Predictions for 2012

[RGacky3]

(Supposed to be 2012

My predicion is first of all, Obama will face a primary, progressives have started calling him Obama the republican and pointed out that his tax cuts and deficit commision is a set up to cut social security, theres gonna be a primary (unless he turns around and suddenly becomes progressive).

My prediction is also the republicans will win, UNLESS, somehow Palin runs, then whoevers the democratic candidate will win by a landslide.

[Hit The North]

Changed the title for you, RGacky3.

But what happened to 2011?

[RGacky3]

I'm talking about the presidential elections. It could be argued that Obama is even more dangerous than a republican president, because he's doing repubican policies (against the american people), and there is no opposition, not even an official opposition, the only opposition is the progressives in the Democratic party, while they are the majority in the party, they are tied between the offcial party and the actual principles.

[hatzel]

Why does it matter what will happen, the world's just going to end anyway...

This is my way of saying that I really don't understand American politics. As far as I'm concerned, both parties are the same. And I know that the red and blue states are back to front, but which one's red (which means blue)?

[RGacky3]

the democrats have different factions, and its much more complicated then just red and blue, theres voter turnout the progressive base and so on.

[ComradeMan]

The end of the world? LOL!!! Damn it, Rabbi K got there first.

I think the economic crisis will really begin to bite.

[Dimentio]

Obama did never poise himself as a progressive, but as a reconciliator between the Republicans and the Democrats. Possible is that RGacky3 has a point that he would have been a better negotiatior if he had been more on the progressive side, but his goal has always been to play the role of a "constitutional monarch" and a "national father".

If Obama had been smart, he had distanced himself from daily politics and created healthcare legislation entirely through the Congress (not actively bringing himself into the fray).

[RGacky3]

Dimentio, thats true after election, but if you saw him during the election he was poising as a progressive, single payer, progressive taxes, financial regulation, human rights, anti-war and so on.

Whatever the case, he's most likely a one term president, and its very unlikely the democrats will keep the presidency, unless a real progressive comes along and regains the trust.

[Dimentio]

Dimentio, thats true after election, but if you saw him during the election he was poising as a progressive, single payer, progressive taxes, financial regulation, human rights, anti-war and so on.

Whatever the case, he's most likely a one term president, and its very unlikely the democrats will keep the presidency, unless a real progressive comes along and regains the trust.

No he wasn't.

He was talking about Universal Healthcare, not a Single Payer system.

He was talking about stopping the war in Iraq and intensifying the war in Afghanistan, not ending both wars.

It is you who have chosen to hear what you want to hear.

[NKVD]

People will get disillusioned with the tea party again, just as they got disillusioned with Obama, and they'll got back and elect Obama. He certainly won't have to face a primary challenge. I'm more interested to see the other side. I'm hoping Palin get's nominated just for the lulz. :thumbup:

[Bud Struggle]

I'm thinking Obama will run and get beaten by a mainstream Republican maybe like Mitt Romney. I think Romney (or the someone like him) will be challenged by either Palin or someone similar but Romney will win the Primary in a landslide and the election by a fair margin.

I don't think Obama will face a serious primary--the Democratic base is still behind him.

[Kiev Communard]

I am not an expert on American politics, but it seems to me that, if the Tea Partiers manage to nominate their representative and win the primaries, the more mainstream Republicans will split, coalescing around Michael Bloomberg or some other liberal-conservative like him, thus derailing the chance of Tea Party to win the presidency.

[Dimentio]

I am not an expert on American politics, but it seems to me that, if the Tea Partiers manage to nominate their representative and win the primaries, the more mainstream Republicans will split, coalescing around Michael Bloomberg or some other liberal-conservative like him, thus derailing the chance of Tea Party to win the presidency.

Nope. If there is a serious third party contender, it will be someone like Ross Perrot in 1992, an independent who is well-known or affluent. If a Tea Party activist wins the primary, that person will have the support of the Republican Party, while the centrists would stay home at the couch.

