The use of punishment shooting in Belfast/Ireland!

[costello1977]

I read a thread there about a punishment shooting in Belfast recently and I have to say, some of the weak liberal posts on the thread were deeply embarrassing.

For a start, some so called "Leftist" activists criticised the move. I care to point out that these Republican Socialist volunteers were approached by their community as a collective, and asked to deal with these threats to the community. This civil administration was carried out at the behest of the community of Ardoyne. Surely, if collectivism chose the use of this punishment for these criminals and deviants, the Republican socialist volunteers had to engage in this civil administration?

Moreover, as Republican Socialists, action to deal with these anti-social elements has to be swift, such is the nature of the struggle in Ireland. The IRA cannot be expected to imprison or reform these "people" (and I use that term loosely) as they simply do not have the time or resources to accomplish this feat.

Lastly, Republican socialists are taking revolutionary action on the streets, which is actually beneficial to their communities, both politically and other. I wish to ask how many psuedo-revolutionaries who attack their actions as "reactionary" actually realise that their responses are the same as the actual reactionaries in Ireland who illegally imprison and torture Irish people daily? Care to point out how your internet activism actually helps anyone,bar your ego?

[fionntan]

I tend to have to agree with Costello here as i said on a another thread the IRA are the hand of the community.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

The IRA are reactionary.

[costello1977]

I tend to have to agree with Costello here as i said on a another thread the IRA are the hand of the community.

you know what I want to know, what do those, quick to decry the tactics of Republican Socialists in Ireland, do to help/support/protect their communities?

[costello1977]

The IRA are reactionary.

Their leadership was reactionary until 1998. However, their was a massive split and the reactionaries became involved in constitutional politics.

The IRSP/INLA has never been reactionary.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Their leadership was reactionary until 1998. However, their was a massive split and the reactionaries became involved in constitutional politics.

The IRSP/INLA has never been reactionary.

Corpral punishment/execution is inherently reactionary.

[costello1977]

Corpral punishment/execution is inherently reactionary.

I disagree. I feel that it is the only outlet to a community to deal with the problem. It is definately the last resort.

Denouncing it's use is a Liberal reactionaries tactic to defeat republican socialism.

[Palingenisis]

I read a thread there about a punishment shooting in Belfast recently and I have to say, some of the weak liberal posts on the thread were deeply embarrassing.


I know what you mean a chara.

Its a weird combination of squeamishness coupled with lack of empathy and isolation from genuine working class communities.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

I know what you mean a chara.

Its a weird combination of squeamish coupled with lack of empathy and isolation from genuine working class communities.

Again with the 'prolier than thou' insult Pali? Change the tune, you're getting repetative.

[costello1977]

I know what you mean a chara.

Its a weird combination of squeamish coupled with lack of empathy and isolation from genuine working class communities.

As a resident in the community, I can tell you that houses are being robbed daily, drugs are being sold freely, peopleare afraid to leave their homes at night and the only people providing them respite are the Irish Republican Socialists who are taking on the people who are damaging the communities.

These bourgeoisie leftists are telling real working class people that their actions are anti-community. They are posturing that they don't qualify as marxists because they have to use the last resort to protect themselves from damaging elements within their own community.

Fair play to the Irish Republican Socialists involved.

[Imposter Marxist]

The use of the argument that "Material Conditions" turned the man into a rapist are de-humanizing. Certainly, he had the choice to commit the crime or not. To say that material conditions guided him completely is to no longer consider him human.

Should he have been shot? Maybe. Maybe not. Thats an whole different issue.

[costello1977]

Again with the 'prolier than thou' insult Pali? Change the tune, you're getting repetative.

Name something you have done that has actually changed the life of several people. PB's in North Belfast have stopped homes being robbed and helped thousands of people and are widely supported by the North Belfast Republican Socialist community!

[costello1977]

The use of the argument that "Material Conditions" turned the man into a rapist are de-humanizing. Certainly, he had the choice to commit the crime or not. To say that material conditions guided him completely is to no longer consider him human.

Should he have been shot? Maybe. Maybe not. Thats an whole different issue.

And thats the issue we are discussing. The first paragraph is a whole different issue. What a terrible post!

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Name something you have done that has actually changed the life of several people. PB's in North Belfast have stopped homes being robbed and helped thousands of people and are widely supported by the North Belfast Republican Socialist community!

I wouldn't count kneecapping as helping anyone.

[costello1977]

I wouldn't count kneecapping as helping anyone.

Stopped the wee man breaking into houses. Unfortunately, he had already sold the stuff, but the Rep Sol Vols told me they wanted to return the stolen goods, and have done so before. I think it has helped the community, one which I live in. I think Im a better judge, do you not?

