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hatzel
7th December 2010, 16:34
A bleak portrait of racial and social exclusion at Oxford and Cambridge has been shown in official data which shows that more than 20 Oxbridge colleges made no offers to black candidates for undergraduate courses last year and one Oxford college has not admitted a single black student in five years.

The university's admissions data confirms that only one black Briton of Caribbean descent was accepted for undergraduate study at Oxford last year.

Figures revealed in requests made under the Freedom of Information (FoI) Act by the Labour MP David Lammy also show that Oxford's social profile is 89% upper- and middle-class, while 87.6% of the Cambridge student body is drawn from the top three socioeconomic groups. The average for British universities is 64.5%, according to the admissions body Ucas.

The FoI data also shows that of more than 1,500 academic and lab staff at Cambridge, none are black. Thirty-four are of British Asian origin.

One Oxford college, Merton, has admitted no black students in five years – and just three in the last decade. Eleven Oxford colleges and 10 Cambridge colleges made no offers to black students for the academic year beginning autumn 2009.

Oxford's breakdown of its latest undergraduate admissions figures, published on its website, shows that just one black Caribbean student was accepted in 2009, out of 35 applications.

A total of 77 students of Indian descent were accepted, out of 466 applications. Six black Caribbean undergraduates were accepted at Cambridge the same year.

In advance of a crucial Commons vote on Thursday, ministers have said universities that want to charge students up to £9,000 a year in fees will face fresh targets on widening access to applicants from disadvantaged backgrounds. Oxford and Cambridge, which are expected to charge the maximum fee, say they are keen to recruit the brightest students from all backgrounds. Both have programmes to encourage applications from state school students, and those from black and working-class backgrounds.

But the FoI data shows white students were more likely to be successful than black applicants at every Cambridge college except St Catharine's, where black candidates have had a 38% success rate, compared with 30% for white students.

The starkest divide in Cambridge was at Newnham, an all-women's college, where black applicants had a 13% success rate compared with 67% for white students. The data for Oxford tells a similar story: at Jesus college white candidates were three and a half times more successful than black candidates over an 11-year period. Oxford says the figures are too low for the variation between colleges to be statistically significant.

The most selective universities argue that poor attainment at school level narrows the pool from which candidates can be drawn. But black candidates are more likely to apply to elite universities.

In 2009, more than 29,000 white students got three As or better at A-level (excluding general studies) and about 28.4% applied to Oxford; while 452 black students got three As or better, and nearly half applied to Oxford. A spokeswoman for Oxford said: "Black students apply disproportionately for the most oversubscribed subjects, contributing to a lower than average success rate for the group as a whole: 44% of all black applicants apply for Oxford's three most oversubscribed subjects, compared with just 17% of all white applicants. That means nearly half of black applicants are applying for the same three subjects … the three toughest subjects to get places in. Those subjects are economics and management, medicine, and maths.with 7% of white applicants. This goes a very long way towards explaining the group's overall lower success rate."

The FoI figures show large parts of the country never send students to the most prestigious universities. No one from Knowsley, Sandwell and Merthyr Tydfil has got to Cambridge in seven years. In the last five years, pupils from Richmond upon Thames have received almost the same number of offers from Oxford as the whole of Scotland.

Rob Berkeley, director of the Runnymede Trust, a thinktank that promotes racial equality, said: "If we go for this elite system of higher education … we have got to make sure what they are doing is fair. If you look at how many people on both frontbenches are Oxbridge-educated, Oxford and Cambridge are still the major route to positions of influence. If that's the case we shouldn't be restricting these opportunities to people from minority backgrounds."

Black students do not lack aspiration, but the opportunity to get into the most prestigious universities, Berkeley argued. "Of the black Caribbean students getting straight As at A-level, the vast majority apply to Oxbridge.... those who do choose to apply have a much lower success rate [than white applicants]. One in five in comparison with one in three for white students. That doesn't seem to have shifted for the last 15 years." A boom in university participation in recent years has led to a more diverse student body, but black students are concentrated in a handful of institutions. In 2007-08 the University of East London had half as many black students as the entire Russell group of 20 universities, which include Oxford and Cambridge.

Matthew Benjamin, 28, who studied geography at Jesus College, Oxford, said: "I was very aware that I was the only black student in my year at my college. I was never made to feel out of place, but it was certainly something I was conscious of.

"When I arrived and they wanted to do a prospectus, and have some students on the cover, they chose me, and one other Asian guy and another guy from Thailand. It was clear they wanted to project this image of somewhere that was quite diverse. The reality was very different – there were three [minority] ethnic students in a year.

"On open days, some black kids would see me and say 'you're the only black person we've seen here – is it even worth us applying?'"