[RGacky3]

No he wasn't.

He was talking about Universal Healthcare, not a Single Payer system.

He was talking about stopping the war in Iraq and intensifying the war in Afghanistan, not ending both wars.

It is you who have chosen to hear what you want to hear.

He stated in the campain that he was in favor of single payer, he said he would end the bush economic policies, your right about the wars, but he has'nt gotten out of Iraq either, he also talked about tough regulation and holding the banksters accountable, if you want I'll pull out the quotes or videos.


I'm thinking Obama will run and get beaten by a mainstream Republican maybe like Mitt Romney. I think Romney (or the someone like him) will be challenged by either Palin or someone similar but Romney will win the Primary in a landslide and the election by a fair margin.

I don't think Obama will face a serious primary--the Democratic base is still behind him.

Your right except for the last part. He might not face a serious primary however I'm betting he wil.

Tough Progressives left him at healthcare, Most progressives left him at financial reform and even the establishment progressives have just left him at tax reform.

The progressives and even most of the centrist democrats have left Obama, he's got nothin except for the few team-Obama folk.

[RGacky3]

Nope. If there is a serious third party contender, it will be someone like Ross Perrot in 1992, an independent who is well-known or affluent. If a Tea Party activist wins the primary, that person will have the support of the Republican Party, while the centrists would stay home at the couch.

Remember independant does not mean centrist, think about how many leftists don't vote, or how many progressives are not into national politics rather just local.

The Democrats WILL loose the next election, the republican congress will blame Obama for everything that goes wrong.

My hope is that right now the congressional progressives will block this bill, completely hold it up. My hope is that progressives either move in droves to a third party or to a real progressive democratic alternative.

[Bud Struggle]

Your right except for the last part. He might not face a serious primary however I'm betting he wil.

So who do you think might oppose him? I can't think of any contenders from the Left myself. I can't believe a Black guy would oppose him.

[RGacky3]

So who do you think might oppose him? I can't think of any contenders from the Left myself. I can't believe a Black guy would oppose him.

I don't know who might oppose him but lots of people are calling for a primary. If he runs again, he'll loose, he's being called by some progressives as Obama the republican president.

As far as your second statement? Why would'nt a black guy oppose him? Is it because Obamas Black? I personally think that black guys just like white guy have the ability to judge a politician based on policies rather than just by race, but maybe you feel otherwise, which is kind of racist.

[Skooma Addict]

That is a tough one. As of now I would have to go with either Portugal or Germany.

[Bud Struggle]

I personally think that black guys just like white guy have the ability to judge a politician based on policies rather than just by race, but maybe you feel otherwise, which is kind of racist.

I think Obama is a huge source of pride for the Black community and I think other Black polititians would respect that even if they didn't agree with him.

[Ele'ill]

(Supposed to be 2012

My predicion is first of all, Obama will face a primary, progressives have started calling him Obama the republican and pointed out that his tax cuts and deficit commision is a set up to cut social security, theres gonna be a primary (unless he turns around and suddenly becomes progressive).

My prediction is also the republicans will win, UNLESS, somehow Palin runs, then whoevers the democratic candidate will win by a landslide.

Full systemic collapse and the birth of the new world.

[RGacky3]

I think Obama is a huge source of pride for the Black community and I think other Black polititians would respect that even if they didn't agree with him.

Sure its great that theres a black person in the whitehouse, but thats not gonna get black peoples support just because of that, becaue guess what, black americans also suffer from bad economic, healthcare and so on policies. I doubt he can count on support from the black community just because he's black.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Nope. If there is a serious third party contender, it will be someone like Ross Perrot in 1992, an independent who is well-known or affluent. If a Tea Party activist wins the primary, that person will have the support of the Republican Party, while the centrists would stay home at the couch.