[fionntan]

I dare say the so call "kneecapers"/ vol give to fucks what some brit in sheffield says..

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Stopped the wee man breaking into houses. Unfortunately, he had already sold the stuff, but the Rep Sol Vols told me they wanted to return the stolen goods, and have done so before. I think it has helped the community, one which I live in. I think Im a better judge, do you not?
Logical fallicy.

[fionntan]

They should start knee capping Anarchists...:laugh:

[costello1977]

Logical fallicy.

Explain yourself.

I think your a coward, you know your being exposed as a psuedo-revolutionary with anti-Irish tendancies.

[Palingenisis]

Name something you have done that has actually changed the life of several people. PB's in North Belfast have stopped homes being robbed and helped thousands of people and are widely supported by the North Belfast Republican Socialist community!

He doesnt give a fuck.

The elderly, women and those regarded as "weak" by the hoods can all live in fear as long as his sensibilities arent offended by "thuggery"...It comes down to a deep lack of empathy. You realize that the Anarchist Federation has a member who I think lives in Shefflied aswell and is open about his support for paedo "liberation" and lusting after kids?

That is what you are dealing with a chara.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Explain yourself.

I think your a coward, you know your being exposed as a psuedo-revolutionary with anti-Irish tendancies.

To claim that 'unless you live here/have experianced it, you cannot comment upon the issue' is a logical fallicy. I don't really care what you think of me, personal insults don't make a debate, but just make you look childish.

[costello1977]

He doesnt give a fuck.

The elderly, women and those regarded as "weak" by the hoods can all live in fear as long as his sensibilities arent offended by "thuggery"...It comes down to a deep lack of empathy. You realize that the Anarchist Federation has a member who I think lives in Shefflied aswell and is open about his support for paedo "liberation" and lusting after kids?

That is what you are dealing a chara.

They are an absolute joke. Decrying Rep Sol Volunteers for taking positive action against anti-social, anti-community elements.

They are doing mental backflips to reconcile their "Leftism/anarchism" with their neo-liberalism on this issue.

Saoirse go deo!

[fionntan]

He doesnt give a fuck.

The elderly, women and those regarded as "weak" by the hoods can all live in fear as long as his sensibilities arent offended by "thuggery"...It comes down to a deep lack of empathy. You realize that the Anarchist Federation has a member who I think lives in Shefflied aswell and is open about his support for paedo "liberation" and lusting after kids?

That is what you are dealing with a chara.


Really..

[Palingenisis]

Really..

Yes really. He used to post here under the name TheAnarchistTension before getting banned....Hakim Bey who is a star of student anarchism is also a supporter of paedo liberation and admitted using child "prostitutes" in the third world.

[costello1977]

To claim that 'unless you live here/have experianced it, you cannot comment upon the issue' is a logical fallicy. I don't really care what you think of me, personal insults don't make a debate, but just make you look childish.

So what your claiming is that not only are these morally wrong, but also that Im claiming that you can't have an opinion on the subject? I do hope you will highlight were I posted such a sentiment. I merely highlighted that these actions were on the behalf of the people of the community, and were therefore a community action. You claim they are "reactionary" are contrived as the whole community will agree that these are the last resort actions.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

I see this thread has quickly collapsed into personal attacks and mindless sectarianism. Mods lock this thread.

[ZeroNowhere]

Look, you lot have your own group now, it would be good if you could confine the self-righteous circle jerks to the group in question.

[costello1977]

Look, you lot have your own group now, it would be good if you could confine the self-righteous circle jerks to the group in question.

Was that towards me?

[fionntan]

Yes really. He used to post here under the name TheAnarchistTension before getting banned....Hakim Bey who is a star of student anarchism is also a supporter of paedo liberation and admitted using child "prostitutes" in the third world.


Well i know plenty of anarchists who would cring at the thought so a few peodos saying they are deviants cant tar the whole movement.Also i would of thought that his ip could of been got and him dealt with by workers/community activists.with any luck that happens.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

So what your claiming is that not only are these morally wrong, but also that Im claiming that you can't have an opinion on the subject? I do hope you will highlight were I posted such a sentiment.

Ok. There:


Stopped the wee man breaking into houses. Unfortunately, he had already sold the stuff, but the Rep Sol Vols told me they wanted to return the stolen goods, and have done so before. I think it has helped the community, one which I live in. I think Im a better judge, do you not?



I merely highlighted that these actions were on the behalf of the people of the community, and were therefore a community action. You claim they are "reactionary" are contrived as the whole community will agree that these are the last resort actions.

I don't care on who's behalf these actions were taken. Corpral punishment/executions are reactionary. Regardless of the motivation.

[khad]

Ok, fun's over.

Thread closed.