Who tarnishes communism

[raisingfists1234]

I have a theory that people dont like communism becuz of some curroptive leaders...what are you thought who would some of those leaders be.

[Hegemonicretribution]

You mean obvious like Stalin, Pol Pot etc? Or the likes of U.S. presidents that brain wash the people into hating the mention of the word communism?

[ComradeJunichi]

Western propaganda and media.

[YKTMX]

Why stir up old graves? It'll only upset RAF and Cassius. Leave it be, Stalin was a great guy, it's all the naughty media's fault.

[Anarchist Freedom]

yah i agree its the western media that ruins communism people like mcarthy hitler lincoln rockwell people like bush people like stalin who lied oh yes and that lieing son of a ***** pol pot! he is a fuck face!

[crazy comie]

it is due to econimsts always saying its inpossibel.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2003, 04:58 AM
I have a theory that people dont like communism becuz of some curroptive leaders...what are you thought who would some of those leaders be.
ALL of the leaders who claimed to be 'communist'.

[ONE]

People associate Communism with totalitarianism.

[Fidelbrand]

What tarnishes communism?

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The kind of greed & selfishness that is yield through one word ------- "Capitalism"! :angry:

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Communism has a bad rep in the western world because of propaganda in the mass media and red-baiting politicians. Bastards like Stalin and Pol Pot calling themselves commies appear to prove them right. Maybe that is why the U.S. supported Pol Pot, at least after he was removed from power...

[crazy comie]

don't forget to put mao on your list of pepole given communism a bad reputation.

[elijahcraig]

Communism is tarnished by Capitalist Pigs. Period. Stalin, Mao, Gonzalo, etc. They are all great men and leaders. No wonder the Capitalists reacted so harshly, they were faced with great leaders, enemies.

[Anarchist Freedom]

i agree i feel that the only true communist were really che and fidel because they were so distant from the rest of the so called communist countries so they really kinda went by what was right not by what they wanted they were for the workers you see Pol Pot was fuckin NUTZ he killed many of his people in interrigation were they wer forced to sit in there only filthy waste and body by products without food or water and no sleep and they couldnt move and about 99% of all people killed were innocent and when Pol Pot was interveiwd inside his kmer rughe strong hold in the jungle he was making stupid remarks trying to take him self away from the truth of he did quote un quoute"you people always asking theses questions you sound like a nagging teenage girl" and he wasnt communist because isnt communism major hopes to build industry and well Pol Pot sent all of the people of the capital of cambodia into the aguricultural areas were they were forced to do farm work! you couldnt eat and you were food starved as the capital was empty except for soldiers and greedy politicans moves onto stalin ok well i may not know much about stalin but well it is said that a very well known doctor diagnosed him with paranoia and things all the like he killed the doctors and also stalin lead a very troubled life i have heard and it is said that he was close with his mother and well hitler was the same childhood wise in comparison to stalin in a way hitler killed his doctor cause he was diagnosed with paranoia and parkensens diseas (un-controalabble shaking) and also that stalin hoped to one day rule the world with HITLER! ahhhhhhh that bastard stalin had hopes of ruling the world with hitler it is not right! you see there has been maybe 2 or 4 leaders in communism who havent tarnised the name but you see the american media says that ohh that communism is BAD is evil they control people dont let it happend so we wont open up our embargo with cuba so then cuba wold become possibly better and well yah


People are afraid of communism not for what it is but for what it can and will be some day !

see you in school raisingfist1234~!

:che:

[Don't Change Your Name]

When people hears the word Communism, they think: Totalitarianism (as ONE said), dictatorship, abolition of human rights, poverty, unreachable utopia, strict morality, and many more simmilar things.
In a simmilar way, when people hears the word Anarchism, they think: disorder, chaos, bombs, crimes, rebeldy, dissapearence of civilization, and such things.

Now, it is up to us to change that.

