Ask about Islam

[Trigonometry]

Ask me anything about Islam and I will answer to the best of my abilities
but please serious questions only and try to avoid things like 'you realise it was all made up right?' or 'you do realise islam and socialism is incompatible right?' because I don't need a priest in Marxism telling me what.

For a start:

What is Islam?

Seeing as most are die hard atheists here I will spare the it is surrendering oneself to the one God stuff

Islam is today 3 things, and varying degrees: faith, tradition, institution/law

In terms of faith Islam is:
-Abrahamic religion or in a series if you like with Judaism and Christianity
-Strongly monotheistic, Muslims constantly emphasize there is no God but God
-In reality comprised of two sects Sunni (majority) and Shia (largest minority) with main difference arising initial from "succeeding" the "LAST" prophet Muhammad, with two other groups Sufis a smaller less institutionalised faith based group and Salafis/Wahabbis which are like the ultra orthodox jews of Islam and rank in groups such as Alqaeda

Tradition or Sunnah:
arguably the most important of modern Islam, and is the source of justification to institutionalised Islam. It is based on a collection of "hadiths"
this is basically a collection of supposed things Muhammad had said/done by asking his companions long after his death and the death of the man who succeeded him. Even in the Islamic world the different hadiths are contested and professions are based on interpretation of their reliability. Major things it contribute to Islam:
-create a massive group of Islamic scholars to study things for Muslims although Muhammad is said to say that Muslims must study religion for themselves
"Seeking knowledge is mandatory on a Muslim male and female"
-scholarship has caused further sectarianism in terms of schools of Islamic jurisprudence which the prophet Muhammad was in great opposition this
-it teaches people how to pray, where to clean yourself before you pray, when to pray exactly, what exactly to say when you pray, how to clean after going to the toilet
Interestingly the hadiths themselves attribute to Muhammad saying
"Do not write anything from me except the Qur'an. Whoever wrote, must destroy it"
for fear that his sayings may undermine the authority of the Quran

Institution/law
The strict adherence to traditions has formed an organ of scholars similar to priests and bishops of the church of medieval times, and like wise the position of Islamic scholar is seen as offering social mobility similar to Christian priest hood in the past.

Formation of Islamic identity and movement in response to modern colonialism, as an expression similar to nationalism, bt instead nationalism to a global Islamic state the 'ummah'

Any questions ask away

[PoliticalNightmare]

How can we abolish hierarchy (the state and capitalism) - as is the end goal of most communist ideals - when the people believe that there is a constant, overlooming, unchallengable and unquestionable hierarchy in the form of Allah?

[red cat]

Is a man perfectly honest in his deeds but believing in many or no god condemned to burn in hell ?

This is just one of the many questions I have. I want to ask more.

[Savior]

Acutally i have misguided friends that say islam is not a peaceful religon, i try to explain them otherwise, and tell them that Jesus is one of the prophets in the Quran.

Could you give me some help enlightening them.

[Sosa]

Does the qu'ran speak of women's rights? As in equality of both sexes?

[nuisance]

Acutally i have misguided friends that say islam is not a peaceful religon, i try to explain them otherwise, and tell them that Jesus is one of the prophets in the Quran.

Could you give me some help enlightening them.
I reckon you're the misguided one, not your friends.
Afterall, how could you consider a religion that is riddled with the blood of non-believers and rivial sects, throughout its history and to the modern day, as something peaceful?

[Trigonometry]

How can we abolish hierarchy (the state and capitalism) - as is the end goal of most communist ideals - when the people believe that there is a constant, overlooming, unchallengable and unquestionable hierarchy in the form of Allah?

I do not fully understand your question but I shall answer to the best of my ability. If you mean hierachy as solely man is not equal in standing to Allah the perfect, then quite frankly I do not believe it is possiible, because man is imperfect and no deeds on our imperfect selves can we ever hope to attain absolute perfection or even tangibly conceive the notion of perfection.

