kanye appreciation thread

[scarletghoul]

i love this shit, tell me im not the only one

[Jalapeno Enema]

. . .I like his music, but he can be a real douche.

[ed miliband]

For a thread about his latest album: http://www.revleft.com/vb/my-beautiful-dark-t145705/index.html

Kanye's unfairly treated and I don't blame him for being a bit miserable. Ten years ago he was an up-and-coming producer, widely respected, etc. and now he's just remembered for jumping up on stage and making Taylor Swift cry. It's funny that you make this thread almost in embarrassment ("tell me im not the only one"), because West commands a great deal of respect amongst critics (not that that's saying much, obv), people like RZA have commended him, etc., and yet it's assumed he's a guilty pleasure. At least the hipsters love him.

I mean, I forgot he even did this song:

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[Sosa]

I like Kanye...he's dope

[Pirate Utopian]

Who cares about Tanya Swift? Kanye is way better.

His last album is good.

[John "Eh" MacDonald]

I'll admit it,he may be cocky but he's good at what he does. Flashing lights probably being my favorite song of his.

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[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

His new album is sounding awesome from what I've heard off of it. As far as mainstream hip hop goes, he's a really interesting musician.

[Axle]

Everyone I know thinks Kanye is a douchebag, but I fucking love his antics. That dude is an IRL troll and doesn't even know it!

[Manic Impressive]

Sorry Couldn't resist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlU0gXq11Hk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlU0gXq11Hk)
(I'd give credit to the comrade who first posted this but I can't remember who anyway they're a legend)

[Cowboy Killer]

Any guy who thinks hes the second coming of jesus isn't worth listening to.

[Dimitri Molotov]

i hate kanyes music, but i kind of like how hes a douche sometimes lol

[thriller]

Kanye is a gay fish.

[pierrotlefou]

Human Troll for sure but no one can deny the production of that last album.

[Property Is Robbery]

Sorry Couldn't resist
DlU0gXq11Hk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlU0gXq11Hk)
(I'd give credit to the comrade who first posted this but I can't remember who anyway they're a legend)
Oh my god I love you! I was gonna post the same video (I'm almost positive I've posted it on here before but I'm not sure)

Kanye's a homophobic, rich, talentless cockface who should go back to producing music.

"It's class war you rich fucks, about to get choked!"

[Delenda Carthago]

Sorry Couldn't resist
DlU0gXq11Hk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlU0gXq11Hk)
(I'd give credit to the comrade who first posted this but I can't remember who anyway they're a legend)
fuck yes!:cursing:

[Pirate Utopian]

lol I heard that song before. It reminds of why 99% of political rap these days has no audience, it's boring.

Once Testament makes an album like MBDTF I'll take their judgement on musicians like Kanye West serious.

[Property Is Robbery]

lol I heard that song before. It reminds of why 99% of political rap these days has no audience, it's boring.

Once Testament makes an album like MBDTF I'll take their judgement on musicians like Kanye West serious.
It doesn't have to be political. I just don't like sexist, homophobic, classist, elitist, pig loving assholes.

[Pirate Utopian]

lol emptyass adjectives. "Pig loving". You forgot to call him a fascist sell-out, bro.

[John "Eh" MacDonald]

lol I heard that song before. It reminds of why 99% of political rap these days has no audience, it's boring.

Once Testament makes an album like MBDTF I'll take their judgement on musicians like Kanye West serious.

Here, I have the only good song written by a political rap group.

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[Pirate Utopian]

Dead Prez are one of the few who do right. And even they have quite a few songs that are quite bad.

DPz got good beats. The bassline on Hip-Hop is really good.

[apawllo]

lol I heard that song before. It reminds of why 99% of political rap these days has no audience, it's boring.

Not really. They don't have an audience because they don't get signed to majors; on the rare occasion that they do they get little to no promotion, and subsequently no radio play. I often wonder what artists who do get radio play have to do to get it cause their music is so frequently completely asinine. In the words of the legendary Bill Hicks, it's probably something along the lines of "suck the devil's cock."

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[John "Eh" MacDonald]

j4HEu-HH_Vw

Dude has no flow at all. I can honestly say that I can rap better than him.

[apawllo]

Better than Kool Keith? Impressive. Let's hear your sick flow...

[John "Eh" MacDonald]

Better than Kool Keith? Impressive. Let's hear your sick flow...

Back in the 90's I was known pretty well, perhaps you've heard me rap before...




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[Burn A Flag]

Wow! Eazy E isn't dead! Can I have your autograph? Seriously though wtf about most political hip hop being boring? What are you comparing it to? I personally really like Dead Prez, the Coup, Talib Kweli, Non Phixion, etc. However my favorite non political hip hop group is probably Bone Thugs.

[apawllo]

Eazy E, back from the dead and posting on RevLeft. :thumbup1:

[John "Eh" MacDonald]

Wow! Eazy E isn't dead! Can I have your autograph?

I like to keep it on the down low, know what I'm sayin'?

but to answer your second question, compare these two artists.

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[John "Eh" MacDonald]

Not to mention that all the political rappers I've ever listened to all sound the same and all their songs sound the same, with one exception, Hip Hop by Dead Prez.

[apawllo]

How exactly is Hip-Hop by Dead Prez different than every other political hip-hop song? Just cause there's a beat or...?

[Magón]

I do like his supporting roles in Kid Cudi's stuff, but him alone I'm not a big fan.

[Burn A Flag]

The beat sounds pretty cool in that song, and I like Big Boi's especially in work with Outkast fine. But Tech is really not that good as a political rapper. He just rhymes random shit together and it doesnt sound amazing. But Tech is not all political rappers. The Coup is probably the best political hip hop group of all time IMO.

[John "Eh" MacDonald]

How exactly is Hip-Hop by Dead Prez different than every other political hip-hop song? Just cause there's a beat or...?

We'll Hip-Hop isn't really political but rather an attack on mainstream rap, maybe that's why I like it.:lol:

But for me personally I don't like the whole monotone slow rapping of most political rappers it gets boring after a while. I don't care for biggie smalls for that same reason. I'm pretty picky about my rappers.

[John "Eh" MacDonald]

The beat sounds pretty cool in that song, and I like Big Boi's especially in work with Outkast fine. But Tech is really not that good as a political rapper. He just rhymes random shit together and it doesnt sound amazing. But Tech is not all political rappers. The Coup is probably the best political hip hop group of all time IMO.

