Everyone wants the Anarchists on their team.

[L.A.P.]

Last year in law class I noticed that one of these annoying anti-communist conservatives kids who just ***** about shit and think they're having actual political conversation had "anarchy" symbols all over his notebook. In a more recent occasion I had an argument with a Libertarian because he would go around calling himself an Anarchist and I said that it is misleading because he's an Anarcho-Capitalist not an Anarchist. He started going off saying how Anarcho-Capitalists are real Anarchists and "Bakuninists" are phonies because anarchism inherently supports a system like capitalism. Just look at the Neo-Fascists, they even want a piece of the Anarchist action (just look at national anarchism). This seems to be a political move everyone on the right is doing by saying "hey look at us we're cool, because we're cool with anarchy!". Well on behalf of all Communists and Socialists I think it is safe to say......fuck off! The Anarchists are our best friends and you can't have them!:cursing:

:lol:

[Widerstand]

I'm autonomous, fuck off you authoritarian nutjobs.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

Anarchy is just cool, always has been. It makes a great marketing strategy for anyone who wants to attract rebellious people.

Stick an :blackA: on it and it'll instantly look cool!

[B0LSHEVIK]

Just to be cynical....

1920s.........Ukraine...........Chekas Punitive Brigades............

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Anarcho-Capitalists don't have the sex appeal of real anarchists. They don't even shoplift.
There's just something about LIVING COMMUNISM that gives real anarchists the edge over the posers - makes us stand out.
Sure, random conservatives might doodle circle-As on their notebooks, but nobody will ever mistake them for the real deal.
They don't carry themselves like this.
They just don't know, y'know?

When I roll with my crew, people know what's up.

I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. I'm going to go make more coffee.

[L.A.P.]

Anarcho-Capitalists don't have the sex appeal of real anarchists. They don't even shoplift.
There's just something about LIVING COMMUNISM that gives real anarchists the edge over the posers - makes us stand out.
Sure, random conservatives might doodle circle-As on their notebooks, but nobody will ever mistake them for the real deal.
They don't carry themselves like this.
They just don't know, y'know?

When I roll with my crew, people know what's up.

I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. I'm going to go make more coffee.

That's god damn right.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

A lot of the problem is that people go off a misleading dictionary definition rather then an encyclopedic history and philosophy. I know a lot of conservatives/A-C's trying to justify their use of "anarchy" as a right-wing ideology simply because of the word's root in the Greek language ("without ruler" or "without law" or whatever) while completely ignoring the history of working-class movements and philosophy/ideology of the past 150 years.

Damn you, dictionaries.

[L.A.P.]

A lot of the problem is that people go off a misleading dictionary definition rather then an encyclopedic history and philosophy. I know a lot of conservatives/A-C's trying to justify their use of "anarchy" as a right-wing ideology simply because of the word's root in the Greek language ("without ruler" or "without law" or whatever) while completely ignoring the history of working-class movements and philosophy/ideology of the past 150 years.

Damn you, dictionaries.

That Libertarian used the same "without rulers" argument on me and you know what I said? CEO's and private owners are rulers, therefore you suck.

[WeAreReborn]

That Libertarian used the same "without rulers" argument on me and you know what I said? CEO's and private owners are rulers, therefore you suck.
Yeah, not to mention how private armies and private police would pop up and then a form of government would pop up. It is such a ridiculous and short sided philosophy it is crazy to think anyone can think it will end well. But you know some pan leftism is nice from the ever so present sectarian themes on this site.

[F9]

Theory?Why i am thinking of moving this to chit-chat?

In any way, i used to draw (A) 's all over my notebook when i was 12 or something and i had no clue what it meant other than "we break shit", but it didnt turned that bad in the end.

[L.A.P.]

Why i am thinking of moving this to chit-chat?
d.

Because I bribed you with rep.:D

[Magón]

Anarchists are like those guys who women want, and other men want to be.

As for this.... these kinds of people just give me a headache.:cursing:

[Jalapeno Enema]

Anarchists are like those guys who women want, and other men want to be.

As for this.... these kinds of people just give me a headache.:cursing:
I thought so too. . .until I drifted away from anarchy and started getting the ladies.

