Nazi Scientology?

[Amphictyonis]

AVl4vmVLX7w So essentially Hitler was looking for the energy or 'force' that runs through everything and only pure Aryans could maser it. Dietrich Eckart (Hitlers mentor) founded the Vril society and subsequently formed the Nazi parties beliefs. (this puts a whole new spin on the Star Wars saga) Question is, is this true or false? k_ww8FNSqMw

[minarchist]

I've probably devoted the vast majority of my history studies to studying WWII, and Hitler/Nazism. Ever since I was a child I've struggled to understand how people can follow someone like Hitler to the brink of total destruction (and not realize he's an wanna-be-god idiot?).

In fact, I've done so much research on Hitler that people have actually been "concerned" that I might actually begin to fancy Nazism. :laugh: Sigh... but they're people who don't study anything and can't even imagine wanting to learn/read something outside of being forced to in school, so oh well. I think the fact that I not only coexist with other "races" peacefully but embrace them (someone of a different skin color lives in my home while off from school, which is sooo Nazi, right? :rolleyes:) and that I'm radically anti-authoritarian is enough. Anyway, I just wanted to give a "for the record" speech before I starting spouting off Hitler-facts and trivia, LOL.

But yes, Hitler was very into the occult. AFAIK, never so much publicly as most Germans were devout Christians. A mountain of evidence supports this. Even down to little odd details of his life. For instance, he assumed the nickname of "Der Wolf", and often named things after it. He had at least one dog he called "Wolf". His "Wolfschanze" command-HQ on the Eastern Front... I believe the story goes when he first went to the location he saw (3-4?) wolves there, and he considered it to be a great "omen" which represented good luck and/or victory against the Soviets (guess those wolves were right, lol).

The SS was extremely into the twisted Nazi-occult. Himmler even sent Nazi archaeologists on wild goose chases all over the world to find things like remnants of the "master race's" origins (like Atlantis lol), the "holy grail" (which you know, a good Aryan warrior with a Hakenkreuz (swastika) on his shield buried somewhere, of course, lol)... lot's of stupid stuff. They even went into Tibet and were measuring people's skulls and figures to see if the "master race" had knocked up any Tibetan women eons ago. :rolleyes:

Nearly all of the Nazi symbolism is based on real, Germanic occult or Nordic religion, which was, of course, warped into the Nazis fantasy version. The swastika itself was an ancient rune used by some Germanic peoples. In Germanic cultures, many runes held magical/mystical meanings or power. And it a rune was turned upside-down or tilted to the side, it was believed it could unleash different types of mystical (sometimes dark/dangerous) powers and forces the user could harness to work in their favor. That's why the Hakenkreuz (swastika) is tilted sideways on all Nazi flags. If you look at the meanings behind the sig runes (the little SS "lightning bolts") and everything else, you'll see it's all rooted in the occult too.

About this particular idea about "the Nazi force", I dunno. I can't remember hearing about it, but it sounds VERY plausible. But I'm not sure Star War's "the force" was mimicking this...I doubt it. Because even the good guys used "the force", and didn't belong to the little elitist group of bad guys. All sorts of Star Wars characters can use it. But I guess you could argue that was a statement in itself. Not sure...

I could do some research on this though if you want to know more about it.

[Robert]

Himmler even sent Nazi archaeologists on wild goose chases all over the world to find things like remnants of the "master race's" origins (like Atlantis lol), the "holy grail" (which you know, a good Aryan warrior with a Hakenkreuz (swastika) on his shield buried somewhere, of course, lol)... lot's of stupid stuff.You know then that Hitler was embarrassed by Himmler's goose chases, right?

Albert Speer reports Hitler as saying of Himmler: "What nonsense! Here we have a last reached an age that has left all mysticism behind it, and now [Himmler] wants to start all over again. We might just as well have stayed with the church ... To think that I may some day be turned into an SS saint! I would turn over in my grave..."[Speer]


I suspect Hitler was embarrassed by Goering too, big fat tub of lard, with his rouge, silk gowns, drug addiction, lavish lifestyle.


I always thought it odd that Hitler could not, or for some reason would not, reign them both in. I guess he was a little afraid of them.

[minarchist]

You're right. But people like Himmler and Goering shaped Nazism...and I mean the popular version of Nazism which the public embraced. It's interesting to read some of the stories they wrote for children and the propaganda pamphlets they passed out. Some of them are REALLY far out into the occult.

It wasn't that Hitler was at all "afraid" of them or anyone... I don't think he was afraid of anything really, except in the end being defeated by the "Slavic Hoards" as he called them...and only in the latter doomsdays of the war. No, people like Goering were dear friends who had been there with him in his early struggle. Ever heard of Emil Maurice? He was discovered to have Jewish ancestry yet Hitler retained him and allowed him to stay in the SS (which Himmler didn't like too much). He was loyal to these people for their service to him and the early struggle of Nazionalsozialismus (National Socialism).

But Hitler himself was definitely superstitious and had beliefs in the occult. When one of my personal heroes, Klauss von Stauffenberg, failed to kill Hitler in "Operation Valkyrie", Hitler said he was protected by "divine providence" (something he claimed was protecting him in most of his close brushes with death). If you read his later memos about fighting in the First World War, he also attributes many things to his "destiny" and the "divine providence" he believed protected him. In the early years of his struggle for power, he often visited with people who were alleged occult "seers" and mystics.