However if you mean hierachy in the form of removal of exploitation, then belief in God itself is the solution. In Islam all we have is given by God, and limitless is his bounty, there is nothing that he could 'exploit' us for but there is everything for him to give us.

I hope I've answered your question


Is a man perfectly honest in his deeds but believing in many or no god condemned to burn in hell ?

This is just one of the many questions I have. I want to ask more.

No one is perfect, perfection is an attribute of Allah only in Islam even Muhammad, Jesus etc are not perfect.
no man knows for sure, even if you asked the question to the prophet Muhammad he could not give you a definite answer as only Allah/God is judge of that on judgement day,
however if you ask an Islamic scholar, depending on his sect/school he may have different positions with the most radical insisting that unless you are Muslim you are pretty much doomed
However with the Quran itself:

Qur'an 5:69
Those who believe (in the Qur’an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

Qur'an 21:94
Whoever works any act of righteousness and has faith,- His endeavour will not be rejected: We shall record it in his favour.

[bailey_187]

Acutally i have misguided friends that say islam is not a peaceful religon, i try to explain them otherwise, and tell them that Jesus is one of the prophets in the Quran.

Could you give me some help enlightening them.

how progressive of u

[Sosa]

Does the qu'ran speak of women's rights? As in equality of both sexes?

And also, will atheist go to your heaven if such a thing exists?

[red cat]

No one is perfect, perfection is an attribute of Allah only in Islam even Muhammad, Jesus etc are not perfect.
no man knows for sure, even if you asked the question to the prophet Muhammad he could not give you a definite answer as only Allah/God is judge of that on judgement day,
however if you ask an Islamic scholar, depending on his sect/school he may have different positions with the most radical insisting that unless you are Muslim you are pretty much doomed
However with the Quran itself:

Qur'an 5:69
Those who believe (in the Qur’an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

Qur'an 21:94
Whoever works any act of righteousness and has faith,- His endeavour will not be rejected: We shall record it in his favour.

What happens to someone who is atheist or belongs to some faith other than the Abrahamic ones ? Is it very fair to throw him into hellfire ?

[Trigonometry]

Acutally i have misguided friends that say islam is not a peaceful religon, i try to explain them otherwise, and tell them that Jesus is one of the prophets in the Quran.

Could you give me some help enlightening them.
Allah grants us free will friend, if he hadn't desired we have free will we would all be Muslim. I must remind although it is easy to be influenced by Christian missionary workers, Muslims are forbidden to proselytise. You should only inform them of Islamic beliefs and should they refuse to accept it, it is their choice and it is not of you to decide for them
"There is no compulsion in religion" 2:256
you must not repeatedly approach them regarding Islam in the same manner as Jehovahs witnesses, or there be fault on your part in both a secular and Islamic fashion.


Does the qu'ran speak of women's rights? As in equality of both sexes?
Qur'an does not address in great detail regarding differentiation between men/woman, much of Islamic attitude toward women is based on the Hadiths, which I am personally not too much in agreeance to and so poor acquainted with, and also biblical traditions

However men/women whites/blacks have same responsibilities and same rights in face of God
And their Lord has accepted (their prayers) and answered them(saying): 'Never will I cause to be lost the work of any of
you, be he male or female; you are members, one of another...
(3:195; cf 9:71;33:35-36;66:19-21).
This is one aspect of Islam that caused persecution of Mohammad in Mecca, as woman in the Meccan society were alike cattle and required constant guardianship of men for fear that they would be abducted in the anarchic environment like stolen sheep
Mohammad also proclaims at the same time that slaves were also equal in rights, which contributed to open persecution of Muslims who threatened the interests of the local chieftains who needed slaves for their trade.
Women were also given rights of ownership ie. their men didnt own their property, and manage it, they did
(2:178;4:45, 92-93)
There is also penalties for infringing on rights of women

There is other things also however the Quran does not say men = women, only that they are equal in responsibility and rights, however it does not unequivocally state that men and women are the same.