[elijahcraig]

onto stalin ok well i may not know much about stalin but well it is said that a very well known doctor diagnosed him with paranoia and things all the like he killed the doctors

Really? You need some sort of evidence to support this rant.


and also stalin lead a very troubled life i have heard and it is said that he was close with his mother and well hitler was the same childhood wise in comparison to stalin in a way hitler killed his doctor cause he was diagnosed with paranoia and parkensens diseas (un-controalabble shaking)

What does Hitler have to do with Stalin? Troubled life? If getting shot at and exiled is considered "hard", then yes. This is just nonsense the hitler stalin connection. You sound like a Capitalist.


and also that stalin hoped to one day rule the world with HITLER! ahhhhhhh that bastard stalin had hopes of ruling the world with hitler it is not right!

Wtf is this? He smashed Hitler's forces. Completely. He called Hitler in a speech, a "Imperialist" outright. And called for unity against him.


you see there has been maybe 2 or 4 leaders in communism who havent tarnised the name but you see the american media says that ohh that communism is BAD is evil they control people dont let it happend so we wont open up our embargo with cuba so then cuba wold become possibly better and well yah

Che was a Stalinist, that means he was supportive of Stalin, not against him as you assert. Stop this rubbish. Che read Stalin as he read Freud, Sartre, Marx, and Lenin in his growing up years.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

When people hears the word Communism, they think: Totalitarianism (as ONE said), dictatorship, abolition of human rights, poverty, unreachable utopia, strict morality, and many more simmilar things.
In a simmilar way, when people hears the word Anarchism, they think: disorder, chaos, bombs, crimes, rebeldy, dissapearence of civilization, and such things.

Now, it is up to us to change that.

people who think this lack an education, are ignorant, are narrow-minded, and deserve to rot in the pits of mediocrity and vulagrity of capitalism

[Anarchist Freedom]

ok ejiah you hopefully know that hitler and russia had signed a non agreesion pact during the time leading up tp WW2 and you see stalin wanted to rule the world with hitler one day but then hitler launched operation barborossa! and attacked stalin and soo stalin became obssesed with killing hitler that is why russia got to berlin first because staling wanted to take out hitler no matter the cost and also for the nazi intelligence

which is quite astounding if i might add eijah i dont diagree with you about what stalin said its just im saying something my sources are the history channel watch it at night man crazy shit on WW2 good stuff but yah also
Che was a Stalinist, that means he was supportive of Stalin, not against him as you assert. Stop this rubbish. Che read Stalin as he read Freud, Sartre, Marx, and Lenin in his growing up years.

Listen eijah if i can remeber correctly che insulted russia for not being communist! just because your stalinist doesnt mean you can bend a truth to something you like also my sources for my aregument are the history channel and the El che documentary che also bult up a bad reputation with the other communist countries for his belief!



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[Sovietski Soyuz]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 07:53 PM
ok ejiah you hopefully know that hitler and russia had signed a non agreesion pact during the time leading up tp WW2 and you see stalin wanted to rule the world with hitler one day but then hitler launched operation barborossa! and attacked stalin and soo stalin became obssesed with killing hitler that is why russia got to berlin first because staling wanted to take out hitler no matter the cost and also for the nazi intelligence

While I find the non-agression pact somewhat revolting, you must understand that it was nessecary. Without it, the CCCP probably would have been crushed. There is a thread about this at ISF, if you are a member there.


listen eijah if i can remeber correctly che insulted russia for not being communist! just because your stalinist doesnt mean you can bend a truth to something you like also my sources for my aregument are the history channel and the El che documentary che also bult up a bad reputation with the other communist countries for his belief!

I believe Che insulted Khruschev's USSR.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Originally posted by Sovietski [email protected] 4 2003, 03:02 PM
While I find the non-agression pact somewhat revolting, you must understand that it was nessecary. Without it, the CCCP probably would have been crushed.
If Stalin hadn't killed so many Soviet military leaders, the USSR would never have had to make that bullshit pact with Hitler in the first place. The Red Army under Trotsky overcame tremendous odds to defend the USSR after the revolution in 1918. With that military leadership and Soviet support for proletarian revolution in Germany, Hitler may never have had the chance to become as infamous as he did.

