef - Never heard of.
Midway Islands - Umm. Probably not.
Navassa Island - ?
Northern Mariana Islands - Probably not.
Palmyra Atoll - Never heard of.
Puerto Rico - Umm. Maybe.
Virgin Islands - Umm. Maybe.
Wake Island - Umm. Maybe.

All under U.S. jurisdiction

Now I think I only said that the UK and the USA had colonies, but I am not sure. I don't think any place can be considered a colony in the old sense of the word. There maybe islands which are dependent on a country (like Falkland Islands, Cook Islands and Christmas Island, but I would doubt if any one would say that people were moving there to exploit the land etc.

Except maybe Israel and the Occupied Territories. and West Papua (part of Indonesia) and well there maybe a few but not by the big countries.

I welcome correction of course.

[schumi]

you guys forget Turkey, Italy, Holland, UK, Australia and a couple more as Colonies of the USA :lol: :ph34r:

[Jesus Christ]

i didnt just post colonies, i also posted principalities and territories also
and yes apathy, most of those islands and stuff ARE inhabited, be it a couple natives or colonialists

[Conghaileach]

What about Ireland's occupied six counties (under the UK), Catalonia and Pays Basque (under Spain), and Brittany (under France)?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

what about the moon, we have a flag there, don't we?

[timbaly]

French Guiana - Isn't this independent?

French Guiana is considered an overseas department of France. It actually has representatives in the French Legislature.


Cocos Islands - I think the same as Christmas Island
You might be confused with the Keeling Islands. The Keeling and Cocos Islands are the same thing. In 1984 the Cocos Islanders voted to become part of Australia so they really aren't a colony. Christmas Island is a completely different island.

[Guardia Bolivariano]

France also dominates a part of the basque population. And Corsega I think It was Italy who sold the island to France.

And Olivenza is suposedly portuguese land under spanish rule.

I would like to hear opinions on anti-colonialism and separatism.


In my opinion anti-colonialism helps the fight agaisnt imperialism but separatists that have a territorial despute make It easier for the US to control their people.

The smaller they get the easier they are to invade.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Originally posted by Guardia [email protected] 22 2003, 08:22 PM
In my opinion anti-colonialism helps the fight agaisnt imperialism but separatists that have a territorial despute make It easier for the US to control their people.

The smaller they get the easier they are to invade.
Comrade Guardia Bolivariano,
There is something to your point.

I would like to stress the point that there are many colonies around the world today that are not on this list. I know this thread is not dealing with neo-colonialism, with the possible exception of Comrade schumi's post. The developing world is still basically a collection of colonies serving to enrich the United States or one of the old European powers. The only difference is that we have the World Bank, IMF, and the like as enforcers rather than the military occupations that used to be much more common.

[Borincano]

Originally posted by Marxist in [email protected] 25 2003, 05:49 PM
The developing world is still basically a collection of colonies serving to enrich the United States or one of the old European powers. The only difference is that we have the World Bank, IMF, and the like as enforcers rather than the military occupations that used to be much more common.
Absolutely true.

[ernestolynch]

Cymru
Scotland/Alba
Kernow
The occupied six counties of north-eastern Ireland
- all by England

Breizh
Corse
- by France

Euskal Herria
Catalunya
Galizia
- by the Spanish state


Plus of course most countries are colonies of the IMF-NATO-USA, except Cuba of course!

[praxis1966]

In addition to the Six Counties that were mentioned above, I would like to remind all of Scotland, Whales, Cornwallis, and Devanshire. All of these were independent Gaelic nations/communities until the English subdued them.

BTW, I don't think anyone mentioned Jamaica as a territory of the U.$.

[ernestolynch]

Are those the Whales that Greenpeace campaign for? :ph34r: ;)

By the way - a quick lesson in Celtic history. All the Celtic nations were in the Isles (GB and Ireland) before the English came in app 650AD

These were of two main language types - Gaelic - (Irish, Scottish and Manx) and Brythonic (Welsh and Cornish).

When the Angles, Saxons and Jutes came over from the land now known as Germany/Netherlands/Denmark, the Celts retreated to the north and the west of Britain, to the mountainous regions now known as Cornwall (then called South Wales), Wales (Cambria), Cumbria and Southern Scotland. Many also fled across the sea to the northwest tip of what is now France and became known as Brittany. (This was known as Little Britain, and that is why the main islans is called 'Great' Britain).

Still with me? :D

The Germanic invaders settled and ethnically cleansed their conquered lands, and it then became known as land of the Angles, Angle-Land, ie England. The native British language, Welsh, was then spoken in the lands where the Britons/Celts fled.

Viking invaders, Danes, invaded and settled in the north-east of England. That's why there's lots of blonde-haired people up there, and common Viking names like Thompson, Johnson, Anderson etc.

However to blame the Anglo-Saxons or the Danes (the English) for the imperialism that was the British Empire would be slightly mistaken. The key year is, yes, 1066.