Afterall, how could you consider a religion that is riddled with the blood of non-believers and rivial sects, throughout its history and to the modern day, as something peaceful?
No man should be accounted for someone elses faults, unless I am mistaken this is something that is agreed upon by Muslims, Communists, and Capitalists. Surely you would not hold me to account if my brother stole your car in a classless society?

[The Count]

The Qu'ran states explicitly that "disbelievers" will be sent to Hell. You can't say that there's disagreement among "Islamic scholars", because it states the answer outright in the Qu'ran. The verses that you referred to (5:69, 21:94) apply only to believers of the Abrahamic religions.


ALLAH has, surely, cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a blazing fire, (64) (http://www.dnzh.com/theholyquran.cgi?soura=033#64) Wherein they will abide forever. They will find therein no friend, nor helper. (65) (http://www.dnzh.com/theholyquran.cgi?soura=033#65) On the day when their faces are turned over into the fire they will say, `O, would that we had obeyed ALLAH and obeyed the Messenger !' (66) (http://www.dnzh.com/theholyquran.cgi?soura=033#66) And they will say, `Our Lord, we obeyed our chiefs and our great ones and they led us astray from the way, (67) (http://www.dnzh.com/theholyquran.cgi?soura=033#67) `Our Lord, give them double punishment and curse them with a mighty curse.' (68) (http://www.dnzh.com/theholyquran.cgi?soura=033#68)

Source: http://www.dnzh.com/theholyqurantranslation.cgi?soura=033

How can I take you seriously if you believe that Karl Marx is currently burning in an eternal fire right now?

[PoliticalNightmare]

I do not fully understand your question but I shall answer to the best of my ability. If you mean hierachy as solely man is not equal in standing to Allah the perfect, then quite frankly I do not believe it is possiible, because man is imperfect and no deeds on our imperfect selves can we ever hope to attain absolute perfection or even tangibly conceive the notion of perfection.

However if you mean hierachy in the form of removal of exploitation, then belief in God itself is the solution. In Islam all we have is given by God, and limitless is his bounty, there is nothing that he could 'exploit' us for but there is everything for him to give us.

I hope I've answered your question

No, I mean that blind faith in authority (the State, the Church, Capitalism, etc.) is a reactionary ideal: one that has disillusioned the working class from trying to overthrow the current capitalist and political infrastructure due to belief the authority/hierarchy is necessary. As long as this mindset is maintained, there will be no communism because the working class will see the need for authority in our everyday lives. (You will have to excuse me as I am an anarchist but I know that the end goal of all/most communist doctrines is a stateless classless society).

What I am asking, then, is how do you suppose we are to bring about a revolutionary mindset (i.e. oppose all hierarchy) in the people but at the same time ask them to bow down as inferiors to universally all-powerful, relentless and unquestionable authority (God/Allah)? Surely, the logical conclusion of rejecting all forms of authority would be to reject religious-endorsed forms of authority as well?

Also, if authority on earth is the prime cause of chaos and destruction then what is to say that the ultimate universal form of authority is not the prime cause of all chaos and destruction in the universe?

[Trigonometry]

And also, will atheist go to your heaven is such a thing exists?

What happens to someone who is atheist or belongs to some faith other than the Abrahamic ones ? Is it very fair to throw him into hellfire ?

there are different types of atheists, most atheists of mohammad's time wanted to kill him and all his followers due to their thoughts of mohammad's 'irresponsible' and 'rebellious' challenge to their authority and wealth.
however mohammad failed to reconcile with the meccan chieftains forcing him to escape with his followers to medina where they were hunted down by a large force, which was luckily fended off, and much of the tribesmen joining Mohammad, much of Mohammad's dealings with atheists were with swords however it is made clear in the Quran that disbelievers who had peace with muslims were to be treated with friendship. There is a Quran verse on this I can flip out if you want. However with regards to their ultimate outcome, no one but God knows if God desired Satan could be forgiven and go to heaven.