Before today I haven't heard of The Coup, he's everything I look for in a rapper.

[Burn A Flag]

Before today I haven't heard of The Coup, he's everything I look for in a rapper.

See, there is good and bad in political hip hop, just like apolitical hip hop. For example: Drake vs Bone Thugs or Technique vs The Coup or Dead Prez.

Also, diffrent people want diffrent things from music. Some people just like music that sounds cool, others want just good lyrics, Personally I like both together.

[Property Is Robbery]

Here, I have the only good song written by a political rap group.

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Kanye West produced this song and that's what he should stick to!


Not to mention that all the political rappers I've ever listened to all sound the same and all their songs sound the same, with one exception, Hip Hop by Dead Prez.
You haven't been listening to the right stuff. Also how are your AIDs Eazy E?

[John "Eh" MacDonald]

Random thought... how ironic would it be for there to be a bonehead rapper? I mean its already ironic that they stole the skinhead culture but just think about it...

[Property Is Robbery]

Random thought... how ironic would it be for there to be a bonehead rapper? I mean its already ironic that they stole the skinhead culture but just think about it...
They would probably get killed.

[John "Eh" MacDonald]

Kanye West produced this song and that's what he should stick to!

Haha, i didn't know he produced it. maybe that's why I liked it so much.;)


You haven't been listening to the right stuff.

Apparently not. I still stand by my statement that a lot of political rappers are boring though, even if their lyrics are good.


Also how are your AIDs Eazy E

I just faked my death. tupac's still alive and well too by the way. In fact I partied with him, Biggie, Elvis, and Jim Morrison just the other day.

[Property Is Robbery]

Haha, i didn't know he produced it. maybe that's why I liked it so much.;)



Apparently not. I still stand by my statement that a lot of political rappers are boring though, even if their lyrics are good.



I just faked my death. tupac's still alive and well too by the way. In fact I partied with him, Biggie, Elvis, and Jim Morrison just the other day.
Jim Morrison is alive!

Of course a lot of it is monotonous shit but there are great gems if you dig through the crap. Plus wouldn't you agree the majority of rap/hip hop is shit anyway?

[Manic Impressive]

Apparently not. I still stand by my statement that a lot of political rappers are boring though, even if their lyrics are good.

Cool Keith sounds pretty shit and I reckon most of us could spit better than that track posted. But the Coup are fuckin' amazing for beats and rhymes here's my favourites
"Hey man I got a disease"
"what you got"
"It's called broke with no mutha fuckin' respect and it's an STD but you ain't never gone know coz iot comes from a long legacy of getting fucked"
3MDOw8g6dEw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MDOw8g6dEw)


4QEYb_z9LaU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QEYb_z9LaU)

can't get the videos to work :crying:

[Property Is Robbery]

Liking Kanye is one thing but what I don't get is starting a thread on a communist site dedicated to someone who admittedly only raps for money. It's nonsensical.


Cool Keith sounds pretty shit and I reckon most of us could spit better than that track posted. But the Coup are fuckin' amazing for beats and rhymes here's my favourites
"Hey man I got a disease"
"what you got"
"It's called broke with no mutha fuckin' respect and it's an STD but you ain't never gone know coz iot comes from a long legacy of getting fucked"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MDOw8g6dEw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QEYb_z9LaU

can't get the videos to work :crying:
You only use the url after the ?v= so your first video you would put [Youtubr]3MDOw8g6dEw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MDOw8g6dEw)[youtubr]

[apawllo]

We'll Hip-Hop isn't really political but rather an attack on mainstream rap, maybe that's why I like it.:lol:

But for me personally I don't like the whole monotone slow rapping of most political rappers it gets boring after a while. I don't care for biggie smalls for that same reason. I'm pretty picky about my rappers.

IMO there's nothing wrong with being picky as long as you're into this:

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Kanye West produced this song and that's what he should stick to!

For real, there's no question he's a top notch producer. That beat he made for Purple Haze is fire.

/appreciation


Cool Keith sounds pretty shit and I reckon most of us could spit better than that track posted.

No.

[Manic Impressive]

Liking Kanye is one thing but what I don't get is starting a thread on a communist site dedicated to someone who admittedly only raps for money. It's nonsensical.
yeah man couldn't agree more I've never liked Kanye trouble is when looking at main stream rap even people I do like are pieces of shit for example snoop glorifying being a pimp really pisses me off. Mainstream rap really lost it's way and it's really sad.


You only use the url after the ?v= so your first video you would put [Youtubr]3MDOw8g6dEw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MDOw8g6dEw)[youtubr]
I actually tried that first but for some reason it doesn't like me tonight

[Property Is Robbery]

LB4D-GbQ9A4



If Public Enemy started today it would neeeeeevvvvvveeeeeeeerrrr get played on MTV

[apawllo]

That's true. Then again I don't think they play music at all anymore.

Anyway, I feel like a dick after my last post so I apologize Manic. Kool Keith is a legend in my mind. I posted that track for lyrical content due to the discussion taking place. His flow might be weak, but he's had a career which has spanned nearly 30 years now, and there's pretty much something there for anyone. I find it amazing that people half his age discover him now and label him "ahead of his time" for things his doing. At the risk of sounding pretentious, he's sort of a rapper's rapper.

[ed miliband]

Kool Keith is an outsider rapper; he's happy just to drop acid and talk shit over a beat.

[Pirate Utopian]

Liking Kanye is one thing but what I don't get is starting a thread on a communist site dedicated to someone who admittedly only raps for money. It's nonsensical.
Because it sounds good.

I should start a thread on Gucci Mane.

[L.A.P.]

I should start a thread on Gucci Mane.

No! Regardless of politics, Kanye West is a really good artist but Gucci Mane sucks.

[Pirate Utopian]

Gucci Mane got some of the best beats. Plus I like voice.

BRIIIIIIICKSQUAAAAD!

