A few questions about Anarcho-Collectivism

[The Man]

I want to learn about somethings in Anarcho-Collectivism that I can't quite find on the internet.


Here they are:

1. I've read that producers of goods would be handed to Public Warehouses, held by democratic organization in which people can take according to their need and the producer gets paid through how much they have produced. How does it stop the producers from working and not just going to the Public Warehouse and picking up stuff from there? which means there will be no flow of money...

2. What about workers who don't produce anything, i.e. Lawyers offices, or doctors, how would they get paid?

3. Do Anarcho-Collectivists believe in Re-distribution of wealth?

4. Do they believe in Liberty and Freedom? I.E. Right to bear arms, freedom of religion, press, speech, and basic liberties.

5. How would you achieve security? I.e. A military or protection agency.

6. What would you use as currency?

7. What about private property, such as the one my house is on?



Thanks for answering my noob questions! :thumbup:

Oh and one other non-important question.. What is there flag? and do they use their symbol as the hammer and sickle?

[syndicat]

there isn't really any well-defined economic system called "anarcho-collectivism". that's pretty much a myth.

the idea that everything is supposed to be "free" is one particular interpretation of anarcho-communism.

according to some anarcho-communists, anarcho-collectivism is any system where workers receive remuneration for work. so for example this might be a system of equal consumption entitlement paid by the community, such as equal pay perh hour.for example, a pool of consumption entitlement may be allocated to a worker production organization that produces things the community has requested to have produced.

people who provide medical care do produce something, it is a service. if equal wages are the system, it applies here too.

any libertarian socialist believes in civil liberties, such as religious freedom, freedom of opinion.

the currency form doesn't matter. what matters is that it can't function as capital. that is, people can't buy means of production. these are socially owned and allocated to worker production groups.

in regard to private property, see the thread that talks about this. the place you live isn't productive property, it is a personal possession like your shoes. there is no problem with private ownership of personal possessions or things we use for our own use.

social defense is to be provided by means of a people's militia that is directly accountable to whatever the base directly democratic bodies are, such as worker assemblies.

[The Man]

there isn't really any well-defined economic system called "anarcho-collectivism". that's pretty much a myth.

the idea that everything is supposed to be "free" is one particular interpretation of anarcho-communism.

according to some anarcho-communists, anarcho-collectivism is any system where workers receive remuneration for work. so for example this might be a system of equal consumption entitlement paid by the community, such as equal pay perh hour.for example, a pool of consumption entitlement may be allocated to a worker production organization that produces things the community has requested to have produced.

people who provide medical care do produce something, it is a service. if equal wages are the system, it applies here too.

any libertarian socialist believes in civil liberties, such as religious freedom, freedom of opinion.

the currency form doesn't matter. what matters is that it can't function as capital. that is, people can't buy means of production. these are socially owned and allocated to worker production groups.

in regard to private property, see the thread that talks about this. the place you live isn't productive property, it is a personal possession like your shoes. there is no problem with private ownership of personal possessions or things we use for our own use.

social defense is to be provided by means of a people's militia that is directly accountable to whatever the base directly democratic bodies are, such as worker assemblies.


So, who pays the workers, and where do the people that pay the workers get their money?


Also, do Anarcho-Communists believe that produced goods should go to public warehouses where people can take them freely,and depending on how much time you have put into producing something, the producers will get payed a lower/higher salary by the democratic organization?

How do we make sure the producers keep producing goods and services?

[Magón]

So, who pays the workers, and where do the people that pay the workers get their money?


Also, do Anarcho-Communists believe that produced goods should go to public warehouses where people can take them freely,and depending on how much time you have put into producing something, the producers will get payed a lower/higher salary by the democratic organization?

How do we make sure the producers keep producing goods and services?

You don't have money (in the sense that we do now,) in Anarchism or Communism.

[The Man]

You don't have money (in the sense that we do now,) in Anarchism or Communism.

What about the other two questions?

[Magón]

What about the other two questions?

Well if you read into the Spanish Civil War, in places like Anarchist Catalonia, they used food vouchers to get food and things like that. They didn't have large warehouses as you put it, where people would come and take what they needed, there were still butchers, bakeries, etc. where people could bring their vouchers and get said amount from voucher.

That's pretty much the best idea that anyone's come up with, when it comes to replacing money as we have today, with a newer and less likely to be abused form or "currency".

Paying someone more than another is what brings out hierarchal classes (among other things of course), hence why we have hierarchal classes today where there's poor, middle class, rich. It would be like if I did work, everyone would profit from my work, not just me and my family. The work I did would go to help others, feed others, etc. rather than me just bringing in a paycheck and not caring whatever happens to anyone else.

[The Man]

Well if you read into the Spanish Civil War, in places like Anarchist Catalonia, they used food vouchers to get food and things like that. They didn't have large warehouses as you put it, where people would come and take what they needed, there were still butchers, bakeries, etc. where people could bring their vouchers and get said amount from voucher.

That's pretty much the best idea that anyone's come up with, when it comes to replacing money as we have today, with a newer and less likely to be abused form or "currency".

Paying someone more than another is what brings out hierarchal classes (among other things of course), hence why we have hierarchal classes today where there's poor, middle class, rich. It would be like if I did work, everyone would profit from my work, not just me and my family. The work I did would go to help others, feed others, etc. rather than me just bringing in a paycheck and not caring whatever happens to anyone else.


So just food vouchers would be the only type of currency? What about if you want luxuries, like Televisions, computers, cars, etc?

[syndicat]

So, who pays the workers, and where do the people that pay the workers get their money?

Under a planned economy there is an agreement that is reached about the labor time that the society agrees to remunerate. so let's say there is a national federation and it keeps stock of the agreement on the plan. this includes a certain number of hours of work credit alloted to a worker organization. so presumably this organization would announce the agreement and ratify the amount of labor credits. An economy is an integrated affair throughout the revolutionary territory. so if there's not to be a market economy, the federation of the whole territory will have to have some method of allocating this pool of consumption credit to the worker organization.



Also, do Anarcho-Communists believe that produced goods should go to public warehouses where people can take them freely,and depending on how much time you have put into producing something, the producers will get payed a lower/higher salary by the democratic organization?

your question is self-contradictory. if they have to pay for them (in terms of earned consumption credits) the goods aren't "free". also, what about services?


How do we make sure the producers keep producing goods and services?

If they don't, then they would lose their use rights to the means of production. In any event work is required of the able-bodied and this is how people earn consumption credit for individual consumption goods.

[Magón]

So just food vouchers would be the only type of currency? What about if you want luxuries, like Televisions, computers, cars, etc?

They also had vouchers for clothes, not just food. As for Television, computers, cars, things like that, they could simple just be given away without a voucher or anything as far as I'm concerned. Luxuries like that could simple just be given away as they would in any Gift Economy. (If that's what type you're shooting for here?)

[syndicat]

in Catalonia in the revolution worker collectives paid people in the national currency. they were still operatiing in the context of a market economy. in some villages in Aragon they used script for awhile but that didn't work out too well because when they ordered goods from the factories in Catalonia, the latter wanted the national currency.

the revolultion was never consolidated. they were only able to make partial conquests and were never able to fully carry out their program.

[Magón]

Yeah, I didn't mean it to be like they used vouchers completely, just that they did as another means of currency.