[Anarchist Freedom]

marxist in nebraska i agree with you big time i might say the whole non agression pact was nothing more than a trick by the axis powers i wish stalin would have crushed hITLER with his bair hands


score one stalin score:0 hitler



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[The Feral Underclass]

It is better to have loved and lost. Than never loved at all.

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by Libertarian [email protected] 6 2003, 07:36 AM
It is better to have loved and lost. Than never loved at all.
Interesting. Here's a question for people. What if a revolution happened, that even though it was built with the best of intentions, you knew would degenerate into a dictatorship which would totally distort the original revolutions values, would you still support the original revolution?

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Originally posted by YouKnowTheyMurderedX+Oct 16 2003, 03:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (YouKnowTheyMurderedX @ Oct 16 2003, 03:02 PM)
Libertarian [email protected] 6 2003, 07:36 AM
It is better to have loved and lost. Than never loved at all.
Interesting. Here&#39;s a question for people. What if a revolution happened, that even though it was built with the best of intentions, you knew would degenerate into a dictatorship which would totally distort the original revolutions values, would you still support the original revolution? [/b]
It would be fairly impossible to know beforehand, would it not? You have to make the revolution, and defend it until you drop. If it fails, maybe the workers will learn lessons and be successful in the next revolution.

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by Marxist in Nebraska+Oct 16 2003, 08:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Marxist in Nebraska @ Oct 16 2003, 08:25 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 03:02 PM

Libertarian [email protected] 6 2003, 07:36 AM
It is better to have loved and lost. Than never loved at all.
Interesting. Here&#39;s a question for people. What if a revolution happened, that even though it was built with the best of intentions, you knew would degenerate into a dictatorship which would totally distort the original revolutions values, would you still support the original revolution?
It would be fairly impossible to know beforehand, would it not? [/b]
Yes, but that is the point of the question. Would you support a revolution that gave hope to people and inspired people even if you know that the revolution itself would degenerate. It is purely hypothetical obviously.

[marxstudent]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2003, 10:50 PM
People associate Communism with totalitarianism.
Yeah Mao is one of them. Most Chinese people in America hate him.

[kylie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 04:49 AM

When people hears the word Communism, they think: Totalitarianism (as ONE said), dictatorship, abolition of human rights, poverty, unreachable utopia, strict morality, and many more simmilar things.
In a simmilar way, when people hears the word Anarchism, they think: disorder, chaos, bombs, crimes, rebeldy, dissapearence of civilization, and such things.

Now, it is up to us to change that.

people who think this lack an education, are ignorant, are narrow-minded, and deserve to rot in the pits of mediocrity and vulagrity of capitalism
The majority of people in Europe and North America at least think like this. It&#39;s due to the capitalist conditioning imposed on a person throughout their lives, via the media, education, how they are brought up, etc. Are you saying that you have always been Marxist? I doubt it, unless your parents are. How is it you expect us to escape from capitalism then? Because if the majority of people &#39;deserve to rot in pits of mediocriity and vulgarity&#39;, popular support will never be achieved.
It is of no fault of the average worker that they have distorted ideas of what Communism and Anarchism mean.

[suffianr]

The average Joe, the silent majority etc. would probably have no interest whatsoever in the mechanics of Communism or Anarchism, in the sense that they would not be inclined to pursue theories to "scholarly" lengths, rather, they would probably go with anything that works and is seen as better than what they have to deal with now.

The average dude will be busy dealing with his own problems to entertain any notions of learning all there is to know about a "ruling" ideology, that is, only all that concerns himself and other people he depends on. It&#39;s not capitalist conditioning, it&#39;s how a lot of people are out there. If an ideology isn&#39;t "practical" or is too much of a hassle to get the hang of, they won&#39;t buy it. This is where perhaps "reductionism" would help, as proposed by one of our comrades in another forum.

It is the job of the reovlutionaries to educate and inculcate ideology into the next generation...into the children and their children and so on. That, and perhaps only that, will sustain the revolutionary ideals.

[marxstudent]

The fact that communism can be totalitarian so easily too.

[crazy comie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2003, 07:16 PM
The fact that communism can be totalitarian so easily too.
it isn&#39;t communism if it is totolitarian.