Fair? I don't know, secular standards of morality change every day, we think one thing today and the opposite tomorrow, some are more cynical than others, often apply double standards on different issues. Our sense of morality is not only subjective but imperfect, some times we must question whether our own sense of fairness bred in an everyman for himself environment is truly fair.

[red cat]

there are different types of atheists, most atheists of mohammad's time wanted to kill him and all his followers due to their thoughts of mohammad's 'irresponsible' and 'rebellious' challenge to their authority and wealth.
however mohammad failed to reconcile with the meccan chieftains forcing him to escape with his followers to medina where they were hunted down by a large force, which was luckily fended off, and much of the tribesmen joining Mohammad, much of Mohammad's dealings with atheists were with swords however it is made clear in the Quran that disbelievers who had peace with muslims were to be treated with friendship. There is a Quran verse on this I can flip out if you want. However with regards to their ultimate outcome, no one but God knows if God desired Satan could be forgiven and go to heaven.

Fair? I don't know, secular standards of morality change every day, we think one thing today and the opposite tomorrow, some are more cynical than others, often apply double standards on different issues. Our sense of morality is not only subjective but imperfect, some times we must question whether our own sense of fairness bred in an everyman for himself environment is truly fair.

I want to see this verse from the Quran. But as The Count stated, what about this :


Originally Posted by Surrah 33:64-68
ALLAH has, surely, cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a blazing fire, (64) (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.dnzh.com/theholyquran.cgi?soura=033#64) Wherein they will abide forever. They will find therein no friend, nor helper. (65) (http://www.dnzh.com/theholyquran.cgi?soura=033#65) On the day when their faces are turned over into the fire they will say, `O, would that we had obeyed ALLAH and obeyed the Messenger !' (66) (http://www.dnzh.com/theholyquran.cgi?soura=033#66) And they will say, `Our Lord, we obeyed our chiefs and our great ones and they led us astray from the way, (67) (http://www.dnzh.com/theholyquran.cgi?soura=033#67) `Our Lord, give them double punishment and curse them with a mighty curse.' (68) (http://www.dnzh.com/theholyquran.cgi?soura=033#68)

Also, if God is all powerful then why is there so much evil on the earth ? Why doesn't he stop all this ?

[Sosa]

So morality, in Islam, I assume comes from your god. Is it moral because it comes from Allah or is morality independent of Allah?

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Red beards, whats that about?

[Trigonometry]

The Qu'ran states explicitly that "disbelievers" will be sent to Hell. You can't say that there's disagreement among "Islamic scholars", because it states the answer outright in the Qu'ran. The verses that you referred to (5:69, 21:94) apply only to believers of the Abrahamic religions.
Source: http://www.dnzh.com/theholyqurantranslation.cgi?soura=033

How can I take you seriously if you believe that Karl Marx is currently burning in an eternal fire right now?

You don't have to, its just a thread so people can ask questions if they are curious.

with regard to the verse disbelievers here are the Meccans that were at war with Mohammad there.


What I am asking, then, is how do you suppose we are to bring about a revolutionary mindset (i.e. oppose all hierarchy) in the people but at the same time ask them to bow down as inferiors to universally all-powerful, relentless and unquestionable authority (God/Allah)? Surely, the logical conclusion of rejecting all forms of authority would be to reject religious-endorsed forms of authority as well?

Also, if authority on earth is the prime cause of chaos and destruction then what is to say that the ultimate universal form of authority is not the prime cause of all chaos and destruction in the universe?

In short, abolish the traditions that are both of arguable Islamic and undoubtedly means of exploitation. I should not have a bunch of scholars telling me I am a disbeliever because I don't wipe my ass the same way as they tell me, further more if Mohammad was the last prophet, no man would have religious authority over others as no man has religious superiority.

remove the hadiths/traditions that were adopted long after the passing of mohammad and let people not govern religious theocracies in the name of Mohammad 1500 years after his death.

