Personal Responsibility

[RGacky3]

This personal responsiblity argument is not an argument at all, and its a terrible cop out to defend the unjust system.

Did millions and millions of people in the last 10 years suddenly get lazy and not take responsibility?

Did millions in America not take responsibility and end up in prison yet that did'nt happen anywhere else?

Are billions in the third world just not taking personal responsiblity? The same will millions in first world ghettos?

The Capitalist class is NEVER told to take personal responsibility.
When they screw up and get charged they pay their way out of prison.
When they get lazy, they just retire, or take exta vacations.
When they screw up at work they start lay offs and if they REALLY screw up they give themselves a golden parichute and take a cushy job as a consultant or something.
When they don't like a law they don't just have to suck it up, they send lobbyists and change it.
They don't have to pay a fair share of their taxes, they don't take responsibility for the benefits in society
They don't have to take responsibilty for their kids they just hire maids

Should poor people work their ass off and take responsibility and try and make their situation better? Of coarse. Does that justify the system that makes them take the responsibility for themselves AND the rich? Does it justify the system where no matter how hard they try they will always be swimming against the stream? does it justify a system of economic tyranny? No.

So poor people have to take responsibilty, but they should also fight to make the system fair so that their repsonsibility pays off and the irresonsibility of the rich does'nt pay off, and that they get a say in the system.

We don't want to stop poor people from having personal responsibility, they don't have a choice, what we want is to hold the rich and the system responsible.

[Baseball]

The argument is based upon a examining how a socialist community might function.

One can blast capitalism all day; it still says nothing about the viability or superiority of a socialist system. That has to be defended upon its own terms.

[Jimmie Higgins]

The argument is based upon a examining how a socialist community might function.

One can blast capitalism all day; it still says nothing about the viability or superiority of a socialist system. That has to be defended upon its own terms.Are you following up from another thread because from that one post, I don't think that was his point - he was exposing the hypocrisy of this particular favorite ideological refrain of the US ruling class.

[Mo212]

I think it really comes down to the fact that people suck hardcore, capitalism or no capitalism. Could anyone at revleft get anything done? How about investing in billboards that point to alternative media sources, do you think the people at revleft could accomplish that?

As long as keyboard jockies post and complain and don't do anything to wake people up the world will remain shit.

[#FF0000]

As long as keyboard jockies post and complain and don't do anything to wake people up the world will remain shit.

Man you're hella dumb for making this assumption here.

[Baseball]

Are you following up from another thread because from that one post, I don't think that was his point - he was exposing the hypocrisy of this particular favorite ideological refrain of the US ruling class.

He created a bugbear. The "personal responsibility" argument has to do with critiquing how a socialist community might function.

By all means, condemn bailouts of failing capitalist enterprises. Capitalists, after all, have always made the worst defenders of capitalism (except Bud Struggle, of course).

[RGacky3]

The "personal responsibility" argument has to do with critiquing how a socialist community might function.

By all means, condemn bailouts of failing capitalist enterprises. Capitalists, after all, have always made the worst defenders of capitalism (except Bud Struggle, of course).

The personal responsibility is also WIDELY used as a defence of the problems of capitalism, i.e. what ever downsides of capitalism, its not capitalism's fault, its because people don't take responsibility.