[ed miliband]

They put Gucci in a cell, did my deal went to jail
I make music, I make movies, I need Tyler Perry's cell
Loud smell coming out the Lamb', fuck it, what the hell
Gucci Mane, so I'm Gucci down, she got on Chanel
In the cut rolling stupid kush like I'm in a rush
In the club with half a pound, 150 blunts
Zone 6 Atlanta, fuck with me the longest
So I shine like it's showtime, all my jewelry on
On the block with the stupid watch, boy you need to stop
When I stop everybody watch, car don't have a top
And stretch cost a stupid check, rolling up the pack
Now I'm gone, I can't even flex, Eastside where you at?

[L.A.P.]

Gucci Mane got some of the best beats. Plus I like voice.

BRIIIIIIICKSQUAAAAD!

Well I'm not going to lie, his beats are pretty good.

[bailey_187]

Kanye makes good music.

Also, 808 Heartbreak was a good album, fuck off if u dont agree.

[bricolage]

Liking Kanye is one thing but what I don't get is starting a thread on a communist site dedicated to someone who admittedly only raps for money.
yeah fuck people who do stuff for money...

[apawllo]

Kool Keith is an outsider rapper; he's happy just to drop acid and talk shit over a beat.

From what I can recall dude's only really talking shit against the industry when he does. Other than that he's really been on his own shit since I can remember. Calling him an outsider isn't fair cause it would probably be difficult to find a respectable rapper who doesn't have a sizable amount of respect for the guy...

[ed miliband]

From what I can recall dude's only really talking shit against the industry when he does. Other than that he's really been on his own shit since I can remember. Calling him an outsider isn't fair cause it would probably be difficult to find a respectable rapper who doesn't have a sizable amount of respect for the guy...

1. When I said "talk shit" I didn't mean it as an insult, far from it.
2. I mean "outsider rapper" like "outsider art" or "outsider music" (look it up). It's not an insult (again, far from it) and does not reflect Kool Keith's respect amongst rappers.

[Political_Chucky]

Kanye makes good music.

Also, 808 Heartbreak was a good album, fuck off if u dont agree.

Can I fuck on if I do?:D

College dropout = Best original album. Late Registration= OK follow up. Graduation= Poppy Album. 808= best new sound. Dark twisted fantasy= SICK follow up.

I pound the gavel. Court is adjourned.:closedeyes:

[Il Medico]

Kayne's new album is pretty good.

[Pirate Utopian]

College dropout = Best original album. Late Registration= OK follow up. Graduation= Poppy Album. 808= best new sound. Dark twisted fantasy= SICK follow up.
Pretty much true. There were some good songs on Graduation though.

[Sosa]

College Dropout was great. The only flaw was that it had too many skits, especially the 2 skits back-to-back. And it had a clean version of one of the songs on a dirty version album

Late Registration was epic, the production was top notch, probably his best album after MBDTF.

Graduation was good. Nothing major but not bad either.

I didn't like 808s & Heartbreak. I hated the autotune, production wasn't stellar. Plus autotune was played out already. I consider it his weakest album

MBDTF is by far his best work, lyrically and musically above the rest of his catalogue.

[thriller]

Dead Prez are one of the few who do right. And even they have quite a few songs that are quite bad.

DPz got good beats. The bassline on Hip-Hop is really good.

I like Dead Prez, but your reply made me think of an Immortal Tech line:
"I'd have everybody fuck, and have the world darkening. I'd make rap about lyrics, not beats and marketing."

[Pirate Utopian]

Yeah fuck beats. They only make songs more enjoyable.

Everyone knows songs arent about enjoyment but about talking conspiracy theory shit with a crappy flow and a beat everyone can make with Mixcraft.

Anybody could write better lyrics than IT too.

[thriller]

Yeah fuck beats. They only make songs more enjoyable.

Everyone knows songs arent about enjoyment but about talking conspiracy theory shit with a crappy flow and a beat everyone can make with Mixcraft.

Anybody could write better lyrics than IT too.

LOL. Yeah I agree with your post (other than hating on IT :'( ), just reminded me of his line. Plus I'm a bassist, so beats are very important to me :P

[apawllo]

Yeah fuck beats. They only make songs more enjoyable.

Everyone knows songs arent about enjoyment but about talking conspiracy theory shit with a crappy flow and a beat everyone can make with Mixcraft.

Anybody could write better lyrics than IT too.

If you're really an emcee, it's about getting your actual thoughts out on a track. Your theories on life and so forth; with or without quality beats this can be done effectively. Immortal Technique gets so much respect cause he's amazing at this, whether you don't appreciate his flow or whatever else. If you skip over anything that doesn't have production to your liking you're going to miss out on some of the greatest philosophers hip-hop has known. But the way you talk about it, you don't even take the emcee side of the art seriously to begin with.

[Pirate Utopian]

I have listened to enough Nas, Wu-Tang Clan, Mr. Lif, etc. stuff to last me a lifetime.
IT just isn't a good rapper. And since when is lyricism an excuse for wack beats? Plenty of lyrical rappers have atleast decent beats. From Big Daddy Kane till Wiz Khalifa.

Lyricism is just one aspect of hip-hop. There has to be some kind of diversity. So when people try to say Gucci Mane or Soulja Boy arent real hip-hop for doing rap you can dance to they're the ones who don't get it. Does that mean that West Street Mob or Man Parrish werent real hip-hop because they made breakdance records?

"True hip-hop heads" are stuck in the past. Bling, dance songs and violence are now killing hip-hop but was okay when it was Slick Rick, Mantronix and Schoolly D. And the only modern hip-hop they like is garbage like IT so they are in no way associated with people who like rappers that offend their hip-hop purism.
There's plenty of proper lyrical hip-hop out there these days like Asher Roth, Curren$y or Wiz Khalifa.

You know why rappers originally started rapping? To keep the party going. Nowadays to be "real hip-hop" you have to be some kind of lyrical assassin. Bleh.

[apawllo]

Don't get me wrong, I prefer dope beats over wack ones, but to write off a quality emcee or even take him down a notch cause he raps over beats you don't care for is shortsighted. The game has changed since hip-hop was born. Back when it started, it wasn't centered around the emcee, or even beats really...it was centered around a DJ who as you said was there to work a party - the emcee was secondary. Over time, hip-hop has grown though. In modern hip-hop, I think it would be tough to argue that the emcee isn't in the foremost position. But no, you don't have to be any sort of rapper to be a proper one imo, so long as you're giving the world your actual thoughts in some form or fashion. All the rappers you named are indeed hip-hop artists, regardless of who would like to admit this as fact. Some likely offering more to the art than others however.

