Homophobes

[Milk Sheikh]

... seem to have a vicious hate for same sex relationships but only if they concern men. But they're okay with lesbians. Isn't this hypocrisy? What's the reason for this?

[Jalapeno Enema]

they tolerate lesbians, as long as the lesbians are "hot", and that they can watch, and that the lesbians have absolutely no rights concerning their sexuality/love life.

I do know what you mean, and it is a double standard. However, I wouldn't consider homophobes "tolerant" to lesbians by a long shot, or any more then the rest of the LGBT community.

[IronEastBloc]

... seem to have a vicious hate for same sex relationships but only if they concern men. But they're okay with lesbians. Isn't this hypocrisy? What's the reason for this?

This is because many men in the mainstream sexually fetishize lesbians as something to be enjoyed pornographically.

[RGacky3]

Its because they are actually sexually confused and feel threatened by gay men. Lesbians don't threaten them or make them feel guilty about secretly having gay feelings.

How many homophobic priests need to get caught with male prostitutes for this to be common knowledge.

[Agapi]

Lesbians only exist as sex objects to misogynists, unlike gay men. Both groups suffer the same form of discrimination, although lesbians also have to deal with the issues of sexism.

[Widerstand]

Keep in mind that lesbians are, in spite of their fetishization as sex objects in ads and porn (although such depictions often suggest that they are generally up for sex with men), often used as a negative image to describe feminists.

[Rottenfruit]

... seem to have a vicious hate for same sex relationships but only if they concern men. But they're okay with lesbians. Isn't this hypocrisy? What's the reason for this?
No not all, some of the christians nutjobs also hate lesbians, and well this does not apply soly to Christianity, homophobia is rampant is Islam and Judaism as well

[Revolution starts with U]

It's rampant among atheists too. Really only leftists, regardless of creed, are the ones who protect the rights of gays.
I can't tell you how many times I was surprised to find a friend of mine that believed one chooses to be gay.

[Sentinel]

It's rampant among atheists too.

Yes, but I would say that this is largely due to religious baggage though, a result of human culture until now largely being dominated by unscientific thinking and superstition.


Really only leftists, regardless of creed, are the ones who protect the rights of gays.

In the US this is no doubt still correct. Here in Sweden things have improved greatly in the last 20 or so years on this particular front, and open homophobia is basically a political suicide -- not even the fascist Swden Democrats dare to emphasise this side of their politics (it's there alright), and concentrate on the racism.

Even the fucking christian democrats had briefly a gay guy as youth league leader. :ohmy:

So besides the left, here most bourgeois liberals are devoutly against homophobia (and sexism etc) here as well. But it was the left that showed the way, of course. I hope this post can give you some hope about progress. But nothing comes without constant struggle.

[Agapi]

Yes, but I would say that this is largely due to religious baggage though, a result of human culture until now largely being dominated by unscientific thinking and superstition.

I would argue that it's a form of gender policing, actually, something that is quite easily shown to be divorceable from religion.


In the US this is no doubt still correct. Here in Sweden things have improved greatly in the last 20 or so years on this particular front, and open homophobia is basically a political suicide -- not even the fascist Swden Democrats dare to emphasise this side of their politics (it's there alright), and concentrate on the racism.This is certainly true, remarkable, and inspiring. But it comes with its own consequences that need addressing, chiefly LGBT co-option into nationalist agendas.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

... seem to have a vicious hate for same sex relationships but only if they concern men. But they're okay with lesbians. Isn't this hypocrisy? What's the reason for this?
Being okay with a group of people just to fetishize them is not truly being okay with them, but objectifying them.

[Milk Sheikh]

Thanks for all the replies. I gather it's more about objectifying them than tolerating them. But one thing puzzles me, though. How come girl-on-girl stuff is attractive even to a homophobe ... but not guy-on-guy to women homophobes?

[Tablo]

I think because the porn industry targets men to begin with so I do not think such fetishes have been pushed on the female population as it has the male population. Some of my female friends are into Japanese porn and like the guy on guy stuff though.

[Revolution starts with U]

Cuz come'on. Guys are ugly as fuck. Women are hot! :rolleyes:

[Quail]

... seem to have a vicious hate for same sex relationships but only if they concern men. But they're okay with lesbians. Isn't this hypocrisy? What's the reason for this?
I wouldn't say they're okay with lesbians for the same reasons that have been mentioned above. I think two women who are together have slightly different issues than two men; I think they're less likely to get insulting comments, but quite likely to get people watching them as though they're some kind of show. It's probably due to sexism more than anything, but it's not so nice when you're kissing someone and some random guy cheers because you're both female.

[Lt. Ferret]

its because homosexual activity is considered feminine. being penetrated or sucking a mans dick is a feminine, submissive act.

the reason men hate gays is the same reason men hate women to a level. they are submissive, they are penetrated, a homosexual man is "lowering" himself to that of a woman when he partakes in sex acts.

women are already at the bottom of the pile so whatever sodom and gomorrah things they think up are still girls being penetrated and feminine. thats why men are okay with lesbians and lesbian activities.

[Revolution starts with U]

Honestly, as with almost all things, it is different for all people. I doubt if you go to an anti gay rally, they are as tolerant of lesbians as common homophobes are.

[minarchist]

... seem to have a vicious hate for same sex relationships but only if they concern men. But they're okay with lesbians. Isn't this hypocrisy? What's the reason for this?

Well, lesbians = 2 chicks in bed or more, duh! As for lesbians like Rosie O'Donnell, it's the same thing as man + man. This is simple arithmetic, dude! :laugh: lol

Of course, I'm joking. But yes, isn't that hypocritical? You're absolutely right. It's pretty sad too. When the only argument is two men together are "nastier" than two women, it just shows there's only hatred/emotion in their argument and no logic.

When I was a little kid and as a teen, I was literally afraid of and uncomfortable with gay people. I don't know why, because no one ever taught me to be. I recall the first time I saw a gay couple I was with my grandmother at the DMV, and I was 6 years old. Something deeply disturbed me about it, and I asked my grandmother if that was what "gay" meant. It just really bothered my 6-year-old mind.

When I was a teen and going to high school, the way kids were picked on was by calling them "gay". And in high school, that was the LAST thing you wanted to be or get labeled. Kids just did this... Anything that was "uncool" or "lame" was "gay". Kids who were sort of soft and un-athletic were called "faggots". And the vast majority of these kids' parents never taught them to be prejudice in this way. It just happened for some reason, and I don't know why. :confused:

When I got older and actually got to know real gay people, I saw that they were just like me except for what they were attracted to sexually. I'm no longer uncomfortable at all. Gay people don't run up behind you and try to butt-rape you, lol. The ones I've met have been very cool people, and I could give a damn less if they like men/women/trees/cars/whatever.