Poll finds California voters trust themselves more than legislators

[Political_Chucky]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-1202-poll-20101202,0,5972657.story
Looks like more and more people are starting to be a bit more aware of how corrupt a representative democracy is. When you can't trust your legislators, that's when its time to take matters in your own hands. ;)
(http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-1202-poll-20101202,0,5972657.story)

[NKVD]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-1202-poll-20101202,0,5972657.story
Looks like more and more people are starting to be a bit more aware of how corrupt a representative democracy is. When you can't trust your legislators, that's when its time to take matters in your own hands. ;)
(http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-1202-poll-20101202,0,5972657.story)

I don't trust either. The California voters are too influenced by the media and the politicians are, well politicians.

[Nuvem]

Yes, this may not be what it appears. This could just as easily represent a radical swing to the Right. Nationalists aren't too fond of representative democracy, and frankly the vast majority of Americans are crypto-Nationalists. The vast majority are apologists for the brutal foreign policy of their government and country, justifying the country's excesses and abuses of human rights such as the genocide the nation was built on with such logic as, "it was necessary and was worth it since America exists as a consequence". Most Americans don't give a flying fuck about democracy, because there is none in this country. They wouldn't mind a steel-handed dictatorship so long as they are personally comfortable.

Not to be the pessimist, of course.

[Fulanito de Tal]

I wonder what Kazakhstan diplomat to the US, Azamat, would say about this.

[Political_Chucky]

Yes, this may not be what it appears. This could just as easily represent a radical swing to the Right. Nationalists aren't too fond of representative democracy, and frankly the vast majority of Americans are crypto-Nationalists. The vast majority are apologists for the brutal foreign policy of their government and country, justifying the country's excesses and abuses of human rights such as the genocide the nation was built on with such logic as, "it was necessary and was worth it since America exists as a consequence". Most Americans don't give a flying fuck about democracy, because there is none in this country. They wouldn't mind a steel-handed dictatorship so long as they are personally comfortable.

Not to be the pessimist, of course.

Well I think you are being a bit too pessimistic, just a bit lol. I think maybe this can lead to something more and proves that people are tired of crap that is going on in California. They are threatening to take out unemployment without any increase of job employment. Matter of fact unemployment has risen to about 10% and the under worked is at about 17%. The Rich are trying to get tax cuts and lower corporate taxes, while taking out funds to social security benefits and raising the age to 67. The more people see what "change" this Obama Administration has really done, the more I think people are looking for some type of answer and that's when people need to be educated to be more democratic about what goes on in their environment. Shit, I don't really see any type of middle class in my area of so-cal and I very much believe that the middle class will be obsolete in the next 20-30 years unless people start caring and realizing where this state is headed.

[Jimmie Higgins]

There is a high level of distrust of both parties right now. While this is something that we can defiantly use in our favor and we can probably convince more liberals of our arguments about the Democrats being the second-half of a ruling class tag team with the Republicans, it doesn't automatically lead to progressive ideas. I think it leads to pessimism for most people at this point - I think the evidence of this is the low turnout of liberals at the polls. If this dissatisfaction were happening in the context of progressive social movements that were making gains, then people would say, look the politicians do shit (at best because when they do pass something usually it's bad for us) but here's the IWW or the Immigrant Rights movement winning pro-labor and pro-immigrant battles. I think this was behind a lot of the radicalization in the 1960s - people saw Democrats apologizing for an unpopular war while it was the radicals who were taking a strong stance and actually forcing local colleges to stop recruitment or kick-off the ROTC or whatnot.

As the econ crisis continues, I think the key element is the anti-austerity movement. Especially in California, we are going to have a "radical liberal hippie" Democrat trying to sell the population on budget cuts, wage-reductions, and other austerity measures. If the anti-budget cut movement can link students and unionists in a real fight-back, then people in general will see that both the Repubs and Dems want to make out lives hell and the only people really doing anything are union militants and radicals.