[Pirate Utopian]

I used to be an IT fan so I'm no writing him off just because. I really think he can't rap.

I don't mind political rap per se, but can political rappers please up their quality a bit? It's like people on here only listen to IT because he raps about politics not so much because they truely enjoy his music.
If political rappers get better beats, that shouldnt have to comprimise their lyrics, they could find a decent audience on the internet. Wiz Khalifa was insanely popular even before he signed to Atlantic, because he had enjoyable music and he knew how to use internet to spread it. If political rappers try to make rap with the only virtue being their politics they'll end up only speaking to the converted.

Sometimes I just want some music that's just to chill or dance to, I don't want to hear every rapper's philosophies.

[Ism]

I don't mind political rap per se, but can political rappers please up their quality a bit? It's like people on here only listen to IT because he raps about politics not so much because they truely enjoy his music.

I don't necessarily think that's true. I got introduced to IT two years ago by a reactionary dude from my class. A lot of cappie kids at my high school listen to IT due to the power in his lines. While they all agree that the beats are, at best, mediocre, they also do agree that his lines are some of the illest they've ever listened to. Come on, everyone's world stops when they listen to Dance With the Devil and You Never Know for the first time.

Even if you disagree with most of the views of IT (but still think that most US foreign policy is retarded or should at least be questioned), you'll get the message anyway because he sends it out in an extremely efficient way by lyrically murdering his political enemies. His mix of using provoking subjects and critique of capitalism gets the message out.

I personally love IT, because he changed me from liberal to revolutionary. If his lyrics alone can move people left, he's got skill. Now, I look back and wonder what the fuck I was thinking before.

[ed miliband]

Y'know, just cos Kanye doesn't labour the point that he's a "political rapper" or whatever doesn't mean that he isn't political. His choice of sample to close MBDTF is far more political than anything IT has recorded.

Also Kanye's not a homophobe, and actively condemns homophobia. Can't say the same for IT can we?

[Ism]

His choice of sample to close MBDTF is far more political than anything IT has recorded.

How can you say that a sampled outro is more political than three studio albums in total including numerous featurings? Revolutionary vol. 1, Revolutionary vol. 2 and the 3rd World are all very political - you can't deny that even though you might not like his music.

Tell my why this isn't more political than Kanye West's Who Will Survive in America.

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IT actually raps about political stuff whereas Kanye only samples it -- correct me if I'm wrong, though (it's been like two years since I listened to any of his first three albums because I discovered the world of hip hop more thoroughly).

[bricolage]

Flow>>>Content.
Discuss.

[bailey_187]

i do like IT but he isnt an amazing rapper.

most the so called "underground" "real rap" fans love all these rappers with shit rhyme patterns but just have a few intellegent words here and there and a social/political refernce

i got the jay z book for xmas and if u see some of the lyrics of jay z on paper, omg, he has incredible skills (and uses good beats, good flow and delivery). now look at some tech lyrics on paper.

not that skilled and complicated lyrics are THAT important to me. Wiz Khalifa's lyrics and pretty basic but he's getting the most plays on my ipod right now.

[bailey_187]

He represents the end of music.

why?

[apawllo]

I used to be an IT fan so I'm no writing him off just because. I really think he can't rap.

I don't mind political rap per se, but can political rappers please up their quality a bit? It's like people on here only listen to IT because he raps about politics not so much because they truely enjoy his music.
If political rappers get better beats, that shouldnt have to comprimise their lyrics, they could find a decent audience on the internet. Wiz Khalifa was insanely popular even before he signed to Atlantic, because he had enjoyable music and he knew how to use internet to spread it. If political rappers try to make rap with the only virtue being their politics they'll end up only speaking to the converted.

Sometimes I just want some music that's just to chill or dance to, I don't want to hear every rapper's philosophies.

Listen to what you want; I'm not trying to be one of those dudes who tries to dictate what other people listen to. But, there are plenty of cerebral hip-hop artists who have beats...and I disagree with you; they tend to get more love on the internet than the ones who exclusively make shit to chill to. Take Tech N9ne for example. Normally considered the most successful independent hip-hop artist in the modern era in terms of record sales, with Immortal Technique close to him; he doesn't focus on politics usually, but often psychology or sociology. He makes tracks just to dance too also obviously, but he's undoubtedly an amazing artist. In terms of flow he's one of the best. Pretty much the complete package.

Wiz Khalifa will never be on Tech N9ne's level, but he's basically just a ring tone rapper who has used the internet to spawn his career. A political rapper, could never do this. If you believe that they could I'd like to hear your marketing tactics and so forth, I'd like to hear your song ideas, since you seem to believe hip-hop to be such a simple art form, and I'd like to hear how you'd sell them to the industry.

And for the record, IT's flow fits with his music. He's got that "too pissed off to stay on beat" flow. If you're with him, you should be able to overlook it. If you think he's just bad lyrically, I'd like to see you write something better tbh...

[FreeFocus]

Kanye is a good artist. He's creative and made a ton of good tracks. College Dropout was a classic album. I didn't listen to his latest album yet but people have been saying good things about it.

And the IT hate always pisses me off. You can criticize his lyrics, but whatever, he raps about what shit is like in the ghetto, and excuse the fuck out of him for using the language that is used in the real world. An artist opting to not use certain words won't make those words go away. IT is not sexist, he's explicitly come out against sexism, and listen to Dance With the Devil and his explanation of it and tell me he's sexist.

IT has good lyrics, and the beats are aggressive enough for me to like. He could have more variety I guess, but he sticks to his bread and butter, and it works.

I'm a hip-hop purist; I don't listen to much stuff from today, most of what I listen to is from the 90s. You know, there was a time when hip-hop was an actual threat to the established order, and was a counter-culture where aggrieved peoples could vent frustration and talk about the problems in their communities (80s and 90s; today, this is underground stuff). You used to get bourgeois politicians coming out and decrying hip-hop. They don't do that anymore. Now, they just laugh at it, partly because they're also making some $ out of it. The other part is that hip-pop is a fucking joke.

[bailey_187]

Wiz Khalifa will never be on Tech N9ne's level, but he's basically just a ring tone rapper who has used the internet to spawn his career.

WTF is wrong with using the internet?

WTf is a ring tone rapper?