[nuisance]

No man should be accounted for someone elses faults, unless I am mistaken this is something that is agreed upon by Muslims, Communists, and Capitalists. Surely you would not hold me to account if my brother stole your car in a classless society?
This avoids the point. I was not asserting that Muslims are not peaceful, indeed there are both peaceful and non-peaceful Muslims. The point is that Islam, the religion, is not one of peace. The fact that Muhammad organised 65 military campaigns to spread Islam, in the last ten years of his life, and personally led 27 of them, is testament to this.
It is not a point of tarring everyone with the same brush, its that the set of ideas that is Islam have led people, Muslims, to violence. Hence Islam is not peaceful.

[Savior]

You don't have to, its just a thread so people can ask questions if they are curious.

with regard to the verse disbelievers here are the Meccans that were at war with Mohammad there.



In short, abolish the traditions that are both of arguable Islamic and undoubtedly means of exploitation. I should not have a bunch of scholars telling me I am a disbeliever because I don't wipe my ass the same way as they tell me, further more if Mohammad was the last prophet, no man would have religious authority over others as no man has religious superiority.

remove the hadiths/traditions that were adopted long after the passing of mohammad and let people not govern religious theocracies in the name of Mohammad 1500 years after his death.
Would you mind telling me more about Jesus and Islam?

This avoids the point. I was not asserting that Muslims are not peaceful, indeed there are both peaceful and non-peaceful Muslims. The point is that Islam, the religion, is not one of peace. The fact that Muhammad organised 65 military campaigns to spread Islam, in the last ten years of his life, and personally led 27 of them, is testament to this.
It is not a point of tarring everyone with the same brush, its that the set of ideas that is Islam have led people, Muslims, to violence. Hence Islam is not peaceful.
Neither is Christianity in that rule, the crusades come to mind. That was because people take ideas and twist them for there own needs.

Allah grants us free will friend, if he hadn't desired we have free will we would all be Muslim. I must remind although it is easy to be influenced by Christian missionary workers, Muslims are forbidden to proselytise. You should only inform them of Islamic beliefs and should they refuse to accept it, it is their choice and it is not of you to decide for them
"There is no compulsion in religion" 2:256
you must not repeatedly approach them regarding Islam in the same manner as Jehovahs witnesses, or there be fault on your part in both a secular and Islamic fashion.


Qur'an does not address in great detail regarding differentiation between men/woman, much of Islamic attitude toward women is based on the Hadiths, which I am personally not too much in agreeance to and so poor acquainted with, and also biblical traditions

However men/women whites/blacks have same responsibilities and same rights in face of God
And their Lord has accepted (their prayers) and answered them(saying): 'Never will I cause to be lost the work of any of
you, be he male or female; you are members, one of another...
(3:195; cf 9:71;33:35-36;66:19-21).
This is one aspect of Islam that caused persecution of Mohammad in Mecca, as woman in the Meccan society were alike cattle and required constant guardianship of men for fear that they would be abducted in the anarchic environment like stolen sheep
Mohammad also proclaims at the same time that slaves were also equal in rights, which contributed to open persecution of Muslims who threatened the interests of the local chieftains who needed slaves for their trade.
Women were also given rights of ownership ie. their men didnt own their property, and manage it, they did
(2:178;4:45, 92-93)
There is also penalties for infringing on rights of women

There is other things also however the Quran does not say men = women, only that they are equal in responsibility and rights, however it does not unequivocally state that men and women are the same.


No man should be accounted for someone elses faults, unless I am mistaken this is something that is agreed upon by Muslims, Communists, and Capitalists. Surely you would not hold me to account if my brother stole your car in a classless society?
This is the truth.

how progressive of u
While im agnostic, I cannot handle others advocating genocide (most these people are super christians though)

I reckon you're the misguided one, not your friends.
Afterall, how could you consider a religion that is riddled with the blood of non-believers and rivial sects, throughout its history and to the modern day, as something peaceful?
As is every religon, every idea on earth. Including Communism and Anarchism, Some will twist our ideas to further their own goals.