After a quarrel about who would succeed King Edward the Confessor, battles were fought and Duke Guillame du Batard (William the Bastard) won at Hastings. The Normans (who were incidentally a mixture of Franco-Vikings, hence the name Normans or North Mans) put in place a tyrannical, imperial and dictatorial structure in England. Over 200,000 English and Danes were starved to death, massacred and killed while William strengthened his power.

The Normans, after subduing the English, then conquered the Welsh/Cymry, then the Irish, then the Cornish, then parts of France, Europe then eventually Scotland and then of course 40% of the world's surface.

The Norman families that stole land at the point of the sword in 1066 still remain the most powerful people in England and the USA. The Bush family can be traced back to the Norman conquest.

Anyway hope you enjoyed that as much as I enjoyed typing it!

By the way - Devon(shire) is definitely part of England, and it's Cornwall/Kernow - not Cornwallis - he's the English general who surrendered to the rebel colonists in 1783(?)

[Conghaileach]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 11:57 PM
Many also fled across the sea to the northwest tip of what is now France and became known as Brittany. (This was known as Little Britain, and that is why the main islans is called 'Great' Britain).
Funny you should mention that. The Gaeilge for Wales is An Bhreatain Bheag, which translates into English as Little Britain.

The similarities are odd, aren't they?

[ernestolynch]

How do you pronounce that? Can you type it phonetically for me? I have real trouble working out pronunciations of Gaelic, even though I am fluent in Cymraeg.

Incidentally "Wales" and "Welsh" comes from the Saxon "Weallas" which means 'foreigners'! How ironic!
The Welsh for our people is Cymry, who live in Cymru, (come-rih) and speak Cymraeg. Cymry means comrades or brothers.

The Cymraeg for Englishmen is Saeson (from Saxons), and they live in Lloegr.

[Conghaileach]

The Gaeilge for Englishman/men is Sasanach/Sasanaigh (Sass-an-ach/Sass-an-ee). It would appear similar to your Saeson.

'An Bhreatain Bheag' is pronounced An Vratan Vig. Well, that's how I say it anyway. :unsure:

[Conghaileach]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2003, 12:43 AM
I have real trouble working out pronunciations of Gaelic, even though I am fluent in Cymraeg.
Come September I'll be doing Irish and Celtic Studies in Queen's University. As part of this course I can study Welsh, Cornish and Scotch-Gaelic. They're optional though and I'm not sure if it's worthwhile. What do you think?

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 11:18 PM
In addition to the Six Counties that were mentioned above, I would like to remind all of Scotland, Whales, Cornwallis, and Devanshire. All of these were independent Gaelic nations/communities until the English subdued them.

BTW, I don't think anyone mentioned Jamaica as a territory of the U.$.
Your talking rubbish, the English Never subdued Devon, it was conqured by the Normans shortly after the rest of England was subdued.

Were a bunch of wankers yes, but dont give me that bollocks. Go to Devon and Cornwall and tell them that they are a colony and they will laugh their arses off.

[ernestolynch]

Originally posted by CiaranB+Aug 30 2003, 01:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CiaranB @ Aug 30 2003, 01:34 AM)
[email protected] 30 2003, 12:43 AM
I have real trouble working out pronunciations of Gaelic, even though I am fluent in Cymraeg.
Come September I&#39;ll be doing Irish and Celtic Studies in Queen&#39;s University. As part of this course I can study Welsh, Cornish and Scotch-Gaelic. They&#39;re optional though and I&#39;m not sure if it&#39;s worthwhile. What do you think? [/b]
Go for Welsh (although I am biased). Scots Gaelic and Irish are very similar, as is Kernewek to Cymraeg.

Cymraeg is the most widely spoken of the Celtic languages - and there is lots of literature and materials available to help you. If you ever considered working in Wales, Welsh would be a distinct advantage.

[Vinny Rafarino]

I&#39;m originally from Aberdeen but I never actually got around to learning Scots Gaelic even though my grandfather never spoke anything else...(as I recall but I was only a lad)

I was moved off to London in 1970...Not much of a need for Scots Gaelic there unfortunately.

I definitely agree with you on this issue comrade Lynch...Choose a language that will best suit where you would like to live and work.



AK47-

"Were a bunch of wankers yes [English]"

Finally I agree with you AK47.

[Severian]

Puerto Rico is the largest (in terms of population) colony in the world today.

Greenland, probably, in terms of area. (It&#39;s a Danish colony.)

There&#39;s a number of French colonies in the Pacific not mentioned so far, like New Caledonia, where there&#39;s a very strong independence movement, and French Polynesia (including Tahiti).

Being "officially" part of the national territory doesn&#39;t necessarily mean that someplace isn&#39;t a colony; may I remind everyone that Algeria was once claimed to be "an integral part of metropolitan France".

There&#39;s one another category of colony that should be mentioned, besides neocolonialism: new direct colonialism. A number of formerly independent states have been taken over and ruled directly by imperialist powers in recent years, due to the instability and weakness of their neocolonial governments.

Bosnia, Kosova, East Timor are occupied and ruled by groups of imperialist powers. Cambodia also? (Anticipating a nitpick: OK, East Timor is not "formerly independent", just rightfully independent.) Afghanistan and Iraq by one.
Liberia may be joining this list.