First, Michael Bloomberg is the 23rd wealthiest person in the world at roughly $18bn. Second, he's the mayor of the countrys most populous and famous city, owns a business network, and is generally more well known than Ross Perot from my experience.

I think Bloomberg would have a serious chance is the GOP nominates a tea partier. If a mainstream GOPer is nominated then I'd say the center would side with them, but if its some crazy rigtie like the republican base wants then Bloomberg could definitely shake thinks up. Keep in mind a lot of Republicans deeply regret nominating the 'liberal' John McCain. Right now Obama is calling him all the time trying to get him involved and stay out of the race, according to the NY Times.

[Amphictyonis]

Besides a total doomsday annihilation I predict, unless capitalism's crisis depends, business as usual.I predict it doesn't matter if a democrat or republican gets into office. If Obama has taught us anything it should be that fact.

There is no democracy in America. We should all march on Washington in a 'vote of no confidence' (in the system) march on election day.

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[Sosa]

I don't see Obama getting another round at this. It'll surely be a republi**** who wins the election, unless it's a Tea Party candidate, then he might have a chance to win depending who challenges him in the primaries and if an Independent decides to run. Either way america is fucked. The only difference is how fast the county will be fucked up and to what degree.

[The Ben G]

Obama will get re-elected. Pretty much nothing will happen.

[PigmerikanMao]

At first I thought this was another dumb 2012 phenomenon speculation threads. As for the political climate, there's really no way to tell. People can guess and speculate all they want, but we have to face the simple truth of the matter that in 2008 a lot of people we hoping for some miracle change that didn't happen- they would never have anticipated that inaction and ineptitude in their public officials (along with more pseudofascist elements in the rightist media) would have brought about the change it did in the 2010 midterms.
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[Revolution starts with U]

I thot it was Mayan prophecy garbage too :laugh:

[Robert]

Best guess: Mitt Romney of Mass wins in a squeaker. Against Obama, who will be re-nominated as the Dem nominee.

Sarah Palin will not be on the ticket. She might run as a third party candidate, in which case Obama cruises to a second term.

[Revolution starts with U]

Man, I wish righties would listen to their own philosophy for once in their lives. Government doesn't do anything but hurt things... right?
If progress was made, it was made despite government.... right?
Mitt Romney ran a liberal state, filled with liberal people (super liberal, my aunt lives there, I visit often).... right?
... I rest my case ;)

[Ocean Seal]

I can't tell you who will win, but I can tell you who will lose: the working class.

[RGacky3]

At first I thought this was another dumb 2012 phenomenon speculation threads. As for the political climate, there's really no way to tell. People can guess and speculate all they want, but we have to face the simple truth of the matter that in 2008 a lot of people we hoping for some miracle change that didn't happen- they would never have anticipated that inaction and ineptitude in their public officials (along with more pseudofascist elements in the rightist media) would have brought about the change it did in the 2010 midterms.
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Almost all the radical leftists knew he would be a corporatist.

George Carlin's clip is awesome, his prediction about social security is right on, they're gonna try cut it.


Either way america is fucked. The only difference is how fast the county will be fucked up and to what degree.

You know I wish you weren't right, but you are. At least for the next 5 years things are gonna get worse and the US will look more and more like a third world country, hell it already does, and its gonna be really hard for patriots like Bud Struggle to hold up the America #1 banner, although it probably won't stop them :P.

But I shed a tear for the American people because they are in for a shit storm, or they are in for the shit storm they are in getting worse.

What I'm also gonna predict that progressives will leave party politics behind and move on to grass roots organizing (the stuff they are good at), you won't see it in the national news but maybe in the local, you'll see more unemployed organizing, you'll see squatters, you'll see some union organizing, (its already happening), but no one in power is gonna pay attention until it starts to scare capital.

[Bud Struggle]

Well I'll agree there is a problem here:

http://cr4re.com/charts/chart-images/EmploymentRecessionsNov.jpg

From: Calculated Risk 4 Real Estate.

http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/

(Sorry about the size of the graph.)