A spokesman for Cambridge said 15% of students accepted last year were from minority ethnic backgrounds. "Over the five years to 2009 entry black students accounted for 1.5% of admissions to Cambridge, compared with 1.2% of degree applicants nationally who secure AAA at A-level. Colleges make offers to the best and brightest students regardless of their background, and where variations exist this is due to supply of applications and demand by subject."



Source (http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/dec/06/oxford-colleges-no-black-students)



On the other side of the coin, when my girlfriend visited me here in England, and we happened to see the aftermath of a graduation ceremony for the University of East London, she took one look at all the proud graduates and, failing to notice a single white face, asked me if education was racially segregated in England. True story.

Milk Sheikh
7th December 2010, 17:29
On the other side of the coin, when my girlfriend visited me here in England, and we happened to see the aftermath of a graduation ceremony for the University of East London, she took one look at all the proud graduates and, failing to notice a single white face, asked me if education was racially segregated in England. True story.

Where's your gf from and how old are you? Are you from one of those colleges yourself?

Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures
7th December 2010, 18:36
Oxbridge is notoriously Racist/elitist. It's no suprise that 72% of the MPs in the UK attended Oxbridge and only 3 PMs have not attended, Earl Russell, Neville Chamberlain, and Gordon Brown,(Edinburgh, Birmingham and Edinburgh respectively), starting from 1721 with Robert Walpole.

Quail
7th December 2010, 18:40
It's always sad to see reports like this, but it's hardly surprising. I applied to Oxford because I was encouraged to by my teachers (I'm a white female, applied to study maths) and they were so very keen to tell us there was no particular "Oxford type" and that everyone had a chance of getting in, but I can pretty safely call bullshit on that one. Most of the people who had their interviews when I did were very obviously from private schools, and very few, if any, of the people I met from state schools got in (I think maybe one did?). I could pretty much tell from the off that I wasn't the kind of person they would be looking for. I felt very out of place, especially when I was trying to socialise.

hatzel
7th December 2010, 19:02
Yup, I didn't even apply.

...admittedly it was because I 'only' got an AAB, plus I wanted to stay in London, but even without that, I knew it wouldn't be my type of place.

What hits me more is that the 'rot' has set in long before it comes to applying to university. As it says, there are 29.000 white students each year with three A's, and only 452 black students with the same grades. I don't have exact details for the ethnic make-up of those as A-level age, but, taking the total percentages for the entire population, for the black community to be equally represented, more than twice as many black students (or half as many white students) would have to get three A's at A-level. Of course, it may be true that the percentage splits between white and black individuals around the age of 18 might be different, but still, it's a pretty damning calculation. Even without worrying about whether or not Oxbridge will or won't accept a black individual, the black disadvantage has clearly already been set, for some reason or another...of course I'm not sweeping across and putting it down to race exclusively...

Quail
7th December 2010, 19:15
I would say part of it is because black students tend to come from poorer areas, schools in poorer areas don't tend to do as well so they don't get such good grades, which means when they grow up they end up staying in the poorer areas... and the cycle goes on.

maskerade
7th December 2010, 19:17
Oxbridge has always seemed like a terrible place to me. I shouldn't stereotype and generalize, but i fucking hate rich people and their complete detachment from reality. Oxford and Cambridge seem like breeding grounds for those types.

Can't say Edinburgh is much better though...

hatzel
7th December 2010, 19:42
I would say part of it is because black students tend to come from poorer areas, schools in poorer areas don't tend to do as well so they don't get such good grades, which means when they grow up they end up staying in the poorer areas... and the cycle goes on.

Of course, of course. This was the explanation I had to give for why the University of East London was so heavy on minorities. In addition, I assumed that many of the people in these poorer areas might be almost forced to stay at home, if they can't afford to get their own place in some other city, and so have to go to their local university, if they'll go to one at all.

Still, I find seeing people graduating from UEL, if I may say so, much more inspiring than people graduating from Oxbridge. Maybe I'm just stereotyping (or I surely am), but I look at Oxbridge people, with their privileged upbringings, and feel more that this was (at least in their eyes) their innate right, to get a degree. That it was on the cards from the day they were born. Whilst those who come from a far less privileged background, but still manage to get a degree...well, for me that's more inspiring, seeing people who have managed to overcome this or that hurdle, to really try to break that cycle they could easily end up stuck in. I hope it doesn't sound patronising to say that I'm proud for them...or, more proud for them than I am for the son of the Lord of such-and-such when he graduates from Oxford, let's just say...

brigadista
7th December 2010, 20:34
just a visit to oxford or cambridge fills the nostrils with the reek of privilege and money