[Communist]

To Chit Chat, from Theory. Moved.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Anarchists are like those guys who women want, and other men want to be.

As for this.... these kinds of people just give me a headache.:cursing:

In my experience anarchists are like in junior high school, that kid who you want to ask, "Are you a boy are a girl?" but are too nervous, but think about them every time you masturbate anyway.

Four years later, you're pretty sure you know what their biological sex is, but you're pretty unsure about their gender, and then, one day, they invite you to quit school and hop a freight train to Montreal for the annual demo (riot) against police brutality.

In Montreal you take PCP for the first time, go to shoplift a cola to calm down, get stopped on yr way out of the store, flip out and cannibalize the security guard. The anarchist helps you sink the chewed remains into the St. Lawrence.

Later, at the orgy, you learn about Agamben, Bonano, and Os Cangeceros. Yr life is never the same. You get laid more. You set more cop cars on fire. Etc.

[Jalapeno Enema]

In my experience anarchists are like in junior high school, that kid who you want to ask, "Are you a boy are a girl?" but are too nervous, but think about them every time you masturbate anyway.

Four years later, you're pretty sure you know what their biological sex is, but you're pretty unsure about their gender, and then, one day, they invite you to quit school and hop a freight train to Montreal for the annual demo (riot) against police brutality.

In Montreal you take PCP for the first time, go to shoplift a cola to calm down, get stopped on yr way out of the store, flip out and cannibalize the security guard. The anarchist helps you sink the chewed remains into the St. Lawrence.

Later, at the orgy, you learn about Agamben, Bonano, and Os Cangeceros. Yr life is never the same. You get laid more. You set more cop cars on fire. Etc.
PCP is a hell of a drug

[Il Medico]

My anarchists bring more pigs to the yard, that's right, they riot better than yours!

[Aloysius]

I kinda switched teams. I was an anrchist first.
Now I'm awesome.

[Summerspeaker]

I wish had experienced some of this mythical anarchist popularity. Apart from legitimate comrades, the best reaction I ever manage is curiosity. Generally people just get uncomfortable and/or tell me to move to Somalia.

[Magón]

I thought so too. . .until I drifted away from anarchy and started getting the ladies.


In my experience anarchists are like in junior high school, that kid who you want to ask, "Are you a boy are a girl?" but are too nervous, but think about them every time you masturbate anyway.

Four years later, you're pretty sure you know what their biological sex is, but you're pretty unsure about their gender, and then, one day, they invite you to quit school and hop a freight train to Montreal for the annual demo (riot) against police brutality.

In Montreal you take PCP for the first time, go to shoplift a cola to calm down, get stopped on yr way out of the store, flip out and cannibalize the security guard. The anarchist helps you sink the chewed remains into the St. Lawrence.

Later, at the orgy, you learn about Agamben, Bonano, and Os Cangeceros. Yr life is never the same. You get laid more. You set more cop cars on fire. Etc.


I kinda switched teams. I was an anrchist first.
Now I'm awesome.

Haters be hatin'.

When we see cops, we don't run, we fight!

[Raúl Duke]

Anarcho-Capitalists don't have the sex appeal of real anarchists. They don't even shoplift.
There's just something about LIVING COMMUNISM that gives real anarchists the edge over the posers - makes us stand out.
Sure, random conservatives might doodle circle-As on their notebooks, but nobody will ever mistake them for the real deal.
They don't carry themselves like this.
They just don't know, y'know?

When I roll with my crew, people know what's up.

I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. I'm going to go make more coffee.


That's god damn right. fuck yea man


I kinda switched teams. I was an anrchist first.
Now I'm awesome.

yea, I'm in the awesome team too

[ZeroNowhere]

I've always loved watching the myriad ways in which anarcho-capitalists try to explain how contracts will be enforced in their ideal society. "Oh, well, there'll be a private contract enforcer... Yeah, they sign contracts too... Well, then there'll be private armies... Who also sign contracts... Um, private juries...? Wait, they sign contracts too."

And ultimately we have the Divine Covenant, no doubt.

[black magick hustla]

Anarcho-Capitalists don't have the sex appeal of real anarchists. They don't even shoplift.
There's just something about LIVING COMMUNISM that gives real anarchists the edge over the posers - makes us stand out.
Sure, random conservatives might doodle circle-As on their notebooks, but nobody will ever mistake them for the real deal.
They don't carry themselves like this.
They just don't know, y'know?

When I roll with my crew, people know what's up.

I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. I'm going to go make more coffee.
you cannot be "living communism". There is more about communism in an everyday man's life that loves his friends and family and drinks beer than the losers that squat and shoplift to make a political point.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

everyday man's life that loves his friends and family and drinks beer than the losers that squat and shoplift to make a political point.

Ah, the subject of communism, the bad caricature of the working class male.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe there are practical reasons to not spend money unnecessarily? That maybe there's something to be said for living communally? Also, that maybe the dichotomy you imagine between "everyday [people]" and us "losers" isn't so broad? I mean, of my roommates, I'm the least "working class", and I still have to get up and go to work every morning at 6AM. Maybe the "real" working class are heterosexuals with factory jobs who like sports?

[Os Cangaceiros]

Some things I'd want anarchists on my team for, others not so much.

Planning a 70's disco-themed party in an abandoned warehouse? That's a job for anarchists.

Getting out of the mire of low-paying shit jobs and unemployment that I'm in? Not sure if anarchists can help me here.

[black magick hustla]

Ah, the subject of communism, the bad caricature of the working class male.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe there are practical reasons to not spend money unnecessarily? That maybe there's something to be said for living communally? Also, that maybe the dichotomy you imagine between "everyday [people]" and us "losers" isn't so broad? I mean, of my roommates, I'm the least "working class", and I still have to get up and go to work every morning at 6AM. Maybe the "real" working class are heterosexuals with factory jobs who like sports?


some people join u thco ops and dupsterdive for practical reasons. others because they want to prove a point. nobody said anything about factory jobs or heterosexuals. the issue here is you think communism is a lifestyle, which is not, and there is more about communism in average folk who go on with their life than people who think they are challenging the logic of capital by living in a student co op.

[Widerstand]

some people join u thco ops and dupsterdive for practical reasons. others because they want to prove a point. nobody said anything about factory jobs or heterosexuals. the issue here is you think communism is a lifestyle, which is not, and there is more about communism in average folk who go on with their life than people who think they are challenging the logic of capital by living in a student co op.

But shouldn't people who enjoy living in a student co-op do so?

[Raúl Duke]

There is more about communism in an everyday man's life that loves his friends and family and drinks beer than the losers that squat and shoplift to make a political point.

perhaps you have a point

[Summerspeaker]

Yes, clearly acceptance of capitalist domination and participation in consumerism will bring about the revolution more quickly than squatting, stealing, and eating out of dumpsters.

[Jazzratt]

Yes, clearly acceptance of capitalist domination and participation in consumerism will bring about the revolution more quickly than squatting, stealing, and eating out of dumpsters. I love how the sentiment implicit in this is that squatting, stealing and eating out of dumpsters will bring about the revolution sooner than having a guaranteed source of safe food and decent housing like those horrible consumerist workers. If that's your revolution you can shove it.

[Widerstand]

I love how the sentiment implicit in this is that squatting, stealing and eating out of dumpsters will bring about the revolution sooner than having a guaranteed source of safe food and decent housing like those horrible consumerist workers. If that's your revolution you can shove it.

I love how the sentiment that implicit in this is that if you dumpster dive, steal or live in a squat you can't do anything else.

Really, can we just agree that people should be free to choose their place of residence and source of food?

[Jazzratt]

I love how the sentiment that implicit in this is that if you dumpster dive, steal or live in a squat you can't do anything else. The kind of people that make a deal of it or set it up as some sort of alternate lifestyle (rather than what it is, which is an often necessary and generally quite difficult way to live) tend not to. Plus I'm just reacting to the stupid bollocks some anarchists come out with that seems to suggest that distancing themselves from society (and by extension the working class) is a revolutionary rather than counterproductive act.


Really, can we just agree that people should be free to choose their place of residence and source of food? I do agree on that though. It would be immensly hypocritical of me not to, I've stayed in squats, know squatters and know people who have shoplifted or skip-dived in the past [I've, thankfully, never needed to do either].

[Tablo]

To be honest I have eaten dumpster food on occasions I've been short on cash. People throw away a lot of perfectly good stuff! But lifestylism is in no way going to bring revolution. To think that is just silly.

[ZeroNowhere]

But shouldn't people who enjoy living in a student co-op do so?That's not really relevant to what they were saying.

[Aloysius]

I once ate a bag of pop corn out of a dumpster.
It was actually really good.

[Jalapeno Enema]

I once ate a bag of pop corn out of a dumpster.
It was actually really good.must have been the medical waste.

[StalinFanboy]

I steal because I have to in order to survive. I don't really think it's that awesome or anything. it's mostly just stressful.

[Os Cangaceiros]

get a job hippy

[Tablo]

Damn hippies. Git a jerb!

[Os Cangaceiros]

derk a derb!

[Summerspeaker]

I love how the sentiment implicit in this is that squatting, stealing and eating out of dumpsters will bring about the revolution sooner than having a guaranteed source of safe food and decent housing like those horrible consumerist workers.

:lol: The point I was trying to make is that neither working obediently for the man nor living off of his discards threatens capitalism. We all do what we have to in order to get by, whether that's stocking shelves for Walmart, shopping at Walmart, stealing from Walmart, scavenging from a Walmart dumpster, or all of the above. None of these actions is revolutionary in itself but any can be associated with the cause under the proper circumstances.

[Pierre.Laporte]

Yeah, not to mention how private armies and private police would pop up and then a form of government would pop up. It is such a ridiculous and short sided philosophy it is crazy to think anyone can think it will end well. But you know some pan leftism is nice from the ever so present sectarian themes on this site.

The circular argument is that somehow taxes and regulation create monopolies and oligopolies, and create these almost immortal corporations and somehow in a truly free market they'd be fragile and inherently committed to the customer.

Try bringing up the period of laissez-faire economics in the United States, and how much inequality in wealth it created. They'll go "WELL, there was this ONE tariff on this, and this ONE tariff on that, so it wasn't a free market at all."

And somehow if you removed all that, civilians would unanimously rise up and do away with segregated business, mercenaries, and the like.

They'll just get hung up how there's never been a truly free market. I guess that' show most arguments work.

If you're real lucky an An-Cap will cite Somalia as a good example of how well Anarcho-Capitalism works. This establishes one thing at least, Anarcho-Capitalism is marginally better than a vicious civil war that killed almost a half million people :D

[Jazzratt]

:lol: The point I was trying to make is that neither working obediently for the man nor living off of his discards threatens capitalism. We all do what we have to in order to get by, whether that's stocking shelves for Walmart, shopping at Walmart, stealing from Walmart, scavenging from a Walmart dumpster, or all of the above. None of these actions is revolutionary in itself but any can be associated with the cause under the proper circumstances. Ah, sorry for misunderstanding then. I basically agree with you.

[maskerade]

8ScFU0UxKWA

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Arguably, there is a difference between individual practices of living on the margins of capital, and a praxis aimed at generalizing the rejection of everyday life as the reproduction of capital.
For example, stealing some nice cheese for a sandwich isn't a particularly relevant tactic in and of itself, but fifteen people shoplifting enough food to hold a community BBQ opens a space for broader community organizing. It also represents a tactic that is easy to reproduce, as it requires little specialized technical knowledge, and almost no capital (a BBQ, a few tables, etc.). Stealing a few photocopies of one's 'zine won't change the world, but securing access to free copies for a broad swath of radical projects can change the texture of an urban space (anarchist posters on every telephone pole!).
Similarly, squatting a hole to live in might not accomplish a lot, but squatting a social space is strategically relevant. The concrete experiments in freedom and communization that can be carried out in an occupied space can provide useful lessons for organizing and prefigure broader putting-into-practice of our idea (Lest, "We won! Now what?").
Further, these projects can explode into open conflict with the state: From the autonomen, to Ungdomshuset, to the Guelph Woodsquat, it's easier to go on the attack in defense of existing autonomous space than it is to fight for something more abstract.