HAVE U HEARD KHUSH AND ORANGE JUICE?

[ed miliband]

Wiz Khalifa has a better aesthetic.

[Manic Impressive]

Y'know, just cos Kanye doesn't labour the point that he's a "political rapper" or whatever doesn't mean that he isn't political. His choice of sample to close MBDTF is far more political than anything IT has recorded.
He's not political unless your talking about the politics of how to fatten his pockets.

Also Kanye's not a homophobe, and actively condemns homophobia. Can't say the same for IT can we?
Proof.



I don't mind political rap per se, but can political rappers please up their quality a bit?
Ok I'm not IT's biggest fan but are you seriously going to argue that they are better than the Coup or Dead Prez?

[ed miliband]

He's not political unless your talking about the politics of how to fatten his pockets.

LOL.


Proof.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4165706.stm

[Manic Impressive]

LOL.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4165706.stm
Meh he's just saying that because he wants to expand his fan base and increase his sales. Obvious marketing ploy is Obvious.

you'll be telling me that Puff Daddy is a political rapper next :rolleyes:

[Pirate Utopian]

Ok I'm not IT's biggest fan but are you seriously going to argue that they are better than the Coup or Dead Prez?
Who do you mean by "they"? I like Dead Prez and The Coup just fine.

[ed miliband]

Meh he's just saying that because he wants to expand his fan base and increase his sales. Obvious marketing ploy is Obvious.


Erm, he risked losing fans with that comment. And you know LGBT people aren't drones who are gonna like someone because they've spoken out against homophobia. Kanye made that comment before the Taylor Swift incident, at the height of his popularity, knowing full well that he would be accused of being gay by other rappers, etc.

[Manic Impressive]

Who do you mean by "they"? I like Dead Prez and The Coup just fine.
Kanye & Jay-Z

You said that political rappers need to up their game or were you only refering to Immortal Technique?

[FreeFocus]

Kanye has also criticized Bush for Katrina and brought attention to the issue of blood diamonds and the brutality that surrounds the trade.

[Manic Impressive]

Kanye has also criticized Bush for Katrina and brought attention to the issue of blood diamonds and the brutality that surrounds the trade.
Yet he still wears them. Dr Dre said "I don't smoke weed or cess coz it's gonna give a brother brain damage" A year or two later he released the chronic. Hitler said he wasn't going to invade Poland but guess how that turned out :tt2:
My point is Kanye West is disingenuous and only truly interested in himself and his wallet. Anyway I'm going to leave you Westophiles to your little love in.:lol:

[Palingenisis]

On another question am I the only vaguely young Maoist who cant stand hip-hop?

[Pirate Utopian]

You said that political rappers need to up their game or were you only refering to Immortal Technique?
IT and the kind of rappers that make the vast majority of political rap like Emcee Lynx.

[FreeFocus]

On another question am I the only vaguely young Maoist who cant stand hip-hop?

Hopefully, because hip-hop is awesome. :lol:

I listened to some Emcee Lynx stuff like two years ago, there was one funny song that was called "None of the Above" I think. Besides that I was kind of disappointed.

[bailey_187]

yo Rick Ross is on top right now

He's killed it this year

Albert Anastasia EP was good

TEFLON DON was a classic, fuck off backpacker snobs

Just listening his new mixtape Ashes to Ashes and the Big Bawse still got it

fuck backpackers and hip hop snobs

ROZAAAAYYY (ricky is prole friendly with this seeing as i can get a bottle of rose for a like a fiver from Tesco express)

[bailey_187]

On another question am I the only vaguely young Maoist who cant stand hip-hop?

i think so

alot of the young people into Mao come to it through the Black panthers i think, and most young people outside of America only know about them from hip hop artists referencing them

[Property Is Robbery]

Everyone knows songs arent about enjoyment but about talking conspiracy theory shit with a crappy flow and a beat everyone can make with Mixcraft.

Anybody could write better lyrics than IT too.
Yeah because Capitalists ruling the world is a bullshit conspiracy theory!

Go. Write better lyrics.

Kanye has also brought attention to the issue of blood diamonds and the brutality that surrounds the trade.
He has diamond teeth for fucks sake

[Pirate Utopian]

Yeah because Capitalists ruling the world is a bullshit conspiracy theory!
"9/11 was an inside job", illuminati, etc. is bullshit.

[bailey_187]

Go. Write better lyrics.


tbh i dont think u get what makes technically good lyrics in hip hop. It isnt a big words and something revolutionary to get u excited.

[Property Is Robbery]

Y'know, just cos Kanye doesn't labour the point that he's a "political rapper" or whatever doesn't mean that he isn't political. His choice of sample to close MBDTF is far more political than anything IT has recorded.

Also Kanye's not a homophobe, and actively condemns homophobia. Can't say the same for IT can we?


Well everyone knows this about IT


"It's crazy how you can go from being Joe Blow
To everybody on your dick, no homo" - Kanye west

how is that not homophobic?

Also nothing kanye has recorded is more political than IT. Why don't you listen to poverty of philosophy

uhjfg_5cMc8

[Property Is Robbery]

tbh i dont think u get what makes technically good lyrics in hip hop. It isnt a big words and something revolutionary to get u excited.
I'm not saying he's a lyrical genius I'm just saying I doubt anyone on here could do better.


"9/11 was an inside job", illuminati, etc. is bullshit.9/11 was an inside job..

[bailey_187]

I'm not saying he's a lyrical genius I'm just saying I doubt anyone on here could do better.

lol so? compare him to other rappers, not revleft posters.

I doubt u could write lyrics better than P.Diddy or Nelly - but theyre still shit rappers


9/11 was an inside job..

leave. now.

[Property Is Robbery]

[QUOTE=Ⓐ☭property_is_robbery☭Ⓐ;1971705]I'm not saying he's a lyrical genius I'm just saying I doubt anyone on here could do better.

lol so? compare him to other rappers, not revleft posters

I do. That's why I see he's better than Kanye but obviously not better than many.

leave. now. You leave bourgeois pig lover

[bailey_187]

"It's crazy how you can go from being Joe Blow
To everybody on your dick, no homo" - Kanye west

how is that not homophobic?


[insert some genric lyrics from IT calling someone a "f*ggot"]

HOW IS THAT NOT HOMOPHOBIC?

