North Korea

[Comrade Ceausescu]

What'd you think of North Korea and its leader.do u think they have real communism there or is it just facism with a red star over it?opinoins??on all of this...

[Jesus Christ]

i think its just a mess
its a dictatorship
the people are starving

[pedro san pedro]

i agree, its an utter mess, the poor are very poor.
i do feel also though, that they are surroned by hostiles (particually the usa), which cant be helping.
most koreans want unification, which will never happen will the states remains in the area

[Jesus Christ]

it shouldnt happen because if north korea takes control then south korea will follow that same path and then you have millions more starving

[blackemma]

North Korea needs a legitimate democratic revolution, in my opinion. Harsh Stalinist rule for such a long time under imposed isolation does not the most prosperous nation make. Of course, I'm waiting for someone to tell me North Korea is a communist paradise...

[EneME]

I seriously don't know what to think about North Korea. I've seen a documentary of some English guys who went their and everything seemed so prosporous, the capital was hustling and bustling and in the rural areas they showed good crops and plenty of food. They also showed orphenages (i can't spell lol) that were really nice and kept up, even a nice museum with the captured USA gun boat....but then on the news they show an empty capital and starving ppl...shit I dont know whats real....

[Comrade Ceausescu]

i would go with the documentary.it wasnt made by communists it sounds like.u know the news over hypes everything.

[Fidelbrand]

1) Tyranny.
2) People starving like hell.
3) But has the money for nuclear research programmes..
4) Triples (babies born in a triplet) are all made insane in closed hositals. It is becos Kim believes that triplets are a threat to him as they might be too intelligent.. (so dum~~~~~ )

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 08:45 AM
i would go with the documentary.it wasnt made by communists it sounds like.u know the news over hypes everything.
Well I hate to say this but you hardly have a reasonable perspective, as a Marxist Leninist everything you say and thing is inanly bias. But dont listen to me because for the complete oppersit reason my views are inanly bias.

:D

[schumi]

It is a dictator ship but it also is poor because of the hostile attitude against it.


North Korea needs a legitimate democratic revolution
That is my idea 2. The Korean people need to start a revolution that allows them to choose their own leader and their own believs. That is the only way for them to escape from tyranny and poverty that is caused by kim il jung ( or what ever that guys name is).

I am a supporter of Communism but not a supporter of Dictatorship like the one acted out in Korea. It is people like Kim Il jung that give Communisme and Communist countries a bad name!

[Invader Zim]

I may have got the wrong dicatorship here, but it simply cant be socialist because its leadership is a dynasty... or is it vietnam i'm thinking of?

[LoBBy]

well, i think n-korea is bullshit... the government doesn'T CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE....


they r thinking like capitalists, i would say..... :angry: just of themselfes

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 01:09 PM
well, i think n-korea is bullshit... the government doesn'T CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE....


they r thinking like capitalists, i would say..... :angry: just of themselfes
well that sounds a fair description to me... welcome to che-lives.

AK47

[Deniz Gezmis]

http://north-korea.narod.ru/pyongyang_lankov.htm

That sums it up.

[kingbee]

basically, korea is a typical stalinist state, and therefore is not proper socialist- but i do believe that
a) some stories are propoganda (i.e. above talking about the triplet story)- i know a lot of bad things happen in korea, but i do think the more outraegous ones are untrue
b) ok- thousands/ millions (exggeration?) are starving, but weve got to remember- this is a 3rd world state, and famine and other shortages happen in those countries- we cannot always blame leadership.

[Xvall]

I disagree with North Korea's domestic policies, however I acknowledge that much of their state is attributed to 'bad media' from the west, and from pressure from many capitalistic nations. (Uncle George claiming the country was 'Evil' didn't help either.)

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 03:14 PM
basically, korea is a typical stalinist state, and therefore is not proper socialist- but i do believe that
a) some stories are propoganda (i.e. above talking about the triplet story)- i know a lot of bad things happen in korea, but i do think the more outraegous ones are untrue
b) ok- thousands/ millions (exggeration?) are starving, but weve got to remember- this is a 3rd world state, and famine and other shortages happen in those countries- we cannot always blame leadership.
i hope what u think about the "triplet story" is untrue too ( no one wants these kinda barbaric shit to happen).. but it is supported by concrete truths of north Korean ex-cadres who fled to South Korea.

All these are issued in the 4th - 6th July , 2002 of "Han Guk Il Bo " (Korean daily). Please check it out if you have time.
Actually, last year, there was much discussion about this issue between North Korea, South Korea and the U.S. 's humanitarian groups. Newspapers in Singapore had coverage on this issue covered as well. S.Korean reporters camouflaged to approach the hospital------------- but was rejected 5 miles (5 miles in diameter from the alleged "insane hospital" )from it.

Also, to reply ur point b..

Yes, 3rd world country.. but resources mis-used for nuclear reserach programmes.. isn't that a problem. Allocation of resources & emphasis------ Does the leader have the power to decide or to intervene? isn't that about leadership? .....