[gorillafuck]

there are different types of atheists, most atheists of mohammad's time wanted to kill him and all his followers due to their thoughts of mohammad's 'irresponsible' and 'rebellious' challenge to their authority and wealth.
Wasn't Muhammed a merchant?

[Black Sheep]

Can't we move this to Religion or OI? What the hell.

[turquino]

You don't have to, its just a thread so people can ask questions if they are curious.
No, this a thread for you to preach in. You could have answered any questions about the Islamic faith raised in the appropriate thread. I don't think this thread is really about some controversy in Islam, but instead about Trigonometry pushing his beliefs. There is already a forum for religious discussion-in the opposing ideologies section. But I believe this forum bans religious preaching, so if the moderators agree with me then this topic should be purged along with its poster.

[Savior]

No, this a thread for you to preach in. You could have answered any questions about the Islamic faith raised in the appropriate thread. I don't think this thread is really about some controversy in Islam, but instead about Trigonometry pushing his beliefs. There is already a forum for religious discussion-in the opposing ideologies section. But I believe this forum bans religious preaching, so if the moderators agree with me then this topic should be purged along with its poster.

Why the hate. We will never reach our goals if we are so ridden with hate

[freepalestine]

What is Islam?
-In reality comprised of two sects Sunni (majority) and Shia (largest minority) with main difference arising initial from "succeeding" the "LAST" prophet Muhammad, with two other groups Sufis a smaller less institutionalised faith based group and Salafis/Wahabbis which are like the ultra orthodox jews of Islam and rank in groups such as Alqaeda

Tradition or Sunnah:
arguably the most important of modern Islam, and is the source of justification to institutionalised Islam. It is based on a collection of "hadiths"
this is basically a collection of supposed things Muhammad had said/done
do all muslims believe in the sunnah and the hadiths?
what is a salafi?
what is wahabi?are they sunni muslim?

[Trigonometry]

This avoids the point. I was not asserting that Muslims are not peaceful, indeed there are both peaceful and non-peaceful Muslims. The point is that Islam, the religion, is not one of peace. The fact that Muhammad organised 65 military campaigns to spread Islam, in the last ten years of his life, and personally led 27 of them, is testament to this.
It is not a point of tarring everyone with the same brush, its that the set of ideas that is Islam have led people, Muslims, to violence. Hence Islam is not peaceful.

Oh okay that's what you are saying, it seems to me you already have preconceived views on that subject rather in fact any curiosity, there is little point on me discussing it further. But your reasoning of Muhammad's campaign is much like a capitalist saying Communism is an undemocratic ideology and one that is of war as every prominent communist group ever have been highly militant and every established government undemocratic and corrupt.


Red beards, whats that about?
I don't understand what you mean by red beards?


So morality, in Islam, I assume comes from your god. Is it moral because it comes from Allah or is morality independent of Allah?
Morality is not independent of Allah, our morality changes, however theirs is constant.


I want to see this verse from the Quran. But as The Count stated, what about this :

Also, if God is all powerful then why is there so much evil on the earth ? Why doesn't he stop all this ?
With regards to the quotation the disbelievers were at war with the Muslims however there are other relevant quotations. I will make a longer post regarding this as several questions have been made on the same line.


Wasn't Muhammed a merchant?
He was, Muhammad was also a poet (a high position in pre-Islamic Arabia alike lawyers of our societies), prior to his prophethood.