[Property Is Robbery]

[insert some genric lyrics from IT calling someone a "f*ggot"]

HOW IS THAT NOT HOMOPHOBIC?
Of course he's a homophobe... I already said that.

[bailey_187]

if u think tech is better than kanye i dont think u listend to much kanye

[ed miliband]

Kanye likes getting paid and buying expensive shit, but I don't think there's a single song solely about that on MBDTF. In fact, one of the songs 'So Appalled' pretty much condemns his whole lifestyle as "fuckin' ridiclous".

You anti-Kanye lot are basically attacking the poor man based on your own misconceptions. Leave him alone.

[Property Is Robbery]

if u think tech is better than kanye i dont think u listend to much kanye
Didn't say he was better at beats just at lyrics and flow. (I don't think IT is a great lyricist) but he's better than kanye anyday.

[Property Is Robbery]

Kanye likes getting paid and buying expensive shit, but I don't think there's a single song solely about that on MBDTF. In fact, one of the songs 'So Appalled' pretty much condemns his whole lifestyle as "fuckin' ridiclous".

You anti-Kanye lot are basically attacking the poor man based on your own misconceptions. Leave him alone.
How are we attacking the poor man? He is as rich as they come. And he doesn't just like getting paid. That's one thing. But when that is his reason for making music I don't see how you could justify that.

[bailey_187]

Didn't say he was better at beats just at lyrics and flow. (I don't think IT is a great lyricist) but he's better than kanye anyday.

kanye is much better than tech in all those areas

[ed miliband]

How are we attacking the poor man? He is as rich as they come. And he doesn't just like getting paid. That's one thing. But when that is his reason for making music I don't see how you could justify that.

I didn't mean materially poor.

I just think Kanye's mental health is gonna take a battering if he finds out about all these people hating on him.

[Property Is Robbery]

I didn't mean materially poor.

I just think Kanye's mental health is gonna take a battering if he finds out about all these people hating on him.
Well then besides in the area of talent how is Kanye poor?

thousands of people hate on him all the time. Any one who is a fan of real hip hop and doesn't listen to payola bullshit, hates him

[ed miliband]

Dunno about the States but in the UK you can say someone is "poor" if you feel bad for someone. I feel bad for Kanye so I'm saying "aww, poor Kanye".

Poor, poor Kanye.

[Property Is Robbery]

Dunno about the States but in the UK you can say someone is "poor" if you feel bad for someone. I feel bad for Kanye so I'm saying "aww, poor Kanye".

Poor, poor Kanye.
Sorry I read your post wrong then. How can you feel bad for him when he is an icon of bourgeois over indulgence? It seems like everyone in this thread are capitalist apologists.

[bailey_187]

Any one who is a fan of real hip hop and doesn't listen to payola bullshit, hates him

lettuce be reality

"real hip hop fans" are kids on the internet.

"real hip hop" is a meaningless term. you have decided whats real.

Is 'real hip hop' hip hop that sounds like its performed in 1979 in a Bronx housing project park by a guy in a kangool with a bag of krylon paint? Tech dont sound like that. TBH Kanye sounds closer (not that close) to this than tech, with all the old school samples and just lyrics about having fun sometimes.

So thats not 'real hip hop'. what isit?

[Property Is Robbery]

lettuce be reality

"real hip hop fans" are kids on the internet.

"real hip hop" is a meaningless term. you have decided whats real.

Is 'real hip hop' hip hop that sounds like its performed in 1979 in a Bronx housing project park by a guy in a kangool with a bag of krylon paint? Tech dont sound like that. TBH Kanye sounds closer (not that close) to this than tech, with all the old school samples and just lyrics about having fun sometimes.

So thats not 'real hip hop'. what isit?

Once again I'm not really even an IT fan. but saying kanye's auto-tuned bs is closer to raw 80's rap than IT is delusional.

Real hip hop is going out and working for a fan base. Not just paying to be on the radio

[bailey_187]

Once again I'm not really even an IT fan. but saying kanye's auto-tuned bs is closer to raw 80's rap than IT is delusional.

shows how much 80s hip hop and kanye u listend to


Real hip hop is going out and working for a fan base. Not just paying to be on the radio

lol im sure kanye did this at one point. also i doubt kanye pays to be on radio. in the UK atleast, they pay u to play ur shit on radio

[Pirate Utopian]

Once again I'm not really even an IT fan. but saying kanye's auto-tuned bs is closer to raw 80's rap than IT is delusional.

Real hip hop is going out and working for a fan base. Not just paying to be on the radio
All hip-hop legends have been on the radio. Run DMC, Public Enemy, Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, etc. are no exception.

[Property Is Robbery]

All hip-hop legends have been on the radio. Run DMC, Public Enemy, Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, etc. are no exception.
Yeah but now they play none of these except maybe dre. If you look at the hip hop now on the radio and compare that to kanye it's a diss against him in it's self.

[Property Is Robbery]

shows how much 80s hip hop and kanye u listend to



lol im sure kanye did this at one point. also i doubt kanye pays to be on radio. in the UK atleast, they pay u to play ur shit on radio
I've listened to more 80's hip hop then you I bet. And I've listened to one whole kanye album and enough auto tuned idiocy for my whole life thank you.

[Pirate Utopian]

Yeah but now they play none of these except maybe dre. If you look at the hip hop now on the radio and compare that to kanye it's a diss against him in it's self.
What is the difference between now and then? What is the point the radio started to only play "fascist bourgeois pig lover sell-outs!"?

[apawllo]

Kanye likes getting paid and buying expensive shit, but I don't think there's a single song solely about that on MBDTF. In fact, one of the songs 'So Appalled' pretty much condemns his whole lifestyle as "fuckin' ridiclous".

You anti-Kanye lot are basically attacking the poor man based on your own misconceptions. Leave him alone.

Please correct the error in our ways so that we may worship hip-hop's newest godsend properly.

[Manic Impressive]

What is the difference between now and then? Then it was about the music and now it's about money


What is the point the radio started to only play "fascist bourgeois pig lover sell-outs!"?
As soon as the bourgeois realized there was serious money to be made in it.

[apawllo]

What is the difference between now and then? What is the point the radio started to only play "fascist bourgeois pig lover sell-outs!"?