[Dimentio]

The jobs which have been created have been created in third world countries instead.

[Robert]

Man, I wish righties would listen to their own philosophy for once in their lives. Government doesn't do anything but hurt things... right?
If progress was made, it was made despite government.... right?
Mitt Romney ran a liberal state, filled with liberal people (super liberal, my aunt lives there, I visit often).... right?
... I rest my case ;)
No! No one I know except crazy anarchists thinks that. What really distinguishes righties like me from liberals like revleftists (I know, I know, you're revolutionaries, not liberals -- fine) is in their definitions of essential functions of government. Essential functions include national defense, border control, emergency relief in national disasters and epidemics, stable currency, and anything else in the constitution.

It does not include federalized agriculture subsidies to corporations, federalized speech codes, federalized health care, federalized sex education, federalized research on aging, federalized affirmative action, federalized nutrition facts on candy bars. Do you really think we need all these federal agencies? (http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/Federal/All_Agencies/index.shtml)

[Bud Struggle]

^^^What he said. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[ComradeMan]

The best government is the one that governs the least.

There are only two types of government:-

Bad government: top-down, authoritarian and bureaucratic that is self-preservationist and sacrifices the needs of the people for the selfish needs of staying in government, usually tied to the power and wealth of the lobbies within a nation state.

Good government: this is government that does not govern inasmuch as it administers on behalf of the people, it's bottom-up and democratic.

The rest is just axiomatic.

[RGacky3]

No! No one I know except crazy anarchists thinks that. What really distinguishes righties like me from liberals like revleftists (I know, I know, you're revolutionaries, not liberals -- fine) is in their definitions of essential functions of government. Essential functions include national defense, border control, emergency relief in national disasters and epidemics, stable currency, and anything else in the constitution.

It does not include federalized agriculture subsidies to corporations, federalized speech codes, federalized health care, federalized sex education, federalized research on aging, federalized affirmative action, federalized nutrition facts on candy bars. Do you really think we need all these federal agencies? (http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/Federal/All_Agencies/index.shtml)

Read the preable to the constitition heres what it says

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Promote general welfare, insure domestic tranquility, secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our prosperity.

That sounds like democracy belongs in the economy.

As far as all those federal agencies, we probably don't need all of them, but the real difference is this, us lefties believe in democracy, you righties don't, lefites arn't just for "government" we are for more democracy be it through governments, unions, communities, and we are against things that destroy democracy, wars, corporations and so on.

RIght wingers fall in 2 camps, those who are essencially autocrats, and those who don't understand how power works.

[Revolution starts with U]

No! No one I know except crazy anarchists thinks that. What really distinguishes righties like me from liberals like revleftists (I know, I know, you're revolutionaries, not liberals -- fine) is in their definitions of essential functions of government. Essential functions include national defense, border control, emergency relief in national disasters and epidemics, stable currency, and anything else in the constitution.

It does not include federalized agriculture subsidies to corporations, federalized speech codes, federalized health care, federalized sex education, federalized research on aging, federalized affirmative action, federalized nutrition facts on candy bars. Do you really think we need all these federal agencies? (http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/Federal/All_Agencies/index.shtml)

Ronald Reagan was an anarchist?! Rush Limbaugh is an anarchist?!
OMG the ignorance you people spew out sometimes just astounds me!!! :confused:
As long as their are nations, sure I'm not totally against national defense, tho I think it is far more moraly justifiable, and more conducive to non-aggressive expansion to have it provided in the style of local militias (tho with an empire, it's hard to stop the expansion, because the oppressed will then just expand back... see, the fall of Rome).
What I'm not fine with is people dying of diseases that can be cured, simply because they don't have the money to.
I'm against people (having to) take on debt they will not pay off before they die (essentially slavery.. right?) so they can have a place to live free from coercive influence.
I'm against people starving when we produce more than enough food to feed everyone.