No, this a thread for you to preach in. You could have answered any questions about the Islamic faith raised in the appropriate thread. I don't think this thread is really about some controversy in Islam, but instead about Trigonometry pushing his beliefs. There is already a forum for religious discussion-in the opposing ideologies section. But I believe this forum bans religious preaching, so if the moderators agree with me then this topic should be purged along with its poster.
Alright if that's how you feel, report this to a moderator.


do all muslims believe in the sunnah and the hadiths?
what is a salafi?
what is wahabi?are they sunni muslim?
To varying degrees of adherence- however there are also some that question the legitimacy and the role of Sunnah and Hadiths which have in practice replaced the Qur'an yet are not considered divine relevation, arguing it undermines the authority of the Quran as the sole source of guidance in faith. This minority view is greatly opposed by Islamic scholars and authorities.
Salafi and Wahabi are minority sects of the Sunni Muslim who are in short and simple the ultra conservative and often political Muslims prominent in the Gulf area particularly Saudi Arabia that have formed in opposition to increased Western influence in the last century. They've grown greatly in recent years.
Both are commonly associated with Islamist movement, militants, and destruction of non-Muslim historical sites

[Coggeh]

Look. Please please stop trying to do with socialism and Islam as what scientists are doing with electro-magnetism,S-Nuclear force, W-Nuclear force and Gravity. It does not work out.

Don't drag it into details as most people on this site have couldn't care less what it says in the Quran, you can do the same with the Christian bible, "oh jesus, loved the poor, rich can't get into heaven he said!" etc etc. That doesn't make them revolutionary in any means, it does not make them compatable as their is hundreds and hundreds of verses in either religious texts that are downright counter revolutionary.

Now you'll say ya but they were from a different time, and Marxists understand that, they were different sociological and economic views during different social epochs. That is one of the key pillars of Marxism to recognize that (no pun intended)

[Spawn of Stalin]

Why is my homosexual comrade damned to Hell while you get to spend eternity in paradise?

[Trigonometry]

Look. Please please stop trying to do with socialism and Islam as what scientists are doing with electro-magnetism,S-Nuclear force, W-Nuclear force and Gravity. It does not work out.

Don't drag it into details as most people on this site have couldn't care less what it says in the Quran, you can do the same with the Christian bible, "oh jesus, loved the poor, rich can't get into heaven he said!" etc etc. That doesn't make them revolutionary in any means, it does not make them compatable as their is hundreds and hundreds of verses in either religious texts that are downright counter revolutionary.

Now you'll say ya but they were from a different time, and Marxists understand that, they were different sociological and economic views during different social epochs. That is one of the key pillars of Marxism to recognize that (no pun intended)

I am not trying by any means say Muhammad was a Marxist, because he isnt. For one thing the means of the production of the time could not allow for communism.
Counter revolutionary? what is revolutionary? This is what bugs me, people seem to try to fit a socialist orthodoxy here, like organised religion. The fact that so many here advance the exact same view to advancement of socialism that led to the Soviet Union and the PRC is ridiculous. If it didn't work the first time the same things not going to work a second time round.

Why do people religiously follow already proved and failed methods? What does it take for people to realise that socialism is still grossly underdeveloped. What happened to the intellectual discussion and development of socialism that was so prominent amongst the education of the 19th century? Why is it almost every social I see these days are just highschool kids with burning anti establishment views behaving like red guards? Are we really a just a group of rebellious teenagers going through a phase? I can't help but think so every time I see people here judging things by some sort of revolutionary black and white then justifying it revolutionary slogan like theres no room for any discussion and only adherence.

[Trigonometry]

I will not answer any more questions as this was clearly a poorly thought out idea that is provoke prejudices amongst many members, I will save myself time and effort and spare you any antagonism.

[Spawn of Stalin]

It's funny you should say that because many people have tried to discuss God and found that if they don't adhere, they don't fit into the "big plan". At least with Communism you don't have to serve some holy dictator. Think about that, and also, think about what you are saying, most of us here respect people of all religions, but you asked us to submit our questions and that is what they did, what kind of thing were you expecting asked by a bunch of red militant atheists? "Does God talk about me?" "Am I going to heaven?" Sorry to disappoint.

[MarxSchmarx]

Can't we move this to Religion or OI? What the hell.

Yup. I agree. Also since the OP is done answering questions I'm closing this thread.