In the US, you could start with 9/11. Acts like Rage Against the Machine were banned from the radio. I'm not sure if they're allowed to be played now. But, most stations are clear channel regardless, mostly playing top 40 artists. Those artists are more often than not on major labels; as mentioned they receive a good deal of promotion and so forth. Often times, labels will purchase their own singles to get artists on the radio, in fact.

[Manic Impressive]

Although I don't think it's fair to compare Immortal Technique and Kanye West. I mean ones a rapper the other is a pop star. A serious musician always stands up better against bubble gum pop like Kanye.

[Pirate Utopian]

Then it was about the music and now it's about money


As soon as the bourgeois realized there was serious money to be made in it.
:rolleyes: They made money off it in the 80s too.

"But those were indie capitalists!"

[Diello]

I find "Jesus Walks" very funny. "The way Kathy Lee needed Regis, that's the way I need Jesus."

And, of course, the "George Bush doesn't care about black people," thing. You have to admit that, if nothing else, it was more interesting to watch than the standard "The people of New Orleans need your help! For just a few dollars you can bring joy and hope to struggling families etc. etc. etc." pap.

[Manic Impressive]

:rolleyes: They made money off it in the 80s too.

"But those were indie capitalists!"
Of course they made money from it, I'm not against people earning a living but when huge corporations come in they do their best to create a monopoly. And that's pretty much what we have now a few huge labels who can inject huge amounts of capital into the "artists" and can dictate the content of the music. Plus I don't remember any of the Old school bringing out clothing ranges. Next you'll be telling me that Kanye West and Jay-Z are providing a valuable service by setting up clothing ranges and other such businesses as they supply people with jobs and provide people with really rad products. The capitalist love in this thread is sickening.

[FreeFocus]

You know, whatever. Haters gonna hate. I can't believe socialists are on here bashing a hip-hop artist who, whether you like his beats and lyrical content or not, has shown a lot of people that imperialism and capitalism ravage the world.

Yeah, we can debate about his talent, but I think "Dance with the Devil" is a masterpiece. "Point of No Return," "Dominant Species," and "Leaving the Past" are all awesome. I like his aggressive beats and lyrical content, they motivate me in the gym to get my reps in. Kanye is more creative but their motivations as artists are completely different.

These types of shit-flinging fests are part of the reason why I don't like comparing artists that much. Both have their merits and using one to discredit or demean the other is fucking dumb.

[bailey_187]

Although I don't think it's fair to compare Immortal Technique and Kanye West. I mean ones a rapper the other is a pop star. A serious musician always stands up better against bubble gum pop like Kanye.

lol at saying IT is a musician and Kanye not.

[bailey_187]

Also, all u "real hip hop" fans love people like Common and Talib Kweli right?

They seem to rate Kanye enough to feature him on songs. The heros of 'real hip hop' wouldnt show love to a "bubble gum ring tone rapper" would they?

[apawllo]

people might have a different opinion on this than me, but i think artists signed to kanye's label are pretty much just hipster type rap anymore. they tend to cater to that crowd anyway. mos def made a couple classic albums, as did common. i don't check for them anymore though. kid cudi, big sean, and those new guys are garbage imo. talib still makes legit albums though...

[Manic Impressive]

I can't believe socialists are on here bashing a hip-hop artist who, whether you like his beats and lyrical content or not, has shown a lot of people that imperialism and capitalism ravage the world.
I can't believe socialists on here are defending a capitalist who wears blood diamonds in his teeth while complaining about how they are extracted from up high in his ivory tower.
If some of you like his music and think he has talent that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, I happen to disagree. But to defend his character or his motives is just absurd.

[FreeFocus]

I can't believe socialists on here are defending a capitalist who wears blood diamonds in his teeth while complaining about how they are extracted from up high in his ivory tower.
If some of you like his music and think he has talent that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, I happen to disagree. But to defend his character or his motives is just absurd.

I think I acknowledged he has different motives from IT. He's definitely changed from his early work. And the diamond teeth are certainly questionable, but are they for sure blood diamonds? They probably are, and it's a dumb ass move anyway, but yeah. It's obvious that he is a capitalist and increasingly, his actions are reflecting that.

I like some of his music. If I defended his character earlier, I'll now say that he's either a hit or miss, mostly miss. It was important that he came out during Katrina against Bush, but if you recall they recently squashed that and he took back his comments. It was important to bring attention to the blood diamond trade, even if he's now behaving hypocritically and like an ass. I stand by these two claims; but he has become more hip-pop than hip-hop in recent years (granted I haven't listened to his latest album, which people have said good things about).

[bricolage]

Finally got round to listening to MBDTF. Really like it. Best thing he's done since College Dropout.

[Manic Impressive]

I think I acknowledged he has different motives from IT. He's definitely changed from his early work. And the diamond teeth are certainly questionable, but are they for sure blood diamonds? They probably are, and it's a dumb ass move anyway, but yeah. It's obvious that he is a capitalist and increasingly, his actions are reflecting that.

I like some of his music. If I defended his character earlier, I'll now say that he's either a hit or miss, mostly miss. It was important that he came out during Katrina against Bush, but if you recall they recently squashed that and he took back his comments. It was important to bring attention to the blood diamond trade, even if he's now behaving hypocritically and like an ass. I stand by these two claims; but he has become more hip-pop than hip-hop in recent years (granted I haven't listened to his latest album, which people have said good things about).
I wasn't specifically talking about you but really about the teenie boppers who are obsessed with their idol. The only reason I quoted you was because I object to you saying that socialists shouldn't bash a capitalist and that he speaks out against capitalism when he clearly is a capitalist.

p.s. I don't even really like IT I find him quite boring :)

[FreeFocus]

I wasn't specifically talking about you but really about the teenie boppers who are obsessed with their idol. The only reason I quoted you was because I object to you saying that socialists shouldn't bash a capitalist and that he speaks out against capitalism when he clearly is a capitalist.

p.s. I don't even really like IT I find him quite boring :)

How is IT clearly a capitalist? He grew up in the hood and had a rough upbringing, and he has the political understanding to criticize capitalism for forcing people to live rough lives like he's lived. He hasn't and won't sign on with corporate record labels and is an activist as well.

[Political_Chucky]

Well everyone knows this about IT


"It's crazy how you can go from being Joe Blow
To everybody on your dick, no homo" - Kanye west

how is that not homophobic?

Also nothing kanye has recorded is more political than IT. Why don't you listen to poverty of philosophy

uhjfg_5cMc8

In my opinion, that line is not homophobic what so EVER. Your taking it out of context. If I had another man or woman suck my dick, or threaten "suck my dick" as if I was to say fuck you, its a reference on how dominent you are compared to the other person. If you really break that line down, hes implying that he came from nothing, and now everyone sucks up to him(no pun intended). Just by him saying, "no homo," hes stating not in a sexual way. But what his actual views are on homosexuals I don't know, but you can't really justify him being homophobic from that.

Some people are sucha ninny about things.

[Property Is Robbery]

In my opinion, that line is not homophobic what so EVER. Your taking it out of context. If I had another man or woman suck my dick, or threaten "suck my dick" as if I was to say fuck you, its a reference on how dominent you are compared to the other person. If you really break that line down, hes implying that he came from nothing, and now everyone sucks up to him(no pun intended). Just by him saying, "no homo," hes stating not in a sexual way. But what his actual views are on homosexuals I don't know, but you can't really justify him being homophobic from that.

Some people are sucha ninny about things.
No homo is used in popular hip hop as a way to say don't possibly take my ignorant comment out of context because they're scared someone might. That's homophobic

[Manic Impressive]

How is IT clearly a capitalist? He grew up in the hood and had a rough upbringing, and he has the political understanding to criticize capitalism for forcing people to live rough lives like he's lived. He hasn't and won't sign on with corporate record labels and is an activist as well.
oh shit sorry man I thought you were talking about Kanye. My bad :blushing:

[Political_Chucky]

No homo is used in popular hip hop as a way to say don't possibly take my ignorant comment out of context because they're scared someone might. That's homophobic

So if I was to say these people are on my dick, in a non-literal way as he is saying, without the no homo, would that be considered homosexual if I were speaking of a male? I don't see how its considered homophobic. If he is not gay, hes not allowed to imply that he is straight without be considered homophobic?

[Property Is Robbery]

What I don't think a lot of you get, is it's not just about generic political hip hop. It's about underground independent life altering music, whether it has a message or not. But bubble gum pop as manic put it, is bullshit. He auto tunes his voice, wears blood diamonds, he's clearly sexist and I just don't get why everyone's sucking his dick ITT.

[Property Is Robbery]

So if I was to say these people are on my dick, in a non-literal way as he is saying, without the no homo, would that be considered homosexual if I were speaking of a male? I don't see how its considered homophobic. If he is not gay, hes not allowed to imply that he is straight without be considered homophobic?
That's not what I meant. But just the fact that he needs to clarify in that way, using that term that has had blatantly homophobic connotations in previous usages in music and popular media is unnecessary.

[Pirate Utopian]

What I don't think a lot of you get, is it's not just about generic political hip hop. It's about underground independent life altering music, whether it has a message or not.
Underground or mainstream matters fuck all. Mainstream just means it has a big audience. Music out the mainstream can be just as "life altering" (as if all music needs to be that, I like some songs by Dead Prez but they hardly "altered my life") as underground rap.

He auto tunes his voice
So?

I just don't get why everyone's sucking his dick ITT.
Pause. :rolleyes:

[ed miliband]

Bruv, if I wanted to go all elitist about "underground independent music" I'd tell you I've been buying The Wire (a magazine dedicated to "underground", experimental music) monthly since I was 14; that I've met and corresponded with a number of independent musicians; that I worked at Rough Trade, perhaps the most famous independent record store in the world, and Plan B Magazine, an independent music mag, for my year 10 work experience thingy.

You know, I picked up an apt term from my little brush with music journalism. "Rockism":



Interestingly, it is not entirely rockist to love rock, or to write about it. One may also care about R&B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%26B) or norteño (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norte%C3%B1o_%28music%29) or bubble gum pop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_gum_pop), but discuss them in a rockist way. The idea is built into the way people talk informally about what kinds of popular music interest them.


Rockism is often suspicious of the use of computer-based production systems. Rockism places value on the idea of the composer and performer as an auteur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auteur); authentic music is composed as a sincere form of self-expression, and usually performed by those who composed it. This is as opposed to the notion of manufactured "pop" music, created in assembly line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_line) fashion by teams of hired record producers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_producer) and technicians and performed by pop stars who have little input into the creative process, designed to appeal to a mass market and make profits rather than express authentic sentiments.


Rockism is a primitivist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitivism) ideology; a subtext of rockism is that, at one time in history, they "got music right", and that all subsequent innovations have compromised this purity. (This golden age is often placed in the 1960s or 1970s.) Critics of rockism assert that this vaunted "golden age" of pure, authentic music is a myth, and that popular music never was entirely free of the interference of commercialism, marketing and commodification. You can change a few of the words around and it fits your idea of hip hop perfectly.


You speak of Kanye's use of autotune as if it's the shockingly bad, horrible thing. Point is, Kanye doesn't use autotune because he can't sing, he uses it because it sound interesting; he's experimenting with the way vocals can be manipulated, just as Kraftwerk did, and just as Zapp (with Roger Troutman) did, and so on. Kanye might not get the autotune right, he might get it totally wrong, but he's attempting something different (and others have quickly followed suite).

You know why we're sucking Kanye's dick? Because he's made some brilliant music, and we aren't alone in thinking that. You can ignore all the critics and music journalists all you want but I don't think you can ignore the support Kanye gets from people like RZA and GZA, people who really know their hip hop and who aren't stuck in some backpacker nightmare.

[apawllo]

You speak of Kanye's use of autotune as if it's the shockingly bad, horrible thing. Point is, Kanye doesn't use autotune because he can't sing, he uses it because it sound interesting; he's experimenting with the way vocals can be manipulated, just as Kraftwerk did, and just as Zapp (with Roger Troutman) did, and so on. Kanye might not get the autotune right, he might get it totally wrong, but he's attempting something different (and others have quickly followed suite).

Actually he jumped on a pop music trend to sell records, which is nothing like what Roger Troutman did. And that album is shit. Congrats on being awesome at music though.

[Political_Chucky]

Actually he jumped on a pop music trend to sell records, which is nothing like what Roger Troutman did. And that album is shit. Congrats on being awesome at music though.

Pshhh your opinion. 808s was a god damn good album.