israel and palestine- from an israeli point of view

[humanity-NOW]

Hi,

before i will begin writing my opinion i just want to make one think clear- i'm not here to defend one side and totally ignore the other- i will try and make comments about both sides for better and worse.


Is there a right and wrong?

can any side really be right? can you justify killing? can you justify casualties?
NO- you CAN'T- violence is always the worse solution and really solves nothing,
hamas shoots rockets, israel strikes back, israel kills an hamas leader, hamas fight back- it's a never ending loop that has been going on for decades with no solution and no real negotiation, but all i am saying is- there is no right and wrong- if you kill.


is there really a fair negotiation?

The Gilad Shalit case-- Gilad Shalit is an israeli solider who was captured by hamas for over 4 years now, the red cross can not visit him, israel knows nothing about his situation, hamas are not under Geneva's Treaty so really- they are not obligated to take care of him, for all we know? he can be dead and israel will be negotiating for a body.

Palestine and Israel- wow! they should really take a course called: negotiating 1-0-1 and learn a thing or two, cause really this is no way to negotiate.

pre-demands- Palestine should drop all of their pre-demands cause really, we are supposed to actually negotiate (give&take) for things, not just hand them out to you as peace offers (really what are they? greek gods?).

open mind- both sides should be open minded and listen, right about now they are acting like children: "I WANT THIS!" "NO!" WA WA WA WA- and boom, another meeting goes down the drain.


fanatics and religion

This is one thing that both sides are infected with...... those bloddy fanatics- you know those assholes who ruin every chance of real peace with riots and say: our god promised us! NO NO NO OUR god promised us! bla bla bla.

both sided should say: FUCK YOUR GOD AND FUCK YOUR GOD! (no offence folks), we are human beings and we should not be affected by religion or some fanatics- religion is one thing that tears them apart, instead of seeing people as: human beings, they look at them as: Jews Or Muslims Or Christians and as heretics of their religion so therefore they must die! this is one thing that we need to prevent- religion and and fanatics will not be a part of the
negotiation.............

Well, this are just some of my opinion (as an israel) about the situation.

I hope that no one was offended by some of my words, and if so: i apologize.

feel free to ask anything (no swearing) and as a resident of the middle east- i will try to answer.

lets have a nice discussion.

[red cat]

How many Israelis and native Palestinians have been killed in the conflict ? What motivates Israel to establish itself and annex almost all of Palestine ?

[Burn A Flag]

Well, state on state violence is bad, but revolutionary violence or the threat of it can acheive great things. The problem is the Israel-Palestine conflict is in no way revolutionary on either side. However, Palestine can claim an anti imperialist stance.

[~Spectre]

NO- you CAN'T- violence is always the worse solution and really solves nothing

Not necessarily true.




hamas shoots rockets, israel strikes back, israel kills an hamas leader, hamas fight back- it's a never ending loop that has been going on for decades with no solution and no real negotiation, but all i am saying is- there is no right and wrong- if you kill.You're giving an ignorant and simplistic view of how it works. It's not a loop of violence where both sides whack each other. It's remarkably one sided, with Israel as the clear aggressor. That's not even remotely controversial except in the mind of a zionist.






The Gilad Shalit case-- Gilad Shalit is an israeli solider who was captured by hamas for over 4 years now, the red cross can not visit him, israel knows nothing about his situation, hamas are not under Geneva's Treaty so really- they are not obligated to take care of him, for all we know? he can be dead and israel will be negotiating for a body.
If Israel wants their soldier back, presumably they should release all there political prisoners, no? Again you'll find it's remotely one sided. To bring Shalit as an example of why "negotiations aren't fair", is simply perverse.



pre-demands- Palestine should drop all of their pre-demands cause really, we are supposed to actually negotiate (give&take) for things, not just hand them out to you as peace offers (really what are they? greek gods?).
What in the fuck are you talking about you fucking zionist? What pre-demands? You mean the part where they ask you to stop ethnically cleansing Palestinians?

Be honest with yourself, there is no peace process simply because Israel doesn't want peace, it wants expansion. While this suppose "peace process" has gone on, settlements have grown exponentially, and Israel has killed thousands.

Why no mention of Israel's ridiculous "pre-demands"?





lets have a nice discussion.Let's not. You're a Zionist and don't seem to be even remotely a leftist. You should be restricted if anything. If not for your arguments being so weak, I'd assume you work for Israel's propaganda ministry.

[FreeFocus]

When talking Israel-Palestine there are no "sides." There is no moral equivalence. There is the truth, which just so happens to fall in line with what Palestinians claim as grievances.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

That is one truth.

Another is in Israeli firepower.

[Spawn of Stalin]

can any side really be right? can you justify killing? can you justify casualties?
NO- you CAN'T- violence is always the worse solution and really solves nothing,
hamas shoots rockets, israel strikes back, israel kills an hamas leader, hamas fight back
Those who sit by and watch their land get stolen, their buildings demolished, and their agrigulture burned to a crisp are a lot fucking easier to oppress than those who are defended by a group of people armed to the teeth and ready to fire on anything or anyone who violates their rights. Also, you say Hamas fires rockets, Israel fires back? Now my history isn't that great but I seem to remember is was the Zionists who fired first. If you don't want a war you shouldn't go starting them. And yes I can justify violence, all I need to do is imagine what it would be like to be Palestinian for a day, then I have no problem with the prospect of people dying for a just cause.

[red cat]

As usual, a common line of defense of imperialism is the sandwich argument: both sides are equally bad/non-revolutionary and the masses won't benefit from either one. If you can't openly praise Israel's aggression, then at least try to prove that Palestine is just as bad. If support for both is neutralized, then it is clear who will win in the field, isn't it ?:thumbdown: