Evil or victim?

[Homage To Catalonia]

Aileen Carol Wuornos


I have just watch the film about her, and she was a prostitute since the age of 13, her first "victim" had tied her up and was raping her when she killed him.

She had been abused by men clients and beaten and forced to perform sexual acts on police officers.

She was working class, lesbian, and had a hard time finding work outside of being a prostitute so after she killed the rapist, she started killing people who tried to pay her for sex.

Now rather than saying shes bad, isnt this whole issue because of patriachy and the hardship working class women face on a daily basis.

After sustained physical and sexual abuse, she finally fought back against patriachy?

A woman finally snapped, and, wrongly, killed guys who were not trying to hurt her, however shouldnt her violence against men be seen in context, a deformed form of violence against a violent oppressor?

[Quail]

I'm not sure who she is, but from what you've said it sounds like she went through a hell of a lot of trauma. I'm not defending what she did, but I can understand why she might have been driven to doing it.

I'm not sure whether I would say she was fighting back against patriarchy exactly, but I can see how patriarchy contributed to her problems and what she did. Patriarchy and capitalism are kind of tied together, and I would imagine that both were contributing factors to her becoming a prostitute, although the abuse is more likely to be a product of patriarchy.

It's really sad that women like her aren't able to get out of their position and get the help that could have prevented both the abuse and the murders.

[Pirate Utopian]

Isnt that the woman from the movie Monster?

[Manic Impressive]

I watched a documentary about her and I've seen the film "monster" as well, the documentary is much better. She killed 7 guys at least one the first did attack her and she defended herself. Did she commit a crime? yes should she have been executed? absolutely not.

[Os Cangaceiros]

She was a mentally disturbed predator. She had a hard life, but that's not an excuse to execute anyone who picks you up by the side of the road.

[MarxistRevolution]

She did have a rough time but it still isn't an excuse for murder. Maybe the first time was self defense but the others weren't. However I'm against the death penalty so I think killing her was just state sanctioned murder.

[Homage To Catalonia]

Yeah, I meant she became convinced men were all trying to rape her, so in her eyes, all men who picked her up were rapists.

I also found out she was raped from the age of 12 by her dads best friend, when she told him, he did not believe her, then when he did find out, he beat her for it.

Being raped for years, and not being believed at 8 years old would make anyone hate men.

[Obs]

Am I the only one having trouble feeling sorry for men who buy sex from prostitutes?

[Homage To Catalonia]

Depends Obs, if they are preying on the weakest and poorest of the prostitute classes, ie 4 dollars for a blowjob type, then yeah, they are fucked up people.

[Obs]

But if they're rich and can afford an expensive escort imported from the third world, they're all okay. Swell.

People who use prostitutes are fair game. While one may question Wuornos' reasons, I can't see why you'd criticise her actions.

[ZeroNowhere]

But if they're rich and can afford an expensive escort imported from the third world, they're all okay. Swell.

People who use prostitutes are fair game. While one may question Wuornos' reasons, I can't see why you'd criticise her actions.
If you buy a prostitute, you deserve to die? That seems to go even further than lex talionis.

[Homage To Catalonia]

No, if you pay a woman for sex, and pay her well, and she is doing well from it, which most women are not, im talking about escorts, many of whom are white middle class women who do it for the money, some of them earn more in a year, my mum does at her job working 5 years.

Theres a difference between escorts and prostitutes, in the fact, one is a well paid proffesional, the other is poor, used and often addicted to drugs, and is a wage slave to an illegitimate capitalist, ie a pimp.

BTW, alot of pimps are not evil, huey newton had a brief stint as a pimp.

[Robocommie]

If you buy a prostitute, you deserve to die? That seems to go even further than lex talionis.

Yeah, it's pretty rough man. Without getting into a debate on the ethics of prostitution, I don't think you can really make a statement about it being fair game to murder people for doing it. I mean, how long before you're justifying killing drug addicts, car thieves, and pickpockets?

[Jazzratt]

If you buy a prostitute, you deserve to die? That seems to go even further than lex talionis.


Yeah, it's pretty rough man. Without getting into a debate on the ethics of prostitution, I don't think you can really make a statement about it being fair game to murder people for doing it. I mean, how long before you're justifying killing drug addicts, car thieves, and pickpockets?

These points really deserve reinforcing. I don't see the justice in murdering johns. Even if it can be argued that they're unforgiveably morally reprehensible (which I do not think is the case) it is unreasonable to then demand their deaths or condone people murdering them without even the sembalence of a just system.

[Manic Impressive]

This is the documentary I remember being quite good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQwYy03AXmU&has_verified=1

and the whole movie is on youtube so if anyone hasn't seen it I recommend watching it

[Manic Impressive]

Fuck just re-watched that documentary it's fucking insane she was surrounded by blood sucking leeches trying to make money from her crimes and her execution and the cops were all cutting movie deals along with the main witness this is a massive miscarriage of justice. Funny thing is she seems to be the only sane person in the fucking film :mad:

[Spawn of Stalin]

Yes Nick Broomfield's film is excellent, he made a very good follow up called The Life and Death of a Serial Killer, I would recommend it to anyone.