[Deniz Gezmis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 05:08 PM
Yes, 3rd world country.. but resources mis-used for nuclear reserach programmes.. isn't that a problem. Allocation of resources & emphasis------ Does the leader have the power to decide or to intervene? isn't that about leadership? .....
The political elite can also afford to drive mercedes. On the subway system, There are softseats, Reserved for the elite.

Also, Many tourists have had their camera smashed. Any Korean in their right mind, Would not talk to tourists, We all know why. :rolleyes:

[elijahcraig]

Where's Chairman Mao? He can clear all of this up. I support the DPRK 100%.

[Deniz Gezmis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 07:09 PM
Where's Chairman Mao? He can clear all of this up. I support the DPRK 100%.
You should take a look at the url i posted. :rolleyes:

[elijahcraig]

Yeah, I already had.

[Saint-Just]

I did see this thread of course. A few months ago I thought I couldn't be bothered to have this discussion every week with different people each time. I reluctantly carried on debating it, fruitfully on occasion; many people have turned from being totally anti-DPRK to having a more reasonable and supportive attitude towards North Korea.

Looking at the whole thread there are some good comments.

[Saint-Just]

You should take a look at the url i posted.

I have read that source before. I re-read the majority of it and I agree with 99% of what it says. Although it is not a positive look, it is a critical look and most of what it addresses is concerned with not all of the issues of the DPRK. Neither does it do much to explain its findings. Shockingly it mentions very little of the world of work in the DPRK, obviously this is a rather important facet of everyday life. It certainly struck me as being a bias view; the student didn't like the DPRK. Nevertheless he did lot create lies.

[kingbee]

Originally posted by Fidelbrand+Aug 22 2003, 05:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fidelbrand @ Aug 22 2003, 05:08 PM)
[email protected] 22 2003, 03:14 PM
basically, korea is a typical stalinist state, and therefore is not proper socialist- but i do believe that
a) some stories are propoganda (i.e. above talking about the triplet story)- i know a lot of bad things happen in korea, but i do think the more outraegous ones are untrue
b) ok- thousands/ millions (exggeration?) are starving, but weve got to remember- this is a 3rd world state, and famine and other shortages happen in those countries- we cannot always blame leadership.
i hope what u think about the "triplet story" is untrue too ( no one wants these kinda barbaric shit to happen).. but it is supported by concrete truths of north Korean ex-cadres who fled to South Korea.

All these are issued in the 4th - 6th July , 2002 of "Han Guk Il Bo " (Korean daily). Please check it out if you have time.
Actually, last year, there was much discussion about this issue between North Korea, South Korea and the U.S. &#39;s humanitarian groups. Newspapers in Singapore had coverage on this issue covered as well. S.Korean reporters camouflaged to approach the hospital------------- but was rejected 5 miles (5 miles in diameter from the alleged "insane hospital" )from it.

Also, to reply ur point b..

Yes, 3rd world country.. but resources mis-used for nuclear reserach programmes.. isn&#39;t that a problem. Allocation of resources & emphasis------ Does the leader have the power to decide or to intervene? isn&#39;t that about leadership? ..... [/b]
i suppose.... but what im trying to say (and not trying to support n korea 100%) is that not everything is always 100% good/evil.

[kingbee]

Originally posted by Fidelbrand+Aug 22 2003, 05:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fidelbrand @ Aug 22 2003, 05:08 PM)
[email protected] 22 2003, 03:14 PM
basically, korea is a typical stalinist state, and therefore is not proper socialist- but i do believe that
a) some stories are propoganda (i.e. above talking about the triplet story)- i know a lot of bad things happen in korea, but i do think the more outraegous ones are untrue
b) ok- thousands/ millions (exggeration?) are starving, but weve got to remember- this is a 3rd world state, and famine and other shortages happen in those countries- we cannot always blame leadership.
i hope what u think about the "triplet story" is untrue too ( no one wants these kinda barbaric shit to happen).. but it is supported by concrete truths of north Korean ex-cadres who fled to South Korea.

All these are issued in the 4th - 6th July , 2002 of "Han Guk Il Bo " (Korean daily). Please check it out if you have time.
Actually, last year, there was much discussion about this issue between North Korea, South Korea and the U.S. &#39;s humanitarian groups. Newspapers in Singapore had coverage on this issue covered as well. S.Korean reporters camouflaged to approach the hospital------------- but was rejected 5 miles (5 miles in diameter from the alleged "insane hospital" )from it.

Also, to reply ur point b..

Yes, 3rd world country.. but resources mis-used for nuclear reserach programmes.. isn&#39;t that a problem. Allocation of resources & emphasis------ Does the leader have the power to decide or to intervene? isn&#39;t that about leadership? ..... [/b]
i suppose.... but what im trying to say (and not trying to support n korea 100%) is that not everything is always 100% good/evil.

[(*]

I doubt any revolution would succeed.

It&#39;s a closed society and the people are heavily brainwashed...I mean, titles like "The great leader" and "The dear leader" kind of gives off the impression that they are great and dear. And after a so many decades, i&#39;m sure the citizens of North Korea actually believe that.

Communist? No&#33;

Kim Jong Il is a dictator, and since he is the successor of his father (Kim Il Sung), it can also